Checking The Left: The Dreadful Logic Of Fascism.

1. What Left?

   • Hah-hah! RB, I sympathise with your scorn for what passes as the Left in 2023. Certainly, the traditional, class-based, trade union-fortified, Labour Party-led Left of 1938 is no longer in evidence.

     But it is what constitutes the Left in the judgement of the Right that matters – at least in terms of this argument. And, in those terms, the identity-politics-led Left of the 2020s is seen by the Right as extremely powerful, and in urgent need of being suppressed.

     If you want a real-time example of the process I am describing in this post, just take a look at what’s happening in the US state of Florida.

     • I think it is the other way around Chris. The woke left are the authoritarians here. Shutting down free speech, smearing their opponents as alt right, tras phones etc.

       Aside from being an evangelical Christian, what is racist about Julian B? It’s a genuine question.

       Polls show the majority of NZders are against cogovernance. Julian is holding public meetings. What else is he saying that makes him a fascist? Genuine question

       • This is what he is saying.
         This guy wants to start a race war

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7ULqmwn-I

         • Hi Geoff, thanks for the link. Because I am interested in genuine debate I watched the first 15 minutes or so, up to the bit where he is talking about two separate justice systems. What has he said in this 15 minutes is ncorrect?

         • Hi, I didn’t watch the whol vid, yet.
           Did you?
           Could you quote or give a time during the vid where he promotes a race war?
           Thanks.

         • anker and Anaru.

           Do you think Maori and their supporters are going to sit down and accept the crap he is spouting that is nothing short of disinformation.

           Shame you cant post photos in replies because Maori sure haVe a lot to shut this guy and his alt right supporters down.

           Orewa is just the start.

           I suggest you watch the whole video.

           Being of his generation he is trying tyo bring back the 1950s and 60s where Maori were completely dominated by white Pakeha rule.

           The fact is the TOW guaranteed them co governance no matter what Julian and his hobsons pledge mates and white supremacists say.

           So sorry to julian and his ilk those days are gone where white is right and our way or the highway rules.

           Just in his first few meetings he has stirred up ordinary Maori and their supporters .

           So stand by for fireworks because this has only just got started.

           If he didn’t want to stir up trouble he would not have called all the Multiple acts of parliament passed in the NZ parliament against Maori that I sent him fake news.

           Also he called the TOW fake news and fraud in an email to me.

           He says he is targeting elitist Maori which is bullcrap what is is doing is targeting all Maori iwi and any input they have in local and national politics which has been in existence for at least 20 years.

           He is a white racist full stop.

       • Good questions Anker and waiting to see what the responses are . .

       • Its all a manipulation – wokeism, the left, the right, the far-right, these are divisive tools employed by the corporate/financial class to help keep, we, the people, both divided and looking in the wrong direction (fighting among ourselves instead of fighting THEM).

         Likewise, co-governance is pointless – why – because our government like all western governments, is run out of the USA, while the USA itself, is run by corporate-financial-moneyed interests, aka – true fascism. Sure, there’s a lot of local issues that the US has no interest in, but when there is an issue they want us ti follow, yep, we jump right on board, regardless of our own interests. Co-governance – pointless. Governance free of outside influence and or said influence declared when an issue/policy is put forward to, we the people – paramount importance to us all. Why oh why do we not talk about this all important issue, especially when fascism is discussed.

       • It is a great question Anka. I think it deserves a lengthy response as well. Here’s mine:

         Chris Trotter. Fascism And “Stop Co-Governance”

         While I have agreed with Chris Trotter on some issues, I have always done so warily, with the understanding that in some fundamental ways, I have deep disagreements with the man. Mostly because of his Left leaning viewpoint. Chris has been quite vocal condemning some of the political machinations of this latest iteration of the Labour party, and some of that comes from the reality that his is a more moderate, more liberal leaning political perspective, more of an old school Leftie.

         But this is one of those occasions where my deep disagreement surfaces.

