A river runs through it: Nelson surveys damage and the clean-up ahead
Residents of Nelson are cleaning up and counting the cost of flood damage across the region, while authorities work to fix roads, clear slips and rebuild infrastructure.
The problem for climate deniers and climate minimisers is that the planet is super heating in front of our eyes and the collective extreme events are playing out in front of our eyes.
This current flooding hitting us is now is the extreme events warned about tomorrow occurring now.
This is now a time of consequences.
Look at how the heat wave is shutting down the Chinese economy and causing supply chains to rupture again…
China’s heatwave could have a knock-on effect on its economy, says economist
- China is caught in the grip of a devastating heatwave that could have a serious impact on its economy, according to a chief economist at Hang Seng Bank China.
- The heatwave “is a quite dire situation,” Dan Wang told CNBC’s “Squawk Box Asia” on Thursday, adding it probably could last for the next “two to three months easily.”
- “It will affect those big energy intensive industries and it will have[a] knock-on effect throughout the economy and even to the global supply chain,” she said.
…these future crises are happening now…
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China’s Heat Wave, America’s Future |
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South Asia in spring, Europe in early summer, the Midwestern US in July and now China: A dangerous heat wave—accompanied by a drought—has caused “rolling blackouts and factory shutdowns,” affected livestock, and forced people to cope however they can in the world’s second-largest economy, as The New York Times details. |
…at some point we are going to need to acknowledge the existential threat in front of us.
The house we are in is burning, and yet our most pressing issue this week was a rogue MP manipulating the culture of victimhood and fragile snowflake bigots who lost their shit at a Chocolate wrapper in Māori!
The weather events occurring right now are so outside the norm and are happening far faster than Scientists had feared.
We are in danger and are ill prepared for the reality of that danger.
Globalisation is dead, isolationism is the new black and Fortress Aotearoa is inevitable.
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The scientists predictions have been confirmed. More frequent storms and droughts. Natural or human caused?
It is good if it is human caused then humans can do something about it. If just natural, nothing can be done.
People can make changes as it is human caused. It is a moral dilemma. Peoples moral position and action will dampen the approach to climate chaos.
“It is good if it is human caused then humans can do something about it.”
No they cant. Its the lag in the earth climate system sensitivity + Fossil Fuel capture of politics and science. We are crispy creatures.
My understanding is it was a natural “atmospheric river” phenomenon and nothing to do with Climate Change.
I think we’ll all agree, Dr Sharma’s feelings trump these silly floods.
I know he thinks so!
Have to agree with Dr Sharma.
Agree, Sharmas a bully, ask his staff.
Then please bring on the Pa Aotearoa party, so we have some party worth voting for.
I’ll happy help out in the Kerikeri area with what needs doing.
Nope Martyn — that’s very heavy rain, with very poor urban planning = disaster
Partly agree Nathan. Would have totally agreed if you had added in head in sand self serving financially subservient local, national politicians and don’t give a fuck industrial and agricultural polluters.
Around here we call it “the sin of cheapness.”
Oh wait don’t tell me. It’s something to do with measuring temperatures near airports.
Poor planning is a completely separate issue from the increasing frequency of these weather events.
NOAA disagrees with you.
Wheel — Nelson has experienced ‘once in a lifetime’ rain events at least 5 times in the last 40 years, for example…2018, 2011, 1990, 1986, 1970…so, no climate change is not the cause…as for measuring temperatures at airports, yes, they do…despite the bias that has on increase temperature reading.
Nathan how long have scientists been warning about global warming? They were making documentaries in the early eighties. It’s not the events alone it’s the increasing frequency and veracity that’s the issue. The town planning might be bad but it’s not determining the weather patterns. I guess the plan would be don’t reconsider rebuilding in an area that got one metre of rain in four days.
Wheel — before the early eighties many scientists stated we were heading towards a new ice age due to all the pollution in the air, blocking out the sun’s rays…
That’s a you problem, not an us problem.
Multi facit studies is the only way of modelling planet earth.
