When will the Palestinian and West Papuan flags fly over New Zealand’s Parliament?

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Last week the Minister of Foreign Affairs Nanaia Mahuta delivered a no-holds-bared attack on Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine.

She described it as “a form of aggression at direct odds with the core values of New Zealanders” and expressed her “resolute support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity”. She spoke of the support parliament had given to Ukraine with “our unanimous motion to condemn Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified bullying”.

Ms Mahuta spoke of the actions the government has taken in response saying “we have banned all goods that could be used by the Russian military and suspended foreign ministry consultations with Russia. There are now travel bans in place on key individuals from Russia and Belarus involved in the invasion against Ukraine, and this list will be reviewed regularly.”

But it didn’t end there. She went on to say the government was “pursuing new measures to target Russian investment, including measures to target financial institutions in New Zealand, including separate, but Russian targeted, specific legislation.”

She said New Zealand, along with 30 other countries, has referred Russia to the International Criminal Court so an investigation can begin immediately into possible war crimes committed in the attack.

She talked about our government co-sponsoring a United Nations General Assembly resolution “condemning Russia’s actions and demanding its immediate withdrawal”. She said the resolution, supported by 141 votes, “shows the incredible demonstration of international solidarity in the face of Russian aggression against Ukraine.”

Nanaia Mahuta ended her forthright, uncompromising defence of human rights for the people of Ukraine by saying “The #Ukraine flag continues to fly on New Zealand’s Parliament, as we the New Zealand Government, and people, stand with the people of Ukraine.”

By any measure this was an impressive response to a serious international situation by the Foreign Minister of a small country on the other side of the world. It should make us proud that we can speak out and be heard in such a fearless manner on issues of such critical importance to humanity.

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Unfortunately, we can’t celebrate this Labour government stance because we know it is so exceptional to the government’s normal approach to invasions, military occupations, attacks on democracy and abuses of human rights.

A friend of mine calls Labour’s response to Ukraine a “blue-eyed” response – meaning that if the victims have blue eyes we will shout our condemnation from the rooftops. If the victims have brown eyes Labour looks the other way.

Take the examples of Palestine and West Papua.

All historic Palestine, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, has been occupied by the Israeli military since 1967 – one of the longest military occupations in modern history. Under Israeli military rule, described as the application of “apartheid policies” against Palestinians by Amnesty International and the US-based Human Rights Watch, Palestinians face daily harassment, ritual humiliation, arbitrary arrest, prolonged detention without trial (children included) and well-documented brutality when they resist their occupiers.

Since 1967 over 20,000 Palestinians have been killed under Israel’s reign of terror. Most of them civilians. Meanwhile the Human Rights Group Defence for Children International says 2021 was the deadliest year for Palestinian children since 2014, as Israeli forces killed 76 Palestinians under 18, 15 of them in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, and 61 in the besieged Gaza Strip.

But instead of condemning Israel and demanding they end their occupation, the Labour government is doing the precise opposite. No condemnation, no boycotts, no bans. Rather than holding Israel to account for war crimes and flagrant breaches of international law the Labour government last month took part in an agricultural summit to “build strategic partnerships” with Israel and thereby assisted this apartheid state in the exploitation of stolen Palestinian land. The Labour government is actively complicit in Israeli war crimes.

Our Pacific neighbour West Papua has been occupied by the Indonesian military for even longer, since 1962, and a more savage, unforgiving occupier would be hard to find. But look for any Labour government statements on Indonesian war crimes or standing in solidarity with the people of West Papua and you won’t find a murmur. No tweets, no media releases, no solidarity, nothing!

Alongside eye colour, the other critical factor is that the Labour government calls out human rights abuses to a US agenda. Labour is happy to condemn Russia and China for example and pass parliamentary motions condemning their brutality but turns a blind eye when US allies such as Indonesia and Israel run occupying regimes of murder and mayhem against West Papuans and Palestinians.

The Labour government has not shown courage in dealing with Ukraine. It has been easy to join the crowd of international condemnation and proudly fly the Ukrainian flag over our parliament.