         His recent opinion piece “Checking The Left: The Dreadful Logic Of Fascism” I’d like to unpack this a little.

         His opening salvo is to characterize Julian Batchelor’s “Stop Co-Governance” roadshow as a sign of the “growth of fascism”. “[F]ascism is almost always a response to what the Right regards as the dangerous strength – or even the imminent triumph – of the Left.”

         Is that a fair comment? To answer that raises another question:” What is fascism?

         Like the now ubiquitous word “racism” its constant use is rendering its original meaning almost useless as a means of informing people about some real state of affairs. “Racist” and its common counterpart “fascist” simply means someone the Left disagrees with. It’s a convenient label, for diminishing respect for the one it supposedly describes.

         However, if we refuse to allow this to happen to these good descriptors, let’s see how well “fascist” describes Julian Batchelor and his band of merry men – and women. (Covering my bases here).

         According to Merriam Webster dictionary – Fascism is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime … that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

         It seems to have conveniently escaped Trotter’s notice that many would characterize Ardern’s government as answering very neatly that description.

         Fascism “:exalts … race above the individual”. We have seen a great deal of race based issues balloon up in the last 5 years.

         Fascism “stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. We’ve seen an autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader like never before. Just think of the morning sessions from “the podium of truth”, lockdowns, shutting down the whole country, centralizing health services, attempting to take power from local councils and centralizing this as well.

         Fascism -”Severe economic and social regimentation” ? Think of the mandates, think of masks, think of no travel, no visiting loved ones, no vaccine/no job. Think of advice not to talk to your neighbour, and dobbing them in for indiscretions.

         Fascism – “Forcible suppression of opposition?” Think of how anyone of the Right, gets vilified in the press. Think of the extreme Left wing bias of the press and how that impacts public perception. It may not be “force” in the most extreme sense of the word, but when the media is controlled so adeptly, not by force – except in the sense of controlling the education system which makes any deviation from leftist politics almost impossible for any graduating out of that system. And these graduates enter the “fourth estate” with a mindset that naturally predisposes them to see through a Leftist lens. Think of the attempt to muster in draconian hate speech laws, and the characterization that anyone on the Right is more likely to be a terrorist, and their speech and actions “divisive” and anti-State. Think of trotting out the ideologically compromised “experts” like Professor Spoonley in front of all the media cameras spouting unquestioned vitriol regarding “banning the Right” altogether!

         But wait, there’s more to fascism than this and it smacks of the sort of irony that impresses me of the erroneous projection of Trotters remarks.

         Dinesh D’Souza, lecturing in a public university campus setting, made clear to a student, (who, like Trotter, labelled him a fascist), even while the student, attempted to disrupt, shout down, and ultimately cause the cancellation of the meeting.

         D’Souza spoke words to the effect: “Are you aware of the Black shirts in Italy” (the home of fascism), “and the Brownshirts in Germany? Do you realize that they would go to meetings, goons that would stand at the back of the room, and when someone attempted to make an intelligent presentation and answer questions they would shout them down, yell at them, try to intimidate them, and count it as success if they could get the event cancelled, and the speaker threatened.”

         Yes, that too characterizes fascism.

         But he didn’t stop at pointing out that the young person was fascist herself. He went on to say some pointed remarks about Socialism, in regards to National Socialism (Nazi Germany). Asking if she knew the 25 point platform of Hitler’s National Socialist goals and whether she knew that Hitlers deadly opponent was capitalism. He went on to allude to some of his policies: The State control of Banks, State control of Healthcare, State control of Education, ending with the observation that “fascism” is historically a Left leaning aberration.

         Do you see the pattern here? If you haven’t I will add a portion of a video from one of Julian Batchelor’s meetings.

