Aloha Luxon won’t rule out working with Qanon & Jesus

1. Jesus Christ Superstars unite!
   Name your price I got everything
   Come and buy it’s all going fast
   Borrow cash on the finest terms
   Hurry now while stocks still last

   • Yes sinic, Aloha should have ruled out the new feral party with I don’t want your blood money, I don’t need your bloody money.

2. Clutching at straws Martyn.
   Who else was fond of saying “read between the lines”? Not a particularly helpful turn of phrase, whether from Ardern or Luxon but nothing to get excited about and no need for the derisive comments about Christianity.

   • God and John Key blessed Chris Luxon.
     God and Chris Luxon blessed Brian Tamaki.
     God and Steve Bannon blessed the union of both his devout disciples and their high-value-tithing fan-base.
     God gave us the ability to read between the lines.
     God gave us “Cogito ergo sum”

   • I would argue in the context of Brian Tamaki’s version of “Christianity” there is plenty of room for derision. Homosexuality causes earthquakes? That is just ridiculous and is up there with Marg Taylor Green and Jewish space lasers. Delusional rubbish.

     • Wheel, you certainly are a person with a point here, don’t let those nasty righties with.their vile bring you down, there are plenty here and it’s a seriously ugly aspect of the left.
       “Homosexuality causes earthquakes”
       Oh dear.

   • it is the word of Gods that is clutching at straws – and everyone with a logical brain knows it. Don’t come here with your holier than though attitudes and expect us to cower to your delusion.

   • Yup no one would be mocking Luxton’s religion if he was a Muslim . . maybe because Christian’s are unlikely to behead you.

3. Remember also that Phillip Arps, who streamed the Mosque Murders was on his way to the protest that has spawned Tamaki’s broad-church-umbrella party https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/127766088/white-supremacist-philip-arps-arrested-after-alleged-public-execution-comment. This human being (sic.) also put pig’s heads at the door of the mosque?

   So, the broad church that Luxon represents – “read between the lines” , will “forgive Arps’ and work with Arps to have arrests, trials and “public executions” by sharmans and sheriffs. The nuremberg.nz hit list will be “manipulated” to remove National Party nominations being voted up the list. There will be zero tolerance of other races or other religions. And what punishment for abortion?

   So many questions, so little time for Chris Luxon to find a slippery, Teflon, John Key duck and dive rationalisations of hypocrisy in the broad church, before the 2023 elections.

4. We have separation of Church and State in this country for some very good reasons–lets keep it that way–Upper Room and Destiny Church are retrograde organisations for the needs of the 21st century and should not be anywhere near political office in my view.

   Yes, eligible parties and candidates are entitled to stand, and, the electorate at large is entitled to investigate them and vote or not for them and hopefully tell them to fuck off. Christian Parties if the past is any guide will usually have a few kiddy fiddlers in their ranks and self destruct anyway.

   I oppose most organised religions for two simple initial reasons; they consistently oppress women, and they indoctrinate children before they have developed an independent world view.

   Baldrick will run aground soon enough if he does not drop the MAGA/Upper Room stuff.

5. No worse than Labour associating themselves with the loonies in the Greens.

   That’s MMP

   • Or ACT and National.

     That’s loony.

   • We have to think quality as well as quantity in our politics and -icians Andrew.

6. According to the US postal service list of state abbreviations, Hawaii is HI.
   How about HILuxon?
   Aloha is good but the Toyota HiLux has always had a place in Kiwis’ hearts..

7. I think you’ll find that Mormons also pray to a higher order but oh, that’s right, the PM says she’s no longer a believer and it wouldn’t do to mock her beliefs would it.