But when will Labour fly the Palestinian or West Papuan flags over parliament?

70 COMMENTS

  1. New Zealand flying the Ukraine flag is just this country following the same path of antagonism towards Russia since the 1870s when we had our first “Russian scare”. How is it that we can be so far away from Russia but have had cold war relations with that country for almost all of our history? It’s because we are part of the Anglo/British alliance and where Britain and the United States go, we follow. There’s nothing principled about this stand.

    • Quite so ep.
      This so called “the whole World is against Russia” turns out to be only the blue eyed nations….. that’s only 20% of the Worlds population. The Anglo/American Empire fans. The rest of the World is watching with intense interest as to how this turns out for the USA.

    • Right on the point ep, every word. We get so emotional, when we choose, about poor little …some country… and we only have to look at Chile for an example when you go against USA foreign policy plans for your own country. They come and practice war maneouvres here, also a little in the nature of rescue to make it look good, I would think. But we are under the thumb, Keith Locke has been marked down ny our intelligence for being a stirrer since he was about 11 years of age. Australia will keep us in line. They own our banks and soon our fuel supplies and can apply pressure when they decide it’s appropriate for the English speakers.

    • So your words confirm that New Zealand as an Anglo/British alliance silently supports the brutality and mistreatment of Palestinians (and historical nations). Because the Anglo crusaders and zionist alliance share the same sickening belief: the Palestinians (and Arabs) are a ‘cursed’ people according to your romanised Bible! (While many Jews and NZ Europeans are against these claims). So these brutalities are justified because you believe that your romanised God punishes and curses people, but it was the horror and terror of the Anglo/British alliances that brought hell to other nations in the name of a faith that destroys and robs people then claim the lord saved them, cursed? So no difference than how the biggest and worst terrorist act in human history, the hiroshima-and-nagasaki-bombs that were dropped in the name of Christ, led by the Anglo forces.

  2. Thank you John .I share your scepticism and disgust.Who the hell to vote for?
    Voting for Labour and the Greens is like a vote for US foreign policy .I would have thought Mahuta who declared the rights of indigenous peoples is dear to her heart would be defending the Palestinians.
    The trouble is there is no one to vote for.Unless Chris Leitch gets his arse into gear or the Maori party gets a spine

  3. Well done John. It’s truly sickening to witness not only the hypocrisy of our politicians, but also that of our media (now subsidized by our tax dollars) which spews the propaganda and suppresses the truth, to deliberately deceive us. Having learnt nothing from history, of the lies told to justify war after war, from the Maori wars to Afghanistan, our gullible fellow citizens go along with the nonsense. More than sickening, it’s criminal, and Nanaia Mahuta, of all people, should be truly ashamed of herself

    • absolutely agree. Only the Maori Party and the Greens have anything vaguely resembling a law and human rights based foreign policy. First move should be to separate Foreign Affairs and Trade into independent ministries – at the moment, trade Trump’s all…..

  4. This is fascinating for its chilling relevance.
    Russell Brand.
    “As Facebook changes its policy to allow praise for Ukrainian neo-Nazis, is this a further example of the double standards of censorship as well as our collective short memories? ”
    https://youtu.be/NiRXysVrJ-s

  5. Why would NZ recognize a terrorist entity? There is no Palestine and no Palestinian flag. It’s the Jordanian flag with the star missing.Jordan is the Palestinian state.

      • The Assyrians called the same region “Palashtu/Palastu” or “Pilistu,” beginning with Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab in c. 800 BC through to an Esarhaddon treaty more than a century later. Neither the Egyptian nor the Assyrian sources provided clear regional boundaries for the term.