         Finally, I would add to the defining characteristics of fascism, is that historically it conspires with large private corporations to restrict and exploit the people. It is Big Government in bed with Big Business. It is interesting to note that many people perceive an uncomfortable relationship with Maori corporations winning large and perhaps uncontested contracts and tenders with the Government along with questions raising the spectre of nepotism. A recent directive is that a certain proportion of all government business, in the name of “equity”, must go to Maori interests. The whole “Treaty Framework” is providing not only grants to bolster elite Maoris, but consultation fees which must amount to astronomic figures on the basis of the “necessity to honour the Treaty”, which accordingly necessitates “consulting with Iwi”. Colloquially named the “gravy train’, or “troughers”.

         My next beef with Trotter is his disingenuous characterization and reference to the “meeting organised by the Christian evangelist Julian Batchelor.”

         What is Trotter attempting here? Batchelor doesn’t bring his private, religious views into these meetings, at least not any overt way that might be construed as an attempt to convert anyone to religion. No, Trotter here is using an old media trick. He is in fact playing on the prejudices of a largely secular public to “turn the tide of public opinion” against him. He is hoping that if people know he’s “religious” that will turn them off coming to listen, or paying him any real attention. This is Trotter the Leftie in full demonstration, flying the flag, making his colours known.

         First characterizing him as “fascist” then as a “religious nutter”. Character assassinations are in fact the sign of a weak argument, a last ditch attempt to put people off from taking anything he says as authoritative, or worth the investment of time and effort to hear him out.

         I can agree with Trotter that “the explicit purpose of Batchelor’s roadshow is to build a mass political movement of Pakeha New Zealanders, not only to stop co-governance, but also to halt what he sees as the state-sanctioned elevation of Māori over European culture.”

         This raises the question: Is that concern justified? As a political candidate in the 2017 general election I was stunned to hear a Maori party candidate spell out the specific aim of appropriating 50% of government revenue towards Maori. When only 17% or so, are in fact identifying as Maori, that’s not even proportionate “Co-Governance” (which I would oppose at any rate), that’s effectively dominance.

         The return to “tribalism” is indicative of many nations exemplified – especially in Africa, who having shrugged off the “Colonialism” of the past, (admittedly with its own history of injustices towards those who were there before), but then plunged into anarchy, destabilization and ultimate economic and social collapse. That is a pattern that bears not repeating here.Trotter’s remark that Batchelor’s crusade is to thwart what Batchelor envisages as “transforming New Zealand into “the Zimbabwe of the South Pacific”. This in my view is not an unwarranted observation.

         Who wants it to get to that extreme?
         Trotter’s next comment is also typical of a Leftie journalist wishing to dictate the terms of the engagement to put the opposing view in the worst terms possible, to frame the opponent in terms that will put him in the worst, or most unfavourable light.

         How does he do that?
         “For Batchelor to succeed, he would need to awaken a huge, and so-far undetected, strata of angry Kiwi racists.” Do you see the assumption there? Ipso facto, according to Trotter, if you agree with Batchelor, you must be a racist…

         But this raises another interesting issue. What if Maori agree with Batchelor? Are they then racist? In conversations with Maori I am confident that many, at least in private, are feeling that they are not represented well by those elitists that are behind co-governance. They are themselves expressing some dismay at this push for separatism and “Co-Governance”. But in a very community oriented, close knit population – it is a mark of courage to stand up in public and say so – a step too far for some.

         By framing the issue here in terms of race and racism, he’s attempting to tar not only Batchelor with that brush – but all who might throw in their lot with that cause. But Batchelor didn’t make it an issue of race, those who use the Treaty as a lever to divide along the lines of identity politics did that. And then – with no shame – play the racist card for all its worth. I would warrant that if the same Treaty was used as a lever to force the redistribution of wealth along any other social class, it would evoke the same response.

         Further manipulation of the facts regarding the Dargaville “Stop Co-Governance” meeting seem to be evident in Trotter’s hit piece. At the very least – the facts are contested. Trotter, seemingly oblivious to the irony of characterizing Batchelor’s movement as “Fascist” then goes on to assert “predictably, Māori and their anti-racist Pakeha allies are threatening to turn up to shout down Batchelor’s “hate speech”.

