Wow.
How underwhelming was that?
I think this has already sunk beneath the media waves.
It’s good to see the Greens have at least read The Daily Blog...
Shaw, delivering the party’s State of the Planet address in Auckland alongside co-leader Marama Davidson, warned those in attendance that a National/Act Government would be the “most reactionary, race-baiting, right-wing government” in decades.
…that’s right, James. TDB has been pointing this out for sometime and have asked repeatedly for your Woke Green Activists to stop providing ammunition for ACT because they will implement the most extreme conflict policies ever.
So you know, how bout your middle class activists stop providing David Seymour ammunition?
Like TDB has been asking for 5 years now.
Is it credible for James Shaw to criticise Labour when he is the Climate Change Minister?
Is it credible for Marama Davidson to criticise welfare reform when she is the Minister for Homelessness?
Not really eh?
The Greens are angry.
So what?
This was always the inevitable end point of taking those vacant Ministerships in the first place.
James and Marama provided Labour with political camouflage by appointing them Ministers outside parliament.
Climate Change and Homelessness is bad?
Well who are the Ministers?
Oh, James and Marama.
See, who cares if they are angry, they are responsible!
The Greens have gained sweet fuck all and have nothing to show for the last 3 years!
The strategy I argued the Greens needed to take in 2020 was to demand 5 bottom lines for the Ministerships or refuse to join the Government and threaten Jacinda with 3 years of attacking them from the Left.
Instead they took the Ministerships with no power and are in the exact powerless position I were warned they would end up in.
So what needs to be done now?
The Greens have to wake up and became far more tactical and strategic.
They should immediately call for a Green Party/Māori Party Election Hui and discuss an agreement between the two Parties to co-operate and present Labour with a united front of 10 bottom lines the Greens and Māori Party would demand in return for supporting Supply and Confidence.
These 10 bottom lines have to be policy within the first 100 days of a new Government so that voters knew these changes and the relief they would bring are worthy of their belief and support after 6 years of Labour providing little.
These 10 bottom lines would need to be Broadchurch Economic Justice, not radical identity politics dogma or it will become an immediate weapon used by the right to frighten the middle.
The 10 bottom lines have to have immediate material impact.
- Nationalise Early Childcare – make a free public option.
- 30 000 New State House Builds
- Ministry of green Works
- Free Dental
- Free Public Transport
- 30% State Supermarket entity
- Universal Free School Lunches and Breakfasts
- GST off food
- Wealth Tax & Financial Transaction Tax
- Implementation of all WEAG welfare reforms
This 10 point bottom line agreement between Greens and Māori Party would see them as a united front in negotiations with Labour so that even if Labour only needed one of them to make the 51% majority, Labour would have to negotiate with both of them without undermining either.
The Greens being angry is all well and good, but they have shown time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time agin that they aren’t very good at the strategy and tactics side of politics.
There is an opportunity here for the Greens alongside the Māori Party to put forward a platform of policy that would make a material difference within 100 days of election and that’s what our voters and supporters need.
Darth Potter is going to be as bland as possible to win the election, and that’s fine because the possibility of a National/ACT Government is terrifying, so the real progress is going to have to be done by the Greens and the Māori Party.
A 10 point bottom line list that most Kiwis would economically support opens up a far larger voting base for both parties to draw from.
There is still time for the Green Fox to jump over the Lazy Red Hog.
The last 6 weeks of extreme weather have highlighted how meaningless being carbon neutral by 2050 really is.
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I’m voting ACT instead of the Greens this time. Thanks all those on the Left who’ve encouraged this decision.
Why? Don’t you want workers to get payrises or sick leave? Dont you want free healthcare or state housing. ACT want to impose US style health care and slash wages to the bone.
I am doing the same no comment
So you oppose welfare and public services?
No they don’t. Neither does ACT.
Yes they do. ACT and the above hate high wages, worker protections and public services.
Act wants to give workers tax cuts.
Anyway there is no geniune alternative with the exception of the Workers Now party who I support and will likely give my candidate vote to.
Act will only cut the bloated bureacrats. I am all for that.
At the moment, democracy and freedom of speach are more important to me than any other policies. If we don’t have that we have nothing
Tax cuts are less than wage increases. Also they will come at the expense of health and education services. In the 1990’s , National closed down scores of hospitals to pay for tax cuts. Do you really want that to happen again. Also ACT will get rid of sick leave and paid holidays. How edgy you are, thinking that the right to call people ni**gers and sodomites is more important than a welfare system, a decent wage and free healthcare.
Yes you are right. Worker should paid the same as the business owners. In fact workers should get paid 300,000 per annum while the business owners stump up the security and the cashflow to keep it alive. If the business fails, workers should be immune. Further, welfare should start at $100,000 for each person on welfare. Public service should be increased to say 3 million state employees, each on 250K or more. There you go. Sorted. Utopia. Taxes will easily cover it.