        The term “Palestine” first appeared in the 5th century BC when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a “district of Syria, called Palaistinê” between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories. Herodotus applied the term to both the coastal and the inland regions such as the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley. Later Greek writers such as Aristotle, Polemon and Pausanias also used the word, which was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus. The word is not found on any Hellenistic coin or inscription, and is first known in official use in the early second century AD.
        Around the year 390, during the Byzantine period, the imperial province of Syria Palaestina was reorganized into Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda and Palaestina Salutaris. Following the Muslim conquest, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration generally continued to be used in Arabic.
        The use of the name “Palestine” became common in Early Modern English, was used in English and Arabic during the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem. The term was used widely as a self-identification by Palestinians from the end of the 19th century onwards. In the 20th century the name was used by the British to refer to “Mandatory Palestine,” a territory from the former Ottoman Empire which had been divided in the Sykes–Picot Agreement and secured by Britain via the Mandate for Palestine obtained from the League of Nations.

        • So before the 20th C, only Herodotus referred to any part of Jordan as within Palestine, and only a part of it – that of the East Bank of the Jordan River (south of Galilee to Dead Sea).

    • The star of David was founded in Prague by rabbis in the 17th century and a flag was invented based on freemasonry. David never had a star and symbolism is true Judaism is prohibited. And here you are, objecting to why Palestine does not have a flag, so that is the justified reason for a false fabricated nationality of Zionism to invade and persecute Palestinians for over 70 years? It is rather embarrassing that the Zionist state intention to colonise has gone wrong and they haven’t succeeded in the colonisation of Palestine, it’s been 74 years, such a disgrace.

    • Exhibit A when Israel is accused of being an apartheid state, the open and blatant discrimination against partners of Israelis who are Palestinian Arabs.

      • Exhibit B: Israel is surrounded by countries where the closed and discriminatory Islamic code which allows polygyny and forbids marriage between Muslims and infidels applies. The religious law operates also in Gaza and the West Bank and although polygyny is forbidden under Israeli law Muslim men find plenty of ways around that prohibition, as Pakistani New Zealander Yasir Mohib evinced in Auckland a few years back.
        Note that the Palestinian code violates Article 16 of the UN’s Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.

          • Good news ,,,, after a Amnesty report from the year 2000,,,,Israel was forced to amend its laws,,, which at that time were ……

            “Slavery and the buying and selling of persons are not criminal offences. The Ministry of Justice is reportedly in the process of drafting a provision to criminalize the buying and selling of persons.”

            …. and . ” Trafficking of women to Israel is not illegal. Section 202(b) of the Penal Code makes it a criminal offence to instigate a woman voluntarily or involuntarily to leave Israel with the intent that she should “practise prostitution abroad ,,,quoted from page 11 of the Amnesty report linked to here https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/017/2000/en/

            Hopefully Amnesty’s latest report on Israel,,,,, helps get them to remove their present bad laws enforcing Apartheid, Racism and discrimination,,,, the ones creating their own unterJew citizens and non-citizens, ,,,,, below-Jews.

          • You misunderstand (Anne-Zion???) reason. Let me explain. Arabs are fine, lovely people. As long as they reject bigoted Islamic rules that allow killing of apostates and blasphemers, honour-killing of (mainly) women, dhimmitude, aHadith Jew hatred, the adulation of Adolph, Hamas and their genocidal charter, the hideous cultural practices of FGM, female inequality, polygyny, consanguineous marriage, sex slavery and the jizya welfare scam endorsed by Anjem Choudary. Oh and Islamic terrorism and jihad of course.
            And where is resident scold aom when he’s needed to call you out on deflection. Or is it only me that he chastises. Can I claim misogyny victim status like you claim Muslim victim status?

