Jack Tame is doing the most important journalism right now.
As the middle class Wellington woke scream to send in the military and to replace the Police Commissioner with one that will use extreme force against protestors…
…it is more important than ever that we have rational voices de-escalating things.
Coster is 100% correct, nothing short of batons, teargas, riot police and dogs will shift those protestors after Mallard’s Thursday Stupid Thursday tactics.
Coster does not want too start a civil war, and this is him pushing back against the Wellington Middle Class woke who see Nazis everywhere.
Middle Class Marx 2022
I can’t believe I’m going to have to be the one to say this, but I have to defend the Policing tactics of containment that are being adopted here.
Why don’t we arrest Gangs when they drive a dead comrade to their grave? Why don’t we arrest them when they take over the road? Why don’t we arrest them when they do burnouts?
We don’t do it because the level of force required in a heightened emotional moment would be absolutely over the top for the rule broken.
It’s a Utilitarian approach to Policing and combined with a philosophy of containment and de-escalation the NZ Police are able to Police with consent and trust.
The sudden desire by middle class twitter to define everyone as a Nazi so the Police clubs can go a singing is alarming.
Jack is doing the most important job in public broadcasting right now.
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It may be (Wellington ) journos driving the narrative here, with leading questions for specific outcomes – Polytech journalism popping up for want of alternatives, plus the lamentable shit-stirring which they do to keep their jobs. Nobody normal wants violence.
They need to go home…..the silent majority won’t be silent forever…….
And will the simmering resentment that the occupiers are displaying simply go home with them or will it fester and outbreak somewhere else. The silent majority can threaten all they like. How many will show up with battons and take on their fellow Kiwi’s? Or will you want a full Canadian solution where the state does your dirty work and that drives the resentment underground?
Would it not be better for the silent majority to stop slurping up the government mis-information formulation and wean themselves of the spin-meisters cool aid?
Sorry for the inconvenience but the occupiers are protecting the silent majority freedom as well. Your freedom to be silent. Your freedom to believe the state sponsored mis-information. Your freedom to protest against the occupiers behaviour, Your freedom to call the occupiers overlords to account. Your freedom to protect yourself with a vaccine and mask.
I suggest you read Suzie Dawsons most excellent post “Remembering the Left” also on this blog.
Here tis:
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Yes Coster is right, this whole protest is a “hiding for nothing” for Police and encumbent Politicians.
Police as outlined by Martyn
The encumbent Politicians because they have all failed to remember the first lesson about being effective “you should always listen to the other fellows point of view, they just might be right, only a fool thinks they have all the answers”
Right now all 120 of them look like fools.
They have been in their ivory tower echo chamber bubbles for 2 years now and failed to see what was actually happening to the real people outside.
So now these 120 politicians have to deal with the “river of evil” as Michael Woods describes them camped outside. AND THEY ARE STUMPED
The Police won’t / can’t eject them a combination of lack of resources and will to “jack boot” their fellow citizens
Leave them there and hope they will pack up and go away in time. Hello politicians do you realize that the 2000 odd “permanents” now have 1 Molesworth st as their home address, they have no other home. You politicians have attracted them to Wellington, now you might have find a real solution to homelessness
Even if Jacinda agreed to the demands and dropped the mandates and discrimination, the homeless will remain on the lawn.
Politicians you have dug your selves into a hole with your arrogance, what are you going to do now?
First stop digging and start listening
Excellent.
Clifford, I think the quote was ‘river of filth’,
From Michael Wood, Labour MP for Mt Roskill.
Alan. The “ river of filth “ comment from Wood was appalling. It verged on hysteria, and achieved nothing apart from further antagonising people already opposed to the government. If he’s trying to justify Trevor Mallard, it won’t work
This is a right wing not onlya far right protest. If Luxon, Seymore, Waititi, Pugh, King, Hyde, McKee, Coutts, Alps, cant confront their feral people to tell them to bugger off there is only one option left.
What the media and commentators don’t understand is that Police will not use force while children, babies, disabled and elderly people present. From day one cowardly protesters were encouraging irresponsible mothers to take their babies and children up to the front line among intimidating haka and other lunatics. Even Trump invasion of capitol hill and at Springbok tour protest children/babies weren’t present. Only a fool would recommend a violent removal of protesters using teargas and batons as children, babies and oldies could be badly injured or killed.
Canada has just introduced legislation to make it illegal for children to be at the protest in preparation for a violent end. Any concerned parent wouldn’t expose their tamariki to potential health, safety, hygiene and violence situation. Police need to tow and remove all the vehicles (with the help of the army) first then do the same as Canada to get this over.
Russell Brand did imo a MUST SEE video on this topic today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GnClytz34
He even highlights something about the situation in New Zealand: i.e. that not one single MP has gone out to speak to the protestors (at least not at the time he made that video), Why is that? The left are doing all the things they are supposed to be against! What happened to “defund the police”? What happened to standing up for the working class? What happened to giving everyone a voice? It’s frankly gotten embarrassing.
I hope the powers are tracking the money flow that is backing this protest. I do not think I am being alarmist to say this could be the start of something bigger as Russia and China take action to expand . Covid has been mana from heaven to those that want to split the citizens into various camps . Divide and conquer that is what is happening
I am grateful that we have a level headed pragmatic Police Commisioner in Andy Coster; we owe him a debt of gratitude, stuck between the incoherent rantings of the protestors and those of the Speaker of the House.
Peter Kelly. I agree. If I were Coster I’d suggest that the Speaker retire on health or family grounds to help defuse the current situation, and if the Speaker had any decency he would, and if the PM had whatever it takes, then she might suggest this too. We’ve all made sacrifices for the common good, and it might be Trevor’s turn to do so now. Coster’s measured approach has served us well in quite extraordinary circumstances, and journalists or politicians attempting to blame the police for what has panned out up at Parliament should bear in mind that the public are not all simpletons.
If ever the sense of moving Parliament to Palmerston North needed to be demonstrated …
I see the Cramer Square mob feature some of New Zealand’s finest citizens. Philip Arps, Kyle Chapman, a bunch of Destiny Church thugs amongst them. All out harassing and threatening the public in Christchurch central today. Threatening the organizers of an anti protest group into silence because “Freedom” means the right to protest their point of view but clearly not any opposing views. What beggers belief here is that after watching the developments in Wellington that the police let this group get established in the first place.
Reason and democracy go together like ice and cream. I like that. Maybe that’s one of the factors for America being stuffed.
“These people don’t speak rational, the first requirement”? They don’t have to ‘speak rational’. What you have to hope is that the voices of rationality will outweigh them.
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