The latest Roy Morgan Poll shows us that the Left are haemorrhaging male voters to the Right.
Labour + Green have 42.5% of women while National only have 36.5%, but it is with men that the Left have crashed out on. Labour + Greens have 32.5% male vote while National storms home with 41.5%.
The most dangerous part of Identity Politics is when white men start seeing themselves as a seperate identity and start seeing themselves as the victims…
Misogynistic influencers are trending right now. Defusing their message is a complex task
Andrew Tate, the professional fighter-turned media personality who earned the ire and admiration of millions with his viral rants about male dominance, female submission and wealth, is everywhere these days.
…this hyper toxic masculinity is erupting as a push back to the extremes of the post me too movement and the B-E-L-I-E-V-E all women position, that’s why the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp Court case was so caustic, it was more than a celebrity divorce, it was an attack on the pillars of logic hastily arranged in real time social media intellectual creation.
Identity Politics is an important journey on understanding your relationship with power, but if all you come to the table with is an all consuming connection to your skin colour, gender or sexual orientation then there is no shared values or common ground on which to build.
The Professional Managerial Class are selling elite middle class virtue signals as social policy which alienates voters whose concerns are on how to pay the bills, not what pronouns you use.
The true demarcation of power in a capitalist democracy is not your skin colour or gender identity or genitalia, it is between the 1% richest and their 9% enablers vs the 90% rest of us!
We need more solutions to housing, poverty and the climate crisis, we don’t need more social media cancellations for crimes against middle class dogma.
The Left look for traitors and the Right look for recruits. That’s why ACT is on 12+%
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Could just be good dads who want safe spaces for their daughters, or who don’t want to go to prison if their sons want to become their daughters, or who think that tittle tattling on the neighbours isn’t a good keen bloke sort of thing the way that planting beans or coaching a sports team is. Basic commonsense sort of stuff.
Yep, commonsense “toxic masculinity” in action. What is it with these labels these days.
To not over complicate this gender issue, Labour are shedding voters anyway at an alarming rate and will continue to do so. They are out on their feet, on empty, the lights are on but no one is home.
As a voter I’m looking for a true left and cannot see one, just some amalgam of gooey extreme social liberal academics mixed with neo liberal orthodoxy to command the economy backed by a Prime Minister who is as trustworthy as a stereotypical used car salesman. The Greens are sanctimonious middle class centre group looking for that next tummy warming sugar high of feel good interference for some supposed victims somewhere but strategically are twice as dumb as Labour and no where near as devious!
And as white males are the devil in everything no matter how ridiculous, then perhaps that’s why they turn away from the so called left, who love to hold them up as their whipping boys! And as a result men will turn their voting power to anyone but the status quo!
And all the meanwhile the right side of politics continues to be the most corrupt in our history with a National leader whose ability to look one straight in the eye and don’t know if he’s in Te Puke or Hawaii? And of course we have an ACT party who will rape and pillage our democracy. Worst of all people like you are prepared to vote for the corruption parties.
You’re 100% right Martyn, but men have good reason to see themselves as victims, because they are in western society.
The demonization of men is corroding society and sadly, those most affected will ultimately be women.
Andrew. Yes, but in New Zealand, the “holier than thou” attitude of LGBT persons towards mainstream society seems to have been particularly pernicious, which combined with the weaponisation of “colonialism “ to unfairly clobber all Pakeha, has been very divisive, and quite extraordinary when coming from Parliamentary politicians like Kelvin Davis, Elizabeth Kerekere, and Marama Davidson, not from outlier extremists. Setting sections of society against each other is the opposite of what our representatives should be doing. We’re not the enemy, we’re the electors who expect them to represent all of us. Men have every reason to feel beleaguered, but there will be women who support Ardern simply because she’s a woman, and that’s the way things tend to be,
but many of us are fed up with being treated like retarded school children.
‘Could just be good dads who want safe spaces for their daughters’. Yes, protect your daughters by voting for the party of rich, old, white men who like to molest waitresses and send pictures of their genitalia to their female staff.
Snow White it’s time to wake up.
Stevie. It was the pathetic young chaps who sent off pictures of their private parts, not rich old white men, and the waitress molester may have a hair fetish possibly deriving from his maternal ethnicity issues which he should have got sorted years ago, but maybe he just couldn’t, if it pleasures him, and for sure he only got away with it because he was a rich so-called man, but his colour is irrelevant, there are old brown perverts too, and yellow ones.
I can’t speak for or as a man, but as far as wokesters alienating the punters is concerned, it is the infantilising of the voters, and the being lectured to by PM’s, and people like Paul Hunt telling everyone to be kind and so on in the way that infant teachers talk to kiddies, or mothers deal with squabbling siblings, which is too hard to stomach. Why should we ?