            • Anne, this post is about Palestinian and West Papuan flags. Here you are using Islam and expressing your deep hatred towards Muslims. A sad move that you are now sounding like the Christchurch attacker! Shame on you. Your weak argument of using outlaws and criminals that most people know that they’re politically driven (and proxy funded) who resorted to violence for politics and you Anne, tried to link it to Islam, that was a cheap failed move. Because your sources/citations are likely to be from medieval paranoid propaganda that corrupt crusaders and later Zionists heavily promoted through the media to bring fear to the world. But more people have woken up from the lies, more Jews are standing up with the Palestinians against Zionism and more Israeli soldiers are exposing this non-Jewish entity of Zionism https://breakingthesilence.org.il Why don’t you do verifiable research from the Department of Christian-Muslim relations at the University of Birmingham? Instead of resorting to far-right ChCh attacker beliefs? Did you not know that Islam liberated women from slavery, who were given the property right? Did you not know that Islam was a threat to the male-dominated cultures of Arabia, until this day? You are merely using social issues from war-torn families living in low-income socio conditions! So that is the cheap shot you used? Nice try, but it’s really sad how your hatred is now exposed on this post. Have you not realised even the British monarch and well-respected Jewish scholars recognise Muslim achievements in history? Published by the National Geographic: https://1001inventions.com and https://muslimheritage.com Islam surpassed religion over a thousand years ago and flourished into a civilisation, arts
              music, food, heritage, customs and ethnicities, that is why you believe Arabs are lovely (because they weren’t before Islam), this makes your weak poor arguments redundant. Because, Anne, you have a lot to explain to how Israel uses verses from your Old Testament to justify and normalise their crimes against a helpless people for over 70 years! Zlonlsts and the IDF justify their crimes by re-using this biblical verse against Palestinians:
              Ezek 9:6:
              “Slay utterly old & young, maids & little kids”. The regime of Zlonlsm and the lDF re-uses biblical verses against Palestinians:
              Numbers 25:17,31:1-2,7,15-18:
              “KlLL the Midianites, men, lnfants & women”. Zlonlst IDF re-use biblicaI verses to justify kiIIings of innocent Palestinians:
              Esther 8:11, 9:1-19
              “Kill all women & children”. Zlonlsts kiII Palestinians re-using Jewlsh scripture:
              Joshua 6:21,8:24-27,10,11:11,14,21-22 “kiIIed and destroyed everyone and left none breathing”. This is why the Zionist IDF feel comfortable with their distorted moral justification for killing innocent Palestinians even before 1948. They justify their killings using Jewish scriptures to justify and moralise their actions. Zlonlsts hijacked the holocaust and Judaism, using these as anti-semitism shields, while they mislead Jews. Even Crusaders reused these verses with their military crimes on Jews, Muslims, Māoris, American Indians, Japanese, Aborigines, Africans & Indians. God would never make such instructions! Corrupt historical leaders edited these verses to justify invasions, normalising it as ethical to their generals for political gains then and even for now. And many Jews and Christians do not agree with these fabricated biblical verses that were inserted and used by the corrupt leaders. lsraeI is a false nationality (a holy name robbed from Jacob), invented by Zlonlsm who hijacked Jewish texts and gave false promises of a false state to illegal migrant Jews before and after the holocaust. Shame on the false fabricated nationality of the Zionist state who hijacked Judaism and fed on Palestinian retaliation for misleading Public Relations agendas. The real iron curtain the Zionists and their corrupt Arab allies are showing its cracks now, they can no longer use anti-semitism and the holocaust to shut any media group or anyone who criticises Israel. ZIonIsts educate the world using media (media hijacked by pro Zionist lawyers) to brainwash people that Islam and Muslims are violent; terrorist cells were funded by CIA/Mossad to cover up Zionist evil doings. My post will surely hunt and provoke your ill-informed act. Have a good afternoon and let me know when you’re travelling to Rome to take the govt to court, happy to make donations for your trip : )

              • QI: Well then you must first wag your little scold finger, stamp your little feet and go reprimand reason. For it was he that went off topic by claiming I have hate networks here and inferring I think Muslims uncivilised. Just as you now accuse me of “deep hatred” towards Muslims and sneakily attempt to link me to far right nazis and the violent killer Brenton Tarrant when I point out some of Islam’s bigoted doctrines.
                FYI I will not allow either you, reason or any other dissimulating pillock to make cheap shot, ad hominem attacks on me. I am not Jewish, nor is the Old Testament “mine”. I attack religious bigotry where ever I find it, despite attempts by Islamists to reinstitute blasphemy laws under the guise of hate speech legislation. Oh and fatwas, lest we forget Salman Rushdie.
                Now scuttle on back to your racist Protocols honey before I expose the rest of your fallacious propaganda.

