New Taxpayer’s Union Poll is out and Labour are doing far better than the punters claim.
LABOUR – 41.2%
NATIONAL – 33%
GREENS – 10.7%
ACT – 11.5%
Maori Party – .5%
NZ First – .9%
Despite all the visceral venom spat at Jacinda for saving us all during Delta, the majority still support Labour.
Luxon’s bounce as leader is already over and ACT are regaining lost momentum.
Greens are running out of puff and the Maori Party vote has collapsed.
NZ First are over on this poll.
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There is a lot to happen before the next election but I feel once people get the feeling there could be a Labour Green coalition they will look at th alternative and if National are strong as a party then a Act National oalition would look the better choice of the two for the good of the country .
So I can vote for one of 6 shades of the same kind of crap. Yah. NZ politics is an intellectual wasteland
Politics reflects the population doesn’t it? We have a dumb, partisan, short-sighted population.
Agree – unelievable
Quite surprised by the poll, but also feel that many Kiwis actually like the closed border NZ.
If you are living here you are getting payrises, job security and plenty of money everywhere. The economy seems to be booming.
In spite of the lobbyists many neoliberal lies are being exposed. Such as, tourism claimed it created 14 billion dollars in income for NZ, but the figures seem to have been fake because since Covid we only lost 1 billion from tourism and there are no tourists.
Meth and contraband is harder to get into NZ which is a good thing.
certainly the low effect of no tourism is a eye opener, makes you wonder how many ‘project x’ will cost
‘y million’ and create ‘z number of jobs’ (most of which will be part time mcJobs) are complete and utter lies…I’m looking at you wellington convention center and the next sports stadium proposal anywhere in the country..
Long may it keep trending that way. I won’t have to feel so guilty ditching them in favour of a potential coalition partner in ’23. Sure as shit they don’t deserve the mandate they were given and which they’ve squandered. Nor will those in this entire household – almost but 1
(Sorry @ Bert. Hopefully you’ll find a cosy little cheerleader possie somewhere in the campaign that pays enough to eat and pay the rent. And maybe even give you a profile as an entrepreneurial influencer influencer in the political space, going forward)
Meh
Oh yay, Hooten’s preferred candidate party. So very, very Left… LMAO
If there was a TRUE left wing party, LINO’s vote would be a LOT less.
Absent an alternative, thery are the ONLY option, being the ‘least dirty shirt’ in the laundary basket.
That is a head scratcher, Labour support still very strong…despite nothing really to show for it…National supporters are slowly waking up…the Greens getting 13 seats in the 2023 election is very doubtful…
Natz can’t be trusted, even less than Labour. So it has become who is weakest, which is still the Natz.
Nathan you are not taking into account the younger youth vote coming onboard who are very aware of the need for the greens social and health/acc policy push and the climate change push which labour are very neo liberal on.
but are they really, that’s the story and it maybe the narrative middle class kids subscribe to, just remember bogans and skinheads vote too(well maybe) .. recent incidences of the ‘youthquake’ vote have been distinctly underwhelming.
And the most part the young and idealistic don’t stay young and idealistic for very long. Before you know it they too are replaced by a younger demographic with weirder music, hairstyles, politics and clothing.
Labour will bounce back further, as soon as it looks seriously like the next Govt being a Labour-Green Coalition, the masses will once more be frightened into giving Labour another majority in 2023, and Jacinda Ardern will be on track to become a 4th term PM, not seen in NZ politics since the days of Keith Holyoake.
Tell him he is dreaming.
I think Keith and his government achieved plenty in their time. And had fairly competent ministers.
Labour this time around. Not so much.
Those were the days when the gNatz had a few half-decent people – socially conservative as they may have been. One or two got corrupted since of course with their assumed status ,leading to convictions even. Others must despair at what’s happened to their glorious party (Bolger. McKinnon, Finlayson et al) – but then fuk ’em – they let it happen.
And yes, we shouldn’t fool ourselves that Labour is actually transformational or progressive in any sense of the word, even though I’m sure a few of them think they are. In fact I KNOW they do!