There are men and women achievers doing things which few politicians could, and who have spent their whole working lives doing so, and who don’t deserve to be categorised by effete politicians who aren’t particularly skilled themselves, but spout pc crap and jargon and expect to be taken seriously, when out in the real world, better people are doing better things, so sod them.
Male is an identity. Victimhood is created by victimisation.
The idea that it only matters when particular people feel it is as old as humanity. Is the very thing the left exists to fight. Along with the idea that I’m a person but you are……….
We going to talk about Hamilton East and a 33% swing in just over 2 years?
Grant just reached for the ice pick.
“Men vote National and Act because of Andrew Tate” is a very long bow, Martyn. I’d never heard of the guy until he was in the news recently, and I’m a bloke the same age as him.
My observations from building sites where I work (plenty of Waitakere men there):
Men hate inefficiency. Labour talk, but don’t do. It’s immensely frustrating.
Men, apart from a few judges and MPs who pay good money to be treated like babies once a week, hate being infantalised. Starting with the 1pm political broadcast during the lockdowns, it’s gone from mildly amusing, to downright fucking annoying.
Lack of immigration means building sites are short staffed, long hours and potentially dangerous. The pay is great, sure. But having clocked 63 hours this week already, it’s no surprise men prefer Erica Stanford and David Seymour to Michael Wood and Jacinda Ardern when it comes to border policies.
We’ve also had a spate of thefts on building sites. Very little resolution from police, but at least the resolution on the cameras is good. Let’s just say we have a pretty good idea of the demographics committing the crimes.
“It’s gone from mildly amusing to downright fucking annoying “ . Yep. Telling people in lockdown not to talk to neighbours progressed to spying on the neighbours, with the SIS producing helpful hints, women’s mag style. We’re not on a wartime footing, and nor should we have to live as if we are, or wonder if some Sth American junta is in control. It’s all too divisive.
“The Manoshpere”–fucking spare us! Why catastrophise? There should be every confidence that there are enough non misogynistic new gens to step up eventually. We may be landed with the dirty filthy Natzos again for a bit–and NZ Labour will have a lot to answer for that situation, but WE DON’T have to join them.
The phenomenons of Post Modernism, an embedded monetarist state, and neo liberal individualism have contributed to this scenario. But so have long standing historic post colonial and City/Province divides. There has long been a significant sector of pretty dark and ugly New Zealanders–heh, long before J Ardern was born even…
It is a stretch for the likes of those that knew the Norm Kirk Govt. soon replaced by Rob’s Mob, and the treacherous Roger’n’Ruth to see the ebb and flow of politics and societal development–i.e. non linear. But generally progress gets made. The sky was meant to fall when “poofters” were allowed to join the human race, Nukes were banned, cigarette smoking was marginalised and paid parental leave, youth rates dispatched, and a decent minimum wage arrived. These gains all have to be defended and refought for sometimes.
But really, there is no way anyone with half a brain should seriously defer to poor widdle wimpy (regardless of rock hard abs or not) white boys–sob–and regretful older white grumps.
All this shit probably needed to happen though @ Tigger. And probably best it happened sooner than later.
The bigger project though is to get (as you regularly state) the electorate engaged in doing stuff and getting involved – no matter how pathetic their means and existence. THAT will require a cultural change and things having to get rilly rilly rilly bad for the average specimen
My reckons are that the Labour Party is probably only now beginning to understand the extent of the shit they’re in, and there’ll be (and are) many cudda shudda wuddas.
It’s even possible that JA is having to weigh up some options as to Her future. At worst, its probably somethink like: will it be the marriage or the current career. At best, it’ll be hawking the C.V. around on the Whurl stage – global politiks and media.
There is a simple explanation for the relatively small gender gap of 7-9% between LG and NACTS and that is that NZ is still a very sexist society.
The patriarchy still rules witness the continued male violence against women and girls.
The parties that embody the patriarchy more will get more male support.
Sexism will become even more oppressive when global economic and climate collapse creates more competition between the sexes, and puts men’s fragile hold on their psyches under pressure.
Identity politics is largely superfluous in protecting both men and women from the material reality that shapes their lives – witness the futility of gender identity trumping biological sex – as the global capitalist dystopian system is takes us all down the road to extinction.
“Expect the unexpected”. From a couple of weeks ago: https://theconversation.com/coalitions-kingmakers-and-a-rugby-world-cup-the-calculations-already-influencing-next-years-nz-election-195010
If National get in, a lot of men will find it hard when their pay gets frozen.
Martyn, no screw honky the white-colonial-cis-het-monogomous-neurotypical-righthanded-patriarchy-called-mike must be overthrown for the sake of socialmedia likes, fashionable dinner parties, media outrage farming and oppressed sharks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/05/shark-week-diversity-study/
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