                • Anne, seems like my posts have pinched all the nerves in you, so everything and anything you ever say is wasteful.
                  I will leave you to reflect on this famous biblical verse:
                  “…cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Matthews 7:5.
                  Good day : )

        • Seriously? You think if the Japanese invaded New Zealand and attempted to colonise it they will not receive hostility from New Zealand? Or even Australia? The Zionists invaded Palestine, backed by western powers, and you’re using Islam as an excuse? By the way, so that you increase your education, polygamy is abused culturally while abusers dismiss the strict Islamic principles behind it (such as your AD1066 Saudi Arabia), a principle example, a man cannot marry a second wife without the permission of the first wife (obvious answer), and polygamy is only permissible under extreme societal conditions, i.e. if most men died from wars. Also, how many Muslim men have more than one wife today? Compared to how many western men who have mistresses, while the over 90% of clients who use private escorts and massage parlours services are ‘married’ or ‘attached’ men, whereas, the remainder are single men who couldn’t score on a Friday night.
          Why don’t you read the old testament and its supporting letters, and then you’ll find polygamy to be abundant.

          • Nikah mut’ah is a very interesting alternative to western style prostitution isn’t it. How many men use that sneaky practice to abuse and dishonour Muslim women?
            You obfuscate about polygyny (there is no such thing as polygamy in Islam, the taking of more than one spouse is not an option given to women.) It has been prevalent at all times in all Islamic societies, along with the permissible sex slavery. The latter also being “culturally abused” as the white, working class girls of England know to their cost.
            You ask how many Muslim men have more than one wife? We’ll never know because anybody brave enough to do research into how many Yasir Mohib’s New Zealand has would be branded as Islamophobic and closed down. We all know that. But fyi Europe is now flush with Muslim men and their multiple wives, including child brides and Hizb ut Tahrir in Australia are calling for legalised polygyny. How long before the suggestion is raised here would you say?

            • The Gloravale fanatics do not represent the good intended Christians in our New Zealand communities, but will you still claim Gloravale represent Christianity? If not, then why are you dismissing most good intended Muslims in the community? If your hatred is simmering so much towards Muslims, then why don’t you go and get yourself a nice cup of tea, perhaps that will ease the deep hatred you carry on your shoulder; find a lovely Arab family and ask them why and what made them lovely.

              • Feeling a bit hormonal? That usually brings out the hatred accusations so fewer ad hominems and more debate please. There are many questions you have deflected from answering. Start with Nikah mut’ah.

      • Exhibit B: Israel is surrounded by countries where the closed and discriminatory Islamic code which allows polygyny and forbids marriage between Muslims and infidels applies. The religious law operates also in Gaza and the West Bank and although polygyny is forbidden under Israeli law Muslim men find plenty of ways around that prohibition, as Pakistani New Zealander Yasir Mohib evinced in Auckland a few years back.
        Note that the Palestinian code violates Article 16 of the UN’s Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.

        • ISIS allows christian women to be kept as sex slaves ,,,,,, yet Anne-Zion WILL NOT admit Israel support and use of such terrorists is WRONG
          https://youtu.be/8clMNOmX_kk?t=188

          People can judge Annes motives for Repeatedly not doing so by themselves,,,,,,

          Same for her exclusive quoting of last century’s Hamas charter ,,, and then pretending Hamas Kindergarten teachers and other civil servants are terrorists ,,,,

          She’s much like gaby but a little more clever ,,

          ,,, even though she can’t even learn two simple words ‘Fully Furnished’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX8oChavStk

    • ,,,,” a captive Russian soldier is forced to shout “Glory to Ukraine!” This is the first part of the military salute widely used by Ukrainian nationalist SS units during World War II, the full version is “Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!”. The soldier keeps silent, threats can be heard in the background that he is about to be shot, after which the wounded man utters “Glory to Ukraine, Glory to Russia”. Frustrated shouts and insults are heard in the background.” https://southfront.org/difference-in-treatment-of-captives-and-fortitude-of-the-russian-soldiers-videos-18/

      “Glory to Ukraine!” This is the first part of the military salute widely used by Ukrainian nationalist SS units during World War II, the full version is “Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!”.