As if town planning can.be thought of as temperature.
It’s like saying that the temperature of planet earth is “eighty” degrees. Lolz
In some way wheel you are correct.
Not Nelson but many towns around the world are built on flood plains.
Not that many years ago scientists were predicting a mini ice age.
The flavour at the moment is climate change which covers all bases.
Wheel, good. You are increasingly good at explaining things which we need to think out to balance the blamers and ‘what about the children’ squawkers.
and if it happens again next year is that another ‘once in a lifetime’ event or merely the worst since last years disaster?
Its not an engineering problem. New Zealand produces wold class conquering engineering just look at Team New Zealand. It’s not a failure of engineering and planning at all.
as long as they are consistently measured at 1 place the 4 degree increase in my lifetime is still a 4 degree increase, this has been pointed out wheel so why do you continue to post deliberate disinformation?
So how come “very heavy rain” hasnt been smashing Nelson every year for the last 100yrs?
So how come it didn’t happen last year? Has so much changed since then? Are you predicting it will happen every year from now on? Random extreme weather events in any given place are completely normal. Go and check your history. Climate has been changing for as long as their was a climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods
Why does it have to happen every year? If once in a hundred years is turning in once every five to ten that’s a huge problem
moon_rekt —- the following years recorded so called ‘once in a lifetime’ rain events in Nelson…2018, 2011, 1990, 1986, 1970…they are increasing as poor urban planning allows properties to be build on active flood outlets.
It’s by no means a rare occurrence Nelson has experienced serious flooding for years,urbanisation contributing to the damage.
Wettest winter on record by a mile for a number of South Island locations.
Beavers are not indigenous to New Zealand
Climate Disaster is yet another reason why the State and Local Councils should play a major role in provision of sustainable public houses, apartments, emergency housing & tiny houses for individual homeless.
The capitalist model of home ownership, involving for profit developers, bent building suppliers, thumping great mortgages, and individual insurance, is no longer sustainable for much of the population that do have property, let alone those paying extortionate rents for dumps.
Various Reports have been done on local areas that should not be built on, should be retrenched, or abandoned. But none of the Parliamentary Parties or Local Govt. or Insurance companies have had the guts to widely announce the findings, or who will pay compensation if any.
Insurance on coastal, subsidence ridden and flood plain dwellings, is set to go ballistic and become totally unaffordable for many. Hard decisions have to made from now–not in 20years time.
Local councils can’t get water right, thus 3 waters.
cue the usual numbnuts ‘deniers’ spurious and irrelevant arguments.
some posters here are almost at the level of the gold standard of stupidity…americans
Bit of a stretch gagarin to describe all 330 million Americans in one short sentence.
well bob ask an average american a simple geography question like ‘point to the US on a map….tip if they’re resident in NZ they’re the cream so it doesn’t count
it’s what happens when you DELIBERATLY destroy your education system just like we are….look at america and see our future.
Yes agree we are destroying our education system.
Probably looking at mass Global famine b4 2030. We are nearly there this year with mega heat waves and mega droughts across Europe, China and USA. Near simultaneous collapse of bread baskets coming one year soon.
Northern Hemisphere hit hard bc what happens in the Arctic does not stay in the Arctic.
NZ can do nothing about climate change. Us, like Tonga can do sweet FA. Don’t kid yourselves that we are important enough to matter cos we don’t.
Harsh but true dilema.
So vote for the Greens so we can sacrifice our economy and our living standards so we can feel fluffy.
Bob1st Garn, I think we’ll have to call you Fluffy Bum .
Thanks GW I quite like that.
How are we sacrificing our economy Bob?
Primary industries contribute near 80% of our export earnings.
If we took the route suggested by the Greens it would be shut down.
Agree we need to plan to mitigate but not eliminate.
A lot of work is being done by scientists to find alternative cultivars to help reduce emissions.
I worry that many wish to reduce emissions by not doing things rather than investigate alternatives.
More faith in technology and less over the top reaction.
