Ummmmm. Luxon is coming across a bit, ‘spare the crowbar spoil the child’ now isn’t he?
I mean, we all get he has to generate dog whistle raw meat policy for his reactionary redneck, knuckle dragging, banjo twanging rump and is desperately trying to steal votes off ACT, but he’s getting shitty that his stupid counter productive knee jerks aren’t being well received and he’s whining now…
The National Party is doubling down on its tough-on-crime tactics, by referring to wraparound services as “kumbaya” and “mush”.
Party leader Christopher Luxon made the comments while addressing how to deal with the country’s ram-raid problem.
Earlier this week, he reintroduced National’s military boot camp policy for misbehaving youths, switching the focus away from wraparound services.
…this is all so bewilderingly stupid and utterly beneath us all in terms of serious social policy debate.
The audacity (and stupidity) of the Rights position on these counter productive right wing virtue signal military boot camps is gag inducing.
As far as I can see, the Right’s argument is this:
“Sure, the Military Boot Camps don’t work and might actually make things worse – B-U-T the Left aren’t doing anything about Ram Raiding Youth and I’m frightened and something must be done!”
Let’s just start with the stupidity part of this insanity.
You all get that you are being played by the News Media’s ‘if-it-bleeds-it-leads’ corporate click bait business model eh?
You all get that corporate media love ram raids, they love the video, they love how cheap they are to produce, they love how easy it is to manipulate you with fear.
Yes of course ram raids are happening, but the total myopic focus on promoting them via the media in turn feeds the self promotion of these kids putting these crimes own social media in the first place!
YOU ARE ALL BEING PLAYED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA!
The very same people who scream the media are fake news are the very same running around promoting every fear drenched story the media vomit up!
You have allowed your fear to justify removing civil liberties from children! You are arguing for ankle bracelets on children, you should be ashamed at how easily you have allowed your fear to be manipulated!
The stupidity of how easily spooked and led you all are by the news media is almost as huge as the audacity that the Left aren’t doing anything!
Of course things are being done! We are building the capacity of social services to deal with these young peoples and we are tackling the poverty and inequality that feeds this crime!
The Left are prepared to make the investment into combating the causes of crime, not the short term revenge fantasies that National are peddling!
If you are screaming for counterproductive Military Boot Camps and ankle bracelets of children, maybe you need to stop being manipulated by the news media and require a cup of tera and lie down.
Ram raids shouldn’t be an excuse to remove civil liberties from children and you should stop being easily led cowards!
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Completely agree Martyn.
Glengarry wines ramraided 42 times in 18 months. Completely disagree. The lefts stand on law and order is a farce!
Imagine if National had not have closed over 30 police stations and reduced police numbers during there time. It took 9 years to get to this point. The rights stand on law and order is a farce and completely hypocritical!
Getting tough on crime certainly works. The problem here is that New Zealanders don’t know the meaning of tough. This is the land of the wet bus ticket.
So Andrew, do you think putting ankle bracelets on 10 year olds and sending kids to boot camps is getting tough on crime? or do you have something else in mind?
Don’t worry Dave
The boot camp policy won’t last – it’s just come up for the Hamilton by election to make Luxon look tough (on crime)
Will quietly fade into the sunset the day after the election results are announced
Luxon is still working on the not so subtle art of kite flying, along with all those other John Key skills he’s patently lacking.
What’s punative is National closing down over 30 police stations during its reign. All in the meantime ramping up the country ‘s population. Cause and effect and National are hellbent on addressing the effect. They have always been a bottom of the cliff policy party.
Those policies were enough to get them choosen for 3 election periods and nearly a fourth if Winston had not had UTU on his mind and we t with Labour who were clearly as surprised as anyone that they had nothing ready to press go on.
So you agree we’re in the state of crime now thanks to Nationals appalling running down of our police infrastructure.
Thank you.
While Ram raiding is a big issue, some of the biggest killers in NZ are to do with faulty buildings such as the CTV building killing 115 people – 60% of the earthquakes deaths.
“In September 2012 it was discovered the man who supervised the building’s construction had faked his engineering degree. Gerald Shirtcliff had stolen the identity of a retired engineer based in the UK, William Fisher.[10] The pair had been friends in the 1960s, and Shirtcliff stole Fisher’s degree by adopting his name.[11] It was later discovered Shirtcliff’s father had done most of the work on his masters in highway engineering.[12]”
Shoddily-built house ordered demolished after builder forged inspection reports
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shoddily-built-house-ordered-demolished-after-builder-forged-inspection-reports/HT4NSQK3EVDW5JKMIWLGNMO2XU/
“The consenting officer – whose name was redacted by the Board in its decision – said he thought Xie was out of his depth, did not understand what the council was asking him to do, and had a mindset that this was the way he’d done things in Auckland without issue.”