      I bet ‘James (black-face?) Brown’ supported the police with BLM ,,,

      Glory to the Nazis ,,, eh james white

  6. When Oh Lord? Can we give a majority percentage of agitation and anxiety 51.1% to them and the rest to angst and disgust over Russia and Ukraine. West Papua and Palestine are real places not just entities on a reality tv show or offshore from The Lost Island.

    In a recently heard discussion between a Russian and a Ukrainian, many Russians don’t regard Ukraine as a truly separate country – it is a 401. Whatever that is. Perhaps we can force Ruskaine to pull their various forces back and discuss, with heart. (If you want to know where ask and I’ll find out.)

    • ex kiwi
      You may have Ukrainian friends but when it comes to how to regard countries you have to think along lines that are adult, knowledgeable, strategic and not simplistic.

      • ….. Yes,,,,,Ukraine was rated as being more corrupt than Nigeria in 2015 ,,,,, somehow in the 3 years that Hunter Biden was given his $50,000 per month ‘ghost job’ at the Ukraine energy company ,,,,, Ukraine got rated as LESS corrupt.

        I’m not sure how that works …. https://youtu.be/at_o56Kbzdk?t=43

  7. Last week the Minister of Foreign Affairs Nanaia Mahuta delivered a no-holds-bared attack on Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine.

    She described it as “a form of aggression at direct odds with the core values of New Zealanders” and expressed her “resolute support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity”. She spoke of the support parliament had given to Ukraine with “our unanimous motion to condemn Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified bullying”.

    What are our core values? The United Nations calls us out for so much? John Key seems to have set us up to be a assets parking lot under secrecy so chancy money can hide under a rock. NZs as resolute, honest capable people? Advertising our country and water as 100% okay, The water so often dirty, the ground polluted with asbestos, flame retardants, etc. Education bodged. Living in the miasma of the early 1900s with electronic bells and whistles. And treating our children badly, refusing to ensure we have strategic resources like essential housing as needed. Paying big sums to overseas people to work for us and show us the latest dodgy practices. Smarming to the wealthy from overseas and being willing to sell our various taonga and strategic businesses to them, regarding it as an advantageous deal. It’s like finding your way through an old London peasoupy fog which used to come inside and hang about he high ceilings of the old gracious houses there. You couldn’t get away from its effects; dismal look and smell.

    Those core values?

  8. This is human nature, and you will have to understand it as such. People who seem more “like us” are, naturally, more likely to get our sympathy. Educated intellectuals have a whole-humanity view, and that is admirable. But the realpolitik of the situation is, for the majority, the attractiveness of likes; hence the Ukraine response. C’est la vie.

  9. Collective security multilateralism explains the why (as to flag flying) we would – neither Palestine nor Western Papua are nation state members of the UN. Nor is Taiwan.

  10. When the Palestinians acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state, renounce their intention to destroy that state and are prepared to return to the negotiating table to work in good faith towards a two-state solution of course.

      • Are they the homes stolen from the Judean and Samarian Jews by those you claim to be the indigenous people of Palestine during the Severus ethnic cleansing of the land?

      • Are they the homes stolen from the Judean and Samarian Jews by those you claim to be the indigenous people of Palestine during the ethnic cleansing of the land under Severus?

        • What does the politics of over 2000 years old has anything to do with Palestinians today? Punishing them for 70 years does not help. So if you object to what ‘Severus’ did, and you want to stand up to what occurred over 2000 years ago, then go to Rome, (Italy today) and take them to court!!
          I’ll even donate to your legal costs.

          • The Jews of Judea and Samaria were dispersed and had their lands and “fully furnished” homes stolen duh. And those who remained were colonised again in the seventh century. Didn’t the Protocols mention it?