         I wonder if they will wear brown shirts?

         Adding to the irony Trotter then drops this: “Batchelor’s opponents are planning to contact local councils around the country and urge them not to allow the “blatant racist” to hire their facilities for his public meetings. If some local councils, perhaps worried that Batchelor’s meetings might become unruly, or, even worse, attract threats of serious violence, decide to deny him access to their facilities, then as sure as eggs-are-eggs, the Free Speech Union will become involved.”

         He can say this with reasonable confidence because the Free Speech Union has already become involved. (Remember the furore over Sport Northland?) And why not? Why should they not get involved? It is after all an issue of Free Speech when the agitators continually turn up to his meetings to provoke, disrupt and attempt to shut down this discussion, and I’ve seen for myself their self-congratulatory remarks at having successfully put several prospective venue administrators off from having his meeting in their town. Kaiwaka is one such example. It would indeed be remiss of the Free Speech Union to ignore such a challenge to free speech. Again, Trotter is using this Leftie tactic of “pre-empting” events and framing them in such a way as to predispose people to think poorly of Batchelor and resist, or be passive and not be involved.

         But our political leaders are saying New Zealand needs this discussion rather than simply have it foisted upon us. David Seymour’s Act party is calling for a referendum, Chris Luxon is opposing certain policies along these lines as he made reasonably clear at the Ratana event. Winston Peters is on record as appealing to the commonsense perception that it is a blatant social engineered strategy to empower certain elites. Matt King’s “Democracy NZ”, spokesperson on this, Lee Smith says it’s time we reverted to being color blind in our political and social discourse.

         So why is there not more positive media coverage of this tour? The media coverage he does get – is so blatantly opposed to his stance, that much is clear.

         The last thing Trotter wants, and he expresses this fear very clearly, as with those many who sympathize with his views – is that Batchelor’s cause becomes not only a clarion call against separatism, but invokes more support by it becoming an issue of free speech, freedom of expression, and all that follows – as a threat to democracy itself. Free speech being as it is, an absolute imperative in a real democracy.

         But again, Trotter fails to recognize, deliberately I would warrant, that this is not Batchelor’s doing. He didn’t invite the protesters to try to dissuade or threaten those who administered the venues, those that cowed before the threats of disturbance, trouble and possible damage to their venues. In a word, the protesters themselves are causing this to become a much wider issue. Neither did Batchelor “force” in any way, their responses to his meetings. Responses such as drowning him out with singing, interrupting, speaking loudly with those that were there to listen, taking the focus of Batchelor with any means possible short of physically accosting him.

         Here are some comments of Trotter’s that take on a more serious, even sinister tone: “People who may not be as hostile to co-governance as Batchelor, but who are extremely hostile to the angry crowds who turn up to shut his meetings down, may feel obliged to, at least, defend his freedom of speech. There may even be an element who feel strongly enough to offer themselves as “security” for Batchelor’s meetings. Naturally, they will wear uniforms – to assist both the Police and the public in distinguishing them from the “extremists”.

         Again he is preemptively attempting to steer this discussion in order to dictate the terms that will be employed to the advantage of his own cause. His use of scare quotes around the word “security”, is in fact a thinly veiled reference to the “brown shirts” of the National Socialists of Nazi Germany. But note they were Socialists, Lefties, not of the Right at all. He is speaking as if Batchelor’s obvious need for security, presently handled by Police, as it should, might migrate to an entourage of vigilantes. This is Trotter at his worst and perhaps most mischievious.

         It is no surprise then, that his next sentence is this: “With unnerving speed, Batchelor’s movement will begin to acquire all the historical hallmarks of fascism.”

         But criticism of Trotter aside, (for the moment), I do recognize his astute political intuition.