8. While I hate what Tamaki and his cohorts stands for if they get elected they cannot be ignored as they represent a portion of the voting public. I would have as little in common with them as I would a hard left Labour or Green supporter but I am happy to listen to there point of view as I realize sometimes I am wrong and am always happy to argue the point with the Bert s of this world .
   My grip with Tamaki and crew would be their feeling of being right just like the Trumps and it is their way our the highway

   • Ditto Trevor, you quite often.sway my mind with intelligent debate. Sadly cannot say the same for a certain couple from your side here though. Watching Tamaki use Sharma’s situation by calling it the “Sharma Drama” during his mock trial tells me all I need to know about Tamaki that I didn’t already know. Making issue out of someone else’s demise is not Christian like. He does like an audience though, it means more tithe.

   • Trevor you do yourself a huge disservice. You will never be wrong about homosexuality not being the cause of earthquakes. Ruling out working with someone is not ignoring them. You have given them due attention and realized there is no working with them.

9. Luxon has to be careful what he says cause every time he opens his mouth his polling goes down and he is not alone.

   • Every time Chris opens his mouth, John Key speaks, Chris Luxon’s Jim Henson. God may have bestowed 7 houses on the other Chris, but he didn’t bestow the ability to lie, without a few “tells”. That’s why Chris Luxon can’t play poker and he can’t lie as well as John “Jim Henson” Key.

     435 lies of John Key https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/06/04/435-lies-by-john-key/ and https://www.facebook.com/Nice-One-John-404158052990000/

     When Chris lies, he goes red, sweats and falls back on his 3 letter goto God-Genesis phrase “The reality is…”

10. Luxon has to be careful what he says cause every time he opens his mouth his polling goes down and he is not alone.

11. Luxon has to be careful what he says cause every time he opens his mouth his polling goes down and he is not alone. And he can’t use inexperience as that line has worn out nor can his party or their followers claim Labour lack experience with National having such an inexperienced leader.

    • Looking at the image I think it is interesting how men have taken to dressing-up for public parades. I am wondering if this flowering of interest in artistic expression could be good for the nation, with medieval-style travelling mummers being paid to do small performances throughout the country that are about building a better and more loving society though, with ideas on coping with conflict and argument better; not at all based on sexuality, promiscuity or perverted political theories!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummers%27_play
      Mummers’ plays are folk plays performed by troupes of amateur actors, traditionally all male, known as mummers or guisers (also by local names such as rhymers, pace-eggers, soulers, tipteerers, wrenboys, and galoshins). Historically, mummers’ plays consisted of informal groups of costumed community members that visited from house to house on various holidays. Today the term refers especially to a play in which a number of characters are called on stage, two of whom engage in a combat, the loser being revived by a doctor character. This play is sometimes found associated with a sword dance though both also exist in Britain independently.

      http://quakercitystringband.com/a-history-of-mumming-how-the-mummers-got-here/

      or – Travelling Players In those days, actors would travel around the country in groups or ‘troupes’ and perform plays in places such as town halls, churches, country houses, drinking houses, markets, schools and universities. These troupes are called travelling or strolling players. They would travel around the country by horse and cart.
      https://www.shakespeare.org.uk › documents › Trav… PDF

      • I think the above has been done. Could be done again.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Lawrence
        In the early 1970s, Lawrence founded Blerta (“Bruno Lawrence’s Electric Revelation and Travelling Apparition”). The multi and theatrical co-operative toured New Zealand and in parts of Australia. Blerta saw him performing alongside many people he would work with later as an actor, including director Geoff Murphy, and actors Martyn Sanderson and Ian Watkin.

        https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0492649/ Bruno Lawrence – think, see The Quiet Earth

12. Mmp u can’t rule any one out. They might be a Blue / Green party

    • Mmp u can’t rule any one out…. if you’ve got no principles.

13. OK Righties, time to pucker up and pray to God!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129689559/hosts-of-farright-media-outlet-counterspin-reportedly-arrested-and-charged

    The founder and hosts of a far-right media outlet, Kelvyn Alp​ and Hannah Spierer​, have reportedly been arrested and charged with distributing an “objectionable publication”.