    • You mean when Zionists (who robbed the ancient Jewish identity) acknowledge their brutal invasion and ethnic cleansing crimes of Palestinians for over 70 years. Renounce their intention to destroy the Palestinian heritage and identity, to dismiss their belief that Palestinians are a cursed nation according to their old testament? Sabotage every negotiation on that table?
      The great shame is the zionist plan fell apart, their colonisation has gone wrong and their false fabricated nationality is immuned from international condemnation and disintegration of this nazi-like regime, by using antisemitism and the holocaust as immunity. You appear to be disinformed and deluded by the false information that was planted. Go and read the ‘protocols of the elders of zionism’ from 1903, then you’ll see why it’s no longer a laugh, because everything that was written, came true, hijack Judaism, use it to dominate financial systems, extort superpowers and mislead the Jewish people and the rest of the world.

      • You do appear to be quite ignorant of the origins of Muslim antisemitism which underpinned Fuhrer al-Husseini’s terror activities in the 1920s and 30s, the 3 Arab wars against a fledgling Israeli state, subsequent intifadas and the Hamas Charter don’t you. You need to go read some much earlier history than the Protocols. I suggest the seventh century ethnic cleansing of Jews from Saudi Arabia followed by the 1066 pogrom of Granada. That latter does undermine the prevailing narrative of a splendid civilisation embodying multiculturalism, tolerance and convivencia which supposedly thrived in al-Andalus.

        • Oh dear, Anne, there was no Saudi Arabia in 1066, I couldn’t stop laughing at your ignorance. Also, you have forgotten that anyone who broke the laws in 1066 was punished by death under any empire during those times, so you decide to single out treachery committed by a network of spies who got caught in the early days of Muslim conquest? You’ve forgotten that the Jewish people were protected by Muslims during medieval times from Christians persecuting Jews. Also, you are getting your wires crossed and confused between: 1. Israel of today, which is a fake and a false invented nationality that robbed the identity of ancient Hebrew people and 2. the ancient Israelites, who have no links whatsoever to today’s very white western backed Zionists. Today’s ‘Israelis’ are illegal white European immigrants from 3 generations of converts led by Zionism, then Arab Jewish minorities who were tricked into immigrating to Israel for safety, and let’s not forget the hispanic and other races who were socio-re-engineered to become the new face of Israel. Zionism misled Jews in it’s early days, and now there are more Jews who voice their objection to Zionism. So leave the Jewish people out of the fake Israel! They would surely object to the corrupt and disturbing movements of Zionisim, who also use Islam and the media as a weapon for fear. Finally, in 1903, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion specifically exposes the proxy war strategies of instigating and fostering Islamic Terrorism to suit their political gains. Read it before you reply.

          • No, it wasn’t Saudi but there was an Arabia “unified” under Muhammad from which Jews, Christians and pagans were killed, cleansed or forcibly converted. And plenty of massacres of these groups followed in the lands of the (now) Middle East, North Africa, Spain, southern Italy and conquered Mediterranean territories.

          • The Dhimmi status was nothing but a protection racket. Where do you think the Mafia got the idea from. Oh you didn’t know the Mafia was formed to repeal the Islamic invasion of Sicily? Are you equally ignorant about the origin of that little yellow star so beloved of the Nazis ….

  11. why ban RT, THINK ABOUT IT, yes it’s pro russian propaganda of course it is but is western resolve so fragile that our own people can be shaken by rt? are our citizens really that piss weak? or maybe there might just be a grain of truth in what they say…it’s like the religious wanting to ban books that challenge ‘faith’ if your faith is so weak it can be destroyed that easily it’s not faith…same goes for the equally propagandist nonsense our media spouts..

    as an armature student of history and I having an interest in period propaganda..the same tired tropes appear generation after generation…the british pathe newsreel channel (not the compilation the raw films)on youtube are a fine lesson in how the more the medium changes the more the cliches stay the same, pick your favorite conflict 1900 to 1980 and see how it was covered AT THE TIME.