         Trotter: ”Observing the rapid growth of Batchelor’s far-right pressure group, the National and Act parties will find it very difficult to resist the temptation to range themselves alongside it. Neither of these “official” representatives of the Right will want to be caught opposing Batchelor, for fear that their rivals will immediately come out in support. It is equally hard to see NZ First and the other, even smaller, right-wing parties turning down the chance to piggy-back on what Batchelor’s opponents are angrily calling New Zealand’s shameful “white supremacist” movement.”

         It is, sadly, entirely possible for the worst to happen. If Batchelor becomes the voice of aggrieved Pakeha. If National, Act, NZ First, and all the others rally to his cause – for fear of being lumped in with the “treatyists”, the “cultural Marxists”, and all the other manifestations of the “Woke Left” – then a great, 100,000-strong, gathering of the right-wing clans in the Auckland Domain on Election Eve suddenly becomes a “live” proposition.”

         If that’s fascism Chris, not only am I a monkey’s uncle, I say “Bring it on”!

         • Well written and accurate

2. Until there is some kind of organised progressive alternative (of which there is literally none at present), the field is wide open for such maverick conservatives to hoover up angry working class people.

   After all, the country is now such a backward and impoverished joke, the most logical option for the average person is to leave the country. The large number of people who cannot afford to do so is a big potential constituency.

   The demands for such a progressive campaign could be extremely simple. Reverse all attacks on working people from the 1980s. Revive the spirit and platform of 1935. No to divisive racialism.

   Because nobody inside Parliament is interested in such a thing, it will have to come from the outside. Although the trade union rank-and-file will be behind it, the Labour Party machine which dominates the union executives will need to somehow be sidelined.

   It is a daunting task, but it has all been done before.

3. I object to your calling Batchelor a Christian, the most well-known NT apostle has this to say regarding government “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.”

   • He’s a heretic!
     Burn him.

4. From the day the secretive He Puapau report was leaked, the government created the vacuum that allows the creation of an alienated populace.

   Government never explained to the TOTAL population what co-governance was and how it would work.

   That allows people like Batchelor to thrive.

   The relentless march to Maorification is ongoing and the 85% are becoming more agitated in this march. For example was there an absolute necessity to rename Britomart?

   The history and significance of the 85% in New Zealand is being whittled away (where did Gisborne go?) and in that vacuum the people born of this land that are part of the 85% move towards those who answer to allay their diminished significance.

   The rise of fascism is purely down to the government not bring ALL the people along in the quest to attain an ethnic centred governance model. What is in this model that serves the betterment of the 85%?

5. Wokism is hyper fuel for alienating the middle. It doesn’t have to be a sane or coherent proposition, just a position opposite to Co-governance and the woke left along with NZ demographics will do the rest for you.
   I’m sure there’d be a dirty politics link to kick this all off there if you scratched around enough. The genesis of these movements is almost always “assisted” by a cats paw

6. Anyone have a link to the Stop Co Governance Dargaville meeting video? It is mentioned in the article but I can’t find it with google.

   • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7ULqmwn-I

     • No that is Warkworth but thanks for trying.

7. NZ Natzos held sway in the provinces (as in Parliamentary Electorates, local Govt. etc.) for so long because of this very tactic of micro meetings and networking–the Fire Stations, Police Stations, Business Associations, Lodges, sports clubs, service clubs and social associations and even calf club and School BOTs, all generally reinforcing reactionary conservative messaging.

   “We’re blue around here maayte…” You did not get the job if you disagreed–various contractors, trades and particularly young workers have told me over the years, and I directly heard some of the banter and bullying myself when building my house in the Far North. The lead contractor stopped the job for one day when I challenged him! but then decided getting paid trumped his tory principles.

   Time waits for no one…and it won’t wait the grey hairs either. Human mortality will deal with some of this phenomenon and new gens, the younger browner sections and their allies will deal with some of it too. Societal unity is what we need more of at this time–not this fascist lite retread crap–Cyclones make no distinction between white supremacists and the rest of the population.