Actually I don’t really care anymore. I’m now just happy to protect what is mine, and if the rest go down in a fire of their own making, so be it. Enjoy the harvest you have sown.
We have high wages here? I’m guessing this was sarcasm?
Well see certainly wont if ACT had their way. They want an across the board freeze in the MW, which means no pay rises for the rest of us either.
Yeh and all the minimum wage increases have worked just a treat for minimum wage earners haven’t they!
They’re driving up inflation and food costs at a rate far greater than than minimum wage.
The problem is the Greens and Robo are more interested in virtue signalling than achieving or delivering.
Listening to Shaw on the radio with Hoskins and to me the answer to one of the Greens problems is pretty simple.
Stop playing the petulant child with National. You may not like them or agree with them in much.
But they are without doubt moving towards a greener position. If you were alongside them there are two obvious benefits.
1. You would exert absolutely massive leverage over Labour (see Winston) and you’d no longer be Labours whipping boy. The laughing stock of parliament.
2. Should the Nact coalition need a Green partnership to take power, again massive leverage, means power; results.
National do not support clean air and water legislation. That should be a basic principle of any Green party. I do think allowing farmers to put what they want in the river is good environmental policy. Might be OK in Somalia or India but not here.
+1
Oh go on throw your toys out of the cot. Result, you will have fewer toys, or none, and down where they lie it’s covered with slime and if they ever get handed back to you they will be so grimy and stained that you won’t want them but will be left only with memories of happier times. If you hold onto what you have and eventually get some better ones, keep asking, then your old ones can go to people worse off than you. And many would be grateful, so you can do some good from not freaking out.
I have plenty of toys (and I’m certainly not throwing them out of any cots), however if Labour stay in Government, then I will be losing rights I hold dear. This Government needs to be gone and the sooner, the better.
What about your right to sick leave or a decent wage? I’ll tell u right now, ACT will take away every single worker protection.
That’s not true millsy.
I guess you better start your own business and then you do as you please as you are no longer a worker. Fixed.
You are correct RB but problem is millsy doesn’t know how to start let alone run a business.
He has to rely on others to provide for him.
Er, no they won’t. Way too much fear mongering, they won’t be putting you in a concentration camp either. Don’t worry, you’ll be fine, it will all be OK.
If a tree falls down in a forest but no one’s around to hear it, did it even happen? It would be like that for any speech by the Greens.
“A government for the wealthy few at the expense of many, not just in this generation but also those to come, a government of climate inaction and delay.”
That’s what we have now, and that’s what we’ll have whoever wins, so I have no idea what he’s asking of the voting public.
If the Greens just focused Green issues, for example, marine reserves, National Parks formations, they (Greens) would be more respected, and supported…
Yes I agree nathan that’s where the Greens should put their emphasis rather than silly sarcastic,derogatory remarks.
This is the problem and I mean THE problem.
MMP was the creation of an act of terror and I don’t mean that in the usual sense. When it became clear that the internet would be a thing of immense omni-power, the right wing fell into a state of terror lest they be found out to have been pirating and exploiting farmers since the late 1880’s BECAUSE…. farmers were a vulnerable sitting duck with its bill shoved easily against an exploitative grind stone, as it still is today. The terror I write of is the fact that, that might become common knowledge which might cause a terrible revolution against our farmer’s abusers, aka the dreaded pot bellied, russet cheeked, blue check shirt with the up-turned collar wearing natzo’s and their cockie confederates planted within Federated Farmers and so called ‘producer boards’. That, dear TDB’er’s is why MMP has risen to infamy. A desperate attempt to generally diffuse, to distract, to bore, to psychologically immobilise and to stupefy. And it worked and thus, therefore and etc is why The Green Party. Think of The Green Party as a mechanism within a neoliberal *Idiocracy who’s mandate’s to maintain a crooked status quo which is to keep the lid screwed tightly down on the truth behind our suppressed and gagged agricultural primary industry simply to protect the vast fortunes of a select few who’ve built empires on stolen farmer money.
Aye boys? How’s being the nine multi-billionaires working out for ya? Sorry, how’d you gather about you all that money again? Quite the hourly rate. Not a bad salary. What kind of perks and bonuses are you thieving off us? What does HSBC bankster jimmy shaw really know? What might a royal commission of inquiry dig up? How about a nice troupe of independent forensic accountants and a big jar of vaseline to go up you fuckers like rats up drain pipes?
Why would anyone believe the Greens will do anything but accept whatever Labour offers them?
I only knew about this speech when listening to a snippet in the news. James Shaw delivered with the passion of a dead fish. That the problem they have…a dead fish and Marama with that piss-take grin of hers: look, I can collect a fat salary by doing fuck all. Both need to go…can’t they be fired by the members?