  12. Absolutely agree with you John, pretty disappointing having the perfect person to state her views on the military occupation of West Papua and Palestine say zip. These Labour clowns need to be goneburger.

    • Yea put National in, I like their internal fighting, dick pics, black ops,, swear campaigns and they’re still pushing the trickle down theory. Tax cuts that benefit their supporters and make no difference to Kiwis that need help, more of the same as the last 40 years, great move. Most of the comments here are hateful , Kiwis are not the laid back, kind people they once were, just a bunch of big mouthed ill informed, self opinionated, small minded folk with a chip on both shoulders.

  13. The world is all about not being able to take on all the evil at the same time. Witness the freeing up and democratising of Africa (to a certain extent) and Latin America after the end of the Cold War.

    It is out and out hypocrisy re Palestine and West Papua. Undermines all statements about ideals by Labour. I remember laughing myself silly one day when Jacinda expressed her commitment for poverty relief at some public event at the same time as they did nothing on another proposal. But politics always mixes urine with the milk and honey of justice — at best.

    At least we must lean our shoulders in for Falestine and West Papua. Kirk sent a destroyer into the French nuclear testing zone. It guts us out over time otherwise — though time can zag and give you 2 terms out of nowhere.

    80 to 90 years of every century is lazy, dark, self-interested politics, and the rest … the empire of idealists’ light. If FDR can co-opt that vast ( but unaware) plutocracy of America for that empire there is still a slight hope for the species. Mostly down to a strong group and a strong person. That 10 or 20 years of light is necessary to every century. And now there is nothing else. We are an old person given their death sentence by a doctor — there will not be another spring. But it is our duty to fight for the spring and the summer and then the autumn, and on.

  14. Recently the United Nations reiterated that Indonesia is engaging in “child killings, torture and the forced removal of tens of thousands of indigenous people” in West Papua.
    Yet New Zealand continues to not only trade with Indonesia but helps to train and equip its military.
    In 1963, Indonesia invaded West Papua, six years later in 1969 Kissenger installed Suharto to open the country’s forests and mineral wealth for US corporations.
    US company Freeport-McMoRan operates the Grasberg mine in Papua – the largest gold mine and the third largest copper mine in the world.
    The occupation of West Papua receives little international attention due to Indonesia’s ban on foreign journalists.
    The Indonesian government has systematically shipped millions of Indonesian migrants to West Papua to culturally and ethnically eradicate the indigenous people. Today indigenous Papuans represent just 47 per cent, down from almost 100% in the last 50 years.
    Over 500,000 civilians have been killed in the genocide and thousands more have been raped, tortured, imprisoned or ‘disappeared’ after being detained.
    Both the current and previous New Zealand governments have turned a blind eye to this genocide which is happening only about 5 and a half hours flying time from Auckland.

    • Well said!

      The Act of Free Choice was in fact The Act of No Choice!

      It was Indonesia stealing West Papua’s land and natural resources – Gold Oil Gas Silver Timber, etc resulting in the genocide of over 500 000 West Papuan Martyrs by the Indonesian military!

      Australia turns a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of her West Papuan allies, who protected Australian soldiers during World War 2 some of whom paid the ultimate price for doing so, using the heinous Lombok Treaty to do so!

      Jokowi lied when he said he believed in human rights and appointed Wiranto, indicted by the UN for atrocities and crimes against humanity during East Timor’s bloody vote for independence, as his Security Minister!

      IT IS ALL ABOUT GREED!

      SHEER GREED!

      • Your damn right Rosemary McKay ,,, Add to that the present Ukraine war ,,, Invasion of Iraq ,,, destruction of Libya ,,,, the military Industrial complex ,,, etc etc.

        Its all about the corruption that goes with greed,,,,, and corruption should be called what it really is ,,,, Criminality and Criminal behavior.

  15. From the truth, I can’t see why not And truth comes through, though eventually. Where much pain can be endured. Palestine is easy and West Papua is both right and not too much scars economically.

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