Bob I don’t think I have seen a greens policy shutting down primary industry. They talk about mitigation and a financial system around polluters in general. Half the bleating Bob is about profit margins not embargo. The ETS is not about banning. I can’t fathom how stupid it is to ingore the impacts of pollution on kiwis now. The water we drink, the air that we are breathing. Forget sea level rise. Air pollution in main centres is costing us the taxpayers, big time. But don’t worry you can move to the countryside and breathe fresh air. Your lungs will be grateful but if that’s on the plains you’ll literally have carcinogenic liquid on tap.
Think we agree.
Dilema
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?? How can you say that? Have you missed the memo that said it’s our job, yes little ol NZ, to singlehandedly save the planet. At all costs…mostly our once great living standards! And once we’re done saving the world, singlehandedly of course, all the real polluting countries, we know who they are, will still laugh at us: Look at those idiots down there and how they’ve regressed…they thought they could save the planet…seriously?
The dilemma is I want to count and be able to count on ten fingers to other people who count on me, and vice versa.
So Dilema as the rest of the developed world moves on over the next decades what are you suggesting? We don’t covert to greener sources for cars etc as the rest of the developed world does? Gee that will work out well.
Dilema didn’t say that.
Bob the interpreter…
Bahahahahaha !
Nah, I blame the fascistic, progressive & economic liberal globalist elite. Fuck the middle class, death wish hegemony wankers.
Very charming.
That’s charming.
I’m sure the woke Matauranga Maori brigade will have some pseudo religious nonsense to spout that they claim trumps science on this issue.
Hey nukefacts.
Interesting way you use WOKE, do really know the definition of woke. It can be used by the anyone who disagrees with you.
So to the Mataurang Maori you are probably a woke Remuera Racist.
Hey Mike
I didn’t see any race suggestion from Nuke. All I see is an argument as to what is science and what is woke. Show us where Nuke was racist. Go on. We’re waiting.
woke Matauranga Maori brigade….pseudo religious nonsense.
While you might have better information on nukefacts the above information in their comment could imply that they have no tolerance for Maori beliefs. It is only circumstantial & maybe we can give them some tolerance unless further comments provide more evidence of their view.
He said probably numbnuts cabbage, not definitely, go on where did he say that, we’re waiting?
I think you mean the likes of all the National party supporters Nuke the facts. They are the ones in denial.
how many crosses have burnt on your front lawn this week? askin for a friend
Fortress Aotearoa will last as long as social collapse takes to unfold. We have already started. Slowly at first but quickly in the end.
Fortress Aotearoa will last as long as social collapse takes to unfold. We have already started. Slowly at first but quickly in the end.
Maori lived on beaches and coastal strips till the great tsunamis killed up to 70% of their population
They then moved to hill top fortresses
People forget history
Matthew 7:24-27 NIV – The Wise and Foolish Builders
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand
NZ still has a lot of habitable land, its just not close to our harbours or beaches
boo hoo you’ll have to live somewhere boring like Grey Lynn
If/when a big tsunami hits the east coast and wipes out hundreds of thousands of people
others will probably move back there in the following years
I blame society
I get a little bit annoyed when I see some of you peeps calling each other stupid just because you disagree with someone. It’s not necessary and just rude so please try harder to be civil.
As for climate change I am old enough to have followed the science since it began and it is quite amusing to remember the dire predictions that used to appear on the IPCC website which have long since been removed. Miami was one of many cities that was going to be under water by 2010.
At that stage 2010 seemed a long way in the future.
There is a wide range of climate science material and there is a global agenda around green finance. That’s two facts so not stupidity.
“Water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink!”
I wonder why? Meanwhile up in Auckland our dams are at 100% full.
Catch water and stop moaning about CC!
our species is scabies on the surface of the planet and climate change is the anti-biotic maybe in a million or 2 years an intelligent cockroach civilisation will be having this debate…but we are over.
Gosh gagarin that’s harsh.
Not saying you’re not correct.
Well Hell, flooding on this scale happened on a regular basis on the West Coast for the last century and wider New Zealand were haooy to ignore it.
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