8. This is a bit like the fantasy piece where the farmers of Gore were going to rise up in armed resistance because of the gun buy back.
   A push back on unmandated co governance is entirely justified, it doesn’t make anyone nazis.
   Dividing the country on race is inevitably going to create disharmony, – Mr Trotter has written extensively pointing this out-and it has done, that’s on the Labour government not the inconsequential Christian conservatives.

   • Good summary Keepcalmcarryon – one of the few commenters to stick to the obvious reality.

9. Co-governance is a terrible idea and surely the government must have realised that pursuing it relentlessly and in secret would drive people towards extremists like this guy and the ACT party? But they went ahead and pursued it anyway, just dumb politics.

10. A good CT article and one that didn’t trigger my woke middle class sensibilities for once. This is the type of intelligent and coherent analysis I always used to enjoy from CT.
    The strategy outlined has been extremely successful in the US and the majority of state level legislatures are right-wing and busy dismantling progressive policies no matter how trivial and inconsequential they may be.
    It also works in the UK where any discussion that turns a vulnerable minority into a major threat galvanizes the electorate like nothing else. It was the EU a few years ago and now it’s refugees – UK voters are like junkies for this stuff – even the UK Labour party is fully on board criticizing the government for not sending enough refugees “back where they came from”.
    Will it work in NZ? There’s definitely an audience for it judging by Acts polling but one would hope that most NZer’s are just to laid back to take this seriously.

11. Chris,
    I respect your opinions on almost everything you say. However, calling people like Mr Batchelor “fascist” does you a disservice. It is very easy to throw around gratuitous germs such as fascist, Nazi, far right, etc. This name calling only detracts from reasoned argument. How much more of a fascist is he compared to the regime under Jacinda Ardern? Now, that was fascist.
    Also, by “Pakeha”, I presume you mean New Zealanders of EuropeN descent, or “white fullas”. It’s not only to them that co-governance and race-based priveleges are an anathema. There is an ignored group of we Indians, Chinese, Korean, Malays, Africans, and Polynesians to whom these issues are beyond the pale. Many of them and their forbears chose to leave their homelands to escape truly discriminatory regimes. They chose New Zealand because it was a safe and egalitarian country where you could succeed on your merit.
    How wrong their decisions have turned out to be. This is not a safe country and willl be even less so if we allow the thugs veto of threatened violence against those who stand against the privileging of one race in our once meritocratic country.
    Now, the thugs who would deter freedom to express their views by protest are the true fascists.

    • How fucking ridiculous was that.

      Lols, I’m going to reserve certain words for myself too.

    • Totally agree Ravi and I am fairly sure that whilst Batchelor does refer to the English from time to time, his emphasis is on all other New Zealanders who are not Maori. So Chris is wrong to say Batchelor is trying to build a mass movement of Pakeha NZers. Being passionate about equal democracy does not imply being a white supremacist or indeed, anti Maori.

    • @Ravi,
      I am very aware of your reality. So many Pakehas now have friends or relatives by marriage who are of other ethnic groups with distinctive and distinguished old cultures. My sister has a Chinese daughter in law and has been for over forty years a devotee in the Self Realization movement founded last century by the Indian Yogi Paramahansa Yogananda. She has had and still has Indian, Japanese and East European friends in this organization. Usually other ethnic groups don’t come forward because they risk being coarsely attacked by religiously zealous Neo – Marxist (Bolshevist) Yagodas like Stephen.

12. “Hate speech” is what the Left like to call the right of everyone in New Zealand to “to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.”

13. the Christian evangelist Julian Batchelor
    Why Christian – it may be a broad church but it isn’t supposed to be a camouflage net for mischievous even malicious rabble rousers.

14. 3 things come to mind.