    There’s gonna be some National, ACT and Destiny backroom boys, hoping they have ‘nothing to worry about, move along’.

    Then again, it may be the ‘left-wing fascists or NZ’s Antifa’ that are linked to “objectionable publication”?

    Gaurav Sharma and Trevor Mallard and Sam Uffindell might have some company on the side benches of parliament, or Butch McDick may have some new cellmates on the lower bunk.

14. There’s this thing called ‘freedom of association’ guys…

15. Does that mean global warming is loony like what has just happened in Nelson Andrew and our houses are falling down the hills in Wellington from unprecedented rain is that more looney thinking to?

16. I saw this too TGIF. Eggstien, Donnarumma and now Hannah Spierer, Kelvyn Alp and their plus 1 boss.

    If only we had damages laws, like USA had for Alex Jones for spreading filth, and conspiracy theories and hate-speech:

    Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, whose 6-year-old son, Jesse Lewis, was among the 20 children and six educators killed in the deadliest classroom shooting in U.S. history. But the trial marks the first time Jones has been held financially liable for peddling lies about the 2012 attack in Newtown, Conn.

    After the verdict, Lewis said Jones has been held accountable. She said when she took the stand and looked Jones in the eye, she thought of her son, who was credited with saving lives by yelling “run” when the killer paused in his rampage.

    “He stood up to the bully Adam Lanza and saved nine of his classmates’ lives,” Lewis said. “I hope that I did that incredible courage justice when I was able to confront Alex Jones, who is also a bully. I hope that inspires other people to do the same.”

    Earlier this week, Jones testified that any award over $2 million would “sink us.” His company Free Speech Systems, parent of the Infowars website, filed for bankruptcy protection during the first week of the trial.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-08-05/alex-jones-ordered-to-pay-49-3m-total-over-sandy-hook-lies

    • These deluded far-right anti government protestor movements are anti-Labour and the Greens and by the bye, are also anti-National. We’ve seen their threats against National Party politicians on the nuremburg site. Their ultra-right political stunts are tainting National and ACT’s brand.

      We on the right believe that Chris Luxon mis-spoke and should clarify that Brian Tamaki’s brand of protest, politics and lawlessness have no place in any coalition of the centre-right parties. This should be as unequivocal as when National and ACT leaders refused to speak with protestors camped on the hallowed grounds of parliament.

      The time to put an unequivocal and clear denunciation of ultra-right-wing tactics and politics. Dirty politics is well behind the National Party and we need a clean slate. A clear and strongly worded line-in-the-sand needs to be drawn between the ultra-right Destiny Church and its umbrella supporters and the centre-right of National and ACT. A clear vision of centre-right values and beliefs is needed quick-smart and the leader, Christopher Luxon needs to do it this weekend. We cannot continue to read blogposts on this site and others linking the ultra-right and centre-right on the political landscape.

      • Selective memory TRA.

        David Seymour did speak with protestors
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/act-leader-david-seymour-meets-with-parliament-protest-intermediary-delivers-conditions-to-be-met-for-dialogue.html

        National’s Maureen Pugh, a National politician, didn’t get the memo about associating with “Brian Tamaki, Alp. Spierer and the umbrella rag-tag band of Qanon antivax feral lunatics”

        You right-wingers are just lying hypocrites who can’t get a lie straight, ever since John Key left the leadership of the National and ACT Party are part of the alt-right and purple right of NZ politics.

        You lot put these claims out that you centre-right and squeaky clean, but you’re not. You’re morally blind and will jump at the chance for a formal, or dirty politics ‘mutually beneficial arrangement’ with whover suits your born to rule aspirations (sic.)

        Hopefully, the raid on the Counterspin hosts will give Chris Luxon the impetus to distance himself and the National from the “Brian Tamaki, Alp, Spierer and the rag-tag umbrella band of Qanon antivax feral lunatics.” My namesake Shaman Luxon needs to act now, before it is too late. Send the ferals an unequivocal message.

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