I only knew about this speech when listening to a snippet in the news. James Shaw delivered with the passion of a dead fish. That the problem they have…a dead fish and Marama with that piss-take grin of hers: look, I can collect a fat salary by doing fuck all. Both need to go…can’t they be fired by the members?
Has anyone from the Green Party put forward a proposal that the Forestry Industry be charged with some/all of the clean u associated with Slash in the event of extreme weather and climate change?
Oh, they gave a speech.
They stopped the slash burn to save the planet.
I had to laugh at the eco-activists who glued themselves to a tanker of oil. They were like, “stop oil” or whatever their slogan is, but the tanker contained cooking oil.
So Daddy picked them up in his SUV and drove them home via the Mcdonalds drive through.
Marama is doing a good as Minister of Homelessness as the number increases each day and after the cyclone areas are completely neglected and the local Maree are forced to step in.
The gweens should go quietly into the woods…
“Shaw, delivering the party’s State of the Planet address in Auckland alongside co-leader Marama Davidson, warned those in attendance that a National/Act Government would be the “most reactionary, race-baiting, right-wing government” in decades.”
Yeah, nah. The current Govt have set the threshold high.
Labour needs the greens just as National needs Act. Labour and Nats are happy for their co partners to score a few points against their masters because they need both smaller parties to get over the party threshold. The problem the Greens have is that the planet is already changing and most people realise that. Most people want the same things as the greens but realise our fossil fuel and pollution addiction is with us until we can sort it out in a way that won’t bankrupt us. IMO there is no need for the greens. Especially these greens.
Lol. BMW Jimmy the cuckold. Is there a larger waste of space in parliament. It’s a rhetorical question – it is not.
Rhetorical indeed.
“Is there a larger waste of space in parliament?”
Tough call Frank – it’s a VERY competitive field.
I listened to an interview with Marama on Newstalk. Yes it was Newstalk, I know I know, but Tim Roxborough was very fair, very neutral, asking her 20 odd easy questions she could have used to make a very compelling case. Well it was diabolical. Every second word was…”if you vote for the Green Party…you must vote for the Green Party.” The thing she did not ever mention is why we should really vote for the Green Party. They have to get rid of her quick! She is waste of good taxpayer money. She is taking the piss.
Just as Act will not be able to get National to be their cypher, neither will the Greens be able to get Labour to be theirs.
Because neither of the two major parties support partners can go anywhere else, they don’t have the power to demand bottom lines that would effectively destroy the major party.
Obviously the minor parties will get something, in fact something quite substantial, good faith coalition negotiations demand that. However, neither major party is radical, even if their support parties are. Given the major parties are likely to be 80% of the government, they will also get 80% of the policies. More particularly they will dictate the feel and look of the government.
In my view it is on this issue that the election will be decided. Which of the two alternative governments looks the most risky? Will the major party in each of the alternatives look like they will simply roll over to their coalition partners?
I expect that the major media outlets will push the two leaders very hard on this issue. Their answers, and the extent which they are believable, will be decisive.
#11 FULL funding of medications and implementations of the pharmac review.
None of the other 10 items mean shit if you do not have your health or access to medications.
Unfortunately as over the past 30 years, the ineffectual, identity-politics infected Greens remain the only left wing option available for the left-wing leaning vote.
you could vote Workers Party, Legalise Aotearoa just to name two. Currently there is not one single reason to vote for this lot of bloated do nothings. Fwiw, all of them have made enough money of the tax payer to be comfy for a while, and then they can all try to get a job in private industry. LOL.
It’s also a sign of desperation when Shaw accuses the ACT party of race-baiting. This is a fascinating claim when bearing in mind that ACT has a higher proportion of Maori MPs than the Greens.
I cannot wait until the Greens can have Efeso Collins as their speech maker and orator, he could liquidate Luxon and squash Seymour; with only his gentle voice, honest words and impeccable education!
Well, until he was cancelled for something he said whilst at university…
Matthew
Hahahahahaha I can’t wait for Morgan Freeman to join the Greens as speech maker and orator. That gentle educated voice will obliterate Luxon and squash Seymour. Or…hey hang on, maybe, Damien Grant the liquidator…what a perfect voice to liquidate Luxon. Mate, they already have ‘Marama The Smile’ with her ever so soothing voice of nothingness. What could Collins possibly add except more nothingness.
” When working with Labour, the Greens need to treat them as hostile, rather than as good-faith partners, and they need to design any future governing arrangement to suit. ”
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-greens-labour-and-coalition.html
Green Fans
I browsed the Green children policy in relation to poor little Moana – Martyn knows this story all too well – and his beloved Greens have said fuck about this horrible case handled in the most shocking way by OT. Greens policy: “Children should be prioritised in all relevant government actions.” Well, I don’t think anyone should want to work with these Greens. Because if they really care, and they don’t, they would been all over this case.