    1. This would never have happened if the Labour Govt had an express mandate pref. by referendum or by at least mentioning this to the voting public before the election and then educating and debating and bringing people with them. Now we are all in the shit and the responsibility lies at Labour’s door.
    2. Why is Batchelor being named a racist and a fascist?

    I think he is entirely wrong to use the term War and to talk about Maori Tribal elite explicitly and he certainly resorts to hyperbole, rarking up and dubious sources. But there is either a grain of truth in what he says or in other cases, express truth across a number of issues. I actually agree with much of what he says but it doesnt mean I agree because I am anti Maori or think Maori dont deserve more redress and some element of Co Management. I think he raises points that should be widely discussed and understood in NZ.

    3. I think that the bullying and slur laden tactics of the nouveau ‘Left’ have brought us to this place (See Leah Panapa’s enforced mea culpa today) and the Greens trying to deplatform the latest transgender commentator. And sad as it is, I think people who disagree with what is going on (in general, not solely co Governance) should stand up and demand that their voices be heard. Last I looked we still lived in a democracy. If it takes numbers marching on parliament to get our politicians to resolve this issue effectively then people should do it. Nobody wants to stand on the street with a placard and be called a racist, fascist, hater or whatever but that is exactly what the opposing side is counting on so that no dissenting voices can be heard ever.

    And now Stephen, you can have at me as you invariably do.

    • To be fair, I rewatched Batchelor’s speech today and can see a number of times in there where he was racist. The topics he raised were largely relevant but his assumption that the Treaty Industry is a fraud and that Maori are only in it for the money is I have to say blatantly racist. And there were other similar instances.

15. Who are these cultural Marxists, can you point out any of these people please.

    because quite frankly never seen nor engaged with one.

16. I love people who make up shit and man Ada you made up a lot of shit. So sending lots of love your way.

    Hitler was never a socialist, read Mein Kampf it will let you know that one

    The German and Italian corporations used fascism to keep capitalism going in the face of a socialist challenge. But the socialism that was the challenge was, social democracy. Hardly Marxist

    No fascist government has ever won a majority, its never gained popular support. It’s been a fringe ideology, which has had powerful friends to make sure working people were screwed over.

    Finally who are these cultural marxists your banging on about? Point out three, just three. Can’t – like all bat shit crazy ideas, may sound good on paper, but in the real world it’s just more bullshit.

    • @Ignatius,
      Cultural Marxism came out of a group in Germany in the thirties called the Frankfurt School. Look it up. They subsequently took refuge in the US. Since then their theories have filtered into Universities in the West and are now reaching torrential proportions and causing ruin and devastation on all horizons.
      Everything is about funding. Wars, so called revolutions, Red, Orange or any other colour of the rainbow, all you have to discover is where the funding comes from. Great deluges of it.
      Did you come down in the last cyclone? No worries mate, you’ll probably be sucked back up in the next one.

      • You have done what all idiots do, not answer a simple question.
        I don’t want to know you theory – the question was name three people, but you could not.
        You got nothing, but some crazy conspiracy theory.
        It’s tiresome and just let everyone know how fucking crazy the right are in this country.

17. I think Chris Trotter and others need to have a read of former Treaty Negotiations Minister Christopher Finlayson’s comments about co-governance and how it works.

    https://e-tangata.co.nz/nzoa-pijf/chris-finlayson-co-governance-should-be-embraced-not-feared/

    After reading this article, do you still believe that co-governance is this monster that so many people seem to think it is?

    • The only people who think it is a monster are those who dont want to lose being top dog.

    • It’s deliberate disinformation to compare the limited co governance for local administration made in specific treaty settlements, to what is proposed in He Puapua and is being implemented nationally in the likes of three waters without proper democratic process.
      That people are relying on omission, non debate and outright dishonesty to sell co governance tells us an awful lot.

18. I’m with Julian.

19. “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.” A quote by a fascist? Nope – Winston Churchill, probably the man who saved the world from fascism.

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