Nice to see that this is only a $4500 fine in NZ! And if you fake it before you are a licensed practitioner then they don’t do anything!
NZ safety and justice is a joke! More interest in kids ram raiding than billions of dollars of unsafe construction that when discovered only gets a $4500 fine. The kids in the ram raids get a higher penalty and are far less dangerous both economically and in terms of safety than the large amounts of appalling cases of construction and engineering in NZ which nobody seems to care about. (Quick sell to foreigner or first home buyer). Sssshhhhh.
“A student engineer who lied on her CV and misrepresented herself as a chartered professional engineer has received the maximum fine available under Engineering New Zealand’s membership rules, and has been convicted in the District Court on 38 dishonesty charges.” ($5000 fine).
https://www.engineeringnz.org/news-insights/unqualified-student-engineer-receives-maximum-fine/
If teenagers and younger repeatedly do ram raids, then they’ve got to be taken off the streets. So where do you put them.
A camp with short haircuts and parade ground drill must be counterproductive.
But if the confinement involved a regular routine, a good night’s sleep, steady meals and attention to educational deficits then where is the problem?
If teenagers and younger repeatedly do ram raids, then they’ve got to be taken off the streets. So where do you put them.
A camp with short haircuts and parade ground drill must be counterproductive.
But if the confinement involved a regular routine, a good night’s sleep, steady meals and attention to educational deficits then where is the problem?
Then it’s not a ‘boot camp’, but a life changing experience, like Out Ward Bound or Spirit of Adventure. Wouldn’t it be great if all kids got to experience something of that nature. But providing such experiences is obviously not what National believe in, rather they believe in Sergeant Major type shock treatment.
For many decades we have known there is a direct relationship between inequality and crime. Poverty, poor housing, low wages, benefit dependency etc. are the cause of most if not all of the issues we are being fed on our evening news.
We need some serious change to make any difference whatsoever. More tax is not the issue, NZ already tax at 31.7% of GDP, higher than Australia, UK, Germany and not surprisingly the USA.
Cut all this woke crap and ideological rubbish, lets take a step back and focus on the key issues causing pain and suffering to the most disadvantaged and vulnerable in our society.
I don’t care if you are red, blue, green or yellow. Wouldn’t it be amazing if there was someone, anyone who could actually lead this country to where it could be a far better society than it is at the moment.
In despair I look overseas and it seems like we are not alone. Canada, UK, in fact most of the developed word seem to de in decline. We don’t have to follow the same path.
Maybe McKiwi we already have such a leader but there are some seriously influential people (here and abroad) who don’t want a fairer society. They are spending huge sums of money to repeat untrue mantra about our current direction. In a democracy no leader can initiate changes that the majority don’t believe in – i.e. climate change, water pollution, overseas ownership…..
Bratwurst you are seriously in need of help. How can you conflate hate crime with a muddle-headed youth who has not formulated any ideas about society? But of course, the late greatly despised Thatcher famously stated that “there is no such thing as society”.
I think the answer to these issues is boarding schools. There used to be many very successful Maori boarding schools that have closed down over the years and i think the answer to serious youth crime offending is a number of fully served boarding schools where they get to take pride in themselves, in physical activity, hard work, achievement and their own cultures. Get some ex army types and youth social workers, psychologists and I think it would be really positive. Home in the school holidays and try and involve the families as well.
Also be prepared to stream them by both intellect and attitude/behaviour. Maybe have other facilities for the few who only want to be destructive and bring others down (Borstal?). Also some cant be saved because they have too many issues so aim at least for the 75% who have a chance.
(Not making an assumption here, my sister has worked at a home for children that are too damaged to live at home and that is super hard. Requires massive funding and is incredibly unfulfilling for the caregivers. They are either violent, dangerously unpredictable or so depressed they will almost certainly do themselves in). I think this approach would also satisfy the right wings demand for punitive action, especially if they are out on the field at 6.30 each morning doing PT as a start to the day.
They should send the ram raiders to Ukraine..put them in tanks….point them to the Russian lines and tell them…to start..ramming.
yawn – a few dis-enfranchised youth going all outlaw and we get all hysterical? they obviously know the law better than most here and they don’t GAF. How do you make them GAF? legalise drugs so their bling has no market and their parents have to get jobs.
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