Full of good intentions at times of course. Maybe a bit too kind to those charged with carrying out policy at times, at the expense of being kind and transformational to those that elected them.
” I have a dream…”
That Chloe Swabrick and Jacinda Adern become leaders of a new coalition government who then let the Truth set us free.
And in so doing there are legal/political inquiries initiated to go back to beyond provincial gubbimints set in motion.
Or?
We’re fucked.
Nah. The gweens is the anomaly.
Denny Paoa. Agree about the Greens, they’re abysmal; Luxon is downright creepy, Maori Party two juvenile jerks. Labour leads by default, but Act will do well if government persists with its plans to cancel freedom of speech in New Zealand.
Nope wrong there.
Standard resettling of the old alliances… Not withstandinding the utterly pointless comment I’m seeing on this site, and other so called “blogs” in NZ, The simple fact is that if covid had struck while The nats were still in, the n the death toll would have been horrendous, and the economy would be utterly munted….
People won’t forget that, or will, until the next wave, and then they will run back to auntie Jacinda begging to be saved… If the NZ electorate behaves as it usually does, with the most impressive depiction of a headless chicken one could imagine, then my only hope is that by then, I will be able to get back into Western Australia, get back on with my life, and forget this country exists… I’m just that ashamed of the depths that are being plumbed on behalf of those who would enslave us, and leave us to die if it suits the political agenda set for them by johnnies owners…. What sort of a shithole does NZ have to turn into before the realisation that the tories ain’t interested in governing for the good of society? My guess is about 5 minutes before the final curtain call (which would be when either the Americans, or China takes the place over as a forward base of operations) The intelligentsia on our right, and the woke heros of the deluded pseudo left will suddenly realise that something is wrong… Geniuses the lot of them!!
Stefan, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out the Door? And if you think Western Australia is a utopia your really delusional, WA has turned dystopian with Vaccines mandates ruled for everyone, Lockdowns & Locked down Borders worse than anything Jacinda can dream up! Their Premier is behaving like a Tyrant, imposing all sorts of draconian shit thats taking away West Australian’s free speech, free choice & free will? But hey if you think the grass is greener in Australia, a Nation that’s becoming a Totalitarian Hellhole, the Nth Korea of the Sth Pacific then all power to you? Be aware, in Australia you run the risk of committing treason for any thought, unspoken or spoken & any actions that run contrary to the Govts narrative? Djokovic found that out the hard way by being deported not because of his Vax status but for committing “Thoughtcrimes” against the Australian Govt, who made unprovable claims that Novak might incite antivax sentiments? Djokovic is a great Tennis player but hardly a Svengali like figure, like David Koresh that could lead Aussies to their doom? Ludicrous reasoning! And in Victoria, a basketball player is being fined under the Electoral Act for criticism about their Premiere Andrews Covid bungles, despite him being a Sportsman not a Politician or a Party? In Australia if you criticise the Govt or cause any dissent, you will be punished & crushed by the State & they use Kangaroo Courts to enforce their agendas to give it a pretence of justice! Good luck mate, you’ll need it in that Authoritarian Country, ruled by PM Dictator called ScoMo & his State henchman Premiere’s!
HE LIED ON HIS VISA APPLICATION…bet your view would be different if it wasn’t around vaxes and he was a bit ‘dusky’ huh?
I am a huge critic of this government’s Covid measures, but the other mob – fcuk no.
Yawn
That (Yawn) was a waste of space! Are you being kept awake against your will or is it that processing the thoughts of others is too hard?
It’s fear Martyn. The stoat is about to enter the hen house. The population has been tutored to believe National will let the virus run rampant. The truth of course is that labour is about to let the virus run rampant. Worse than that we have been educated to believe National is the “ National genocide party “. Cool except that in my experience National may get it wrong sometimes but they actually make decisions and stick by them in a timely way. Opinion only of course. Any advantage Labour has in the polls must be reassessed after Omicron has had its say. The present results are a knee jerk fear reaction that labour will save us and nobody else can. Most lefties know this but would never let the true possibility affect their preferred reality.
Agree
New view,
I’m curious. What is it apart from potential political bias that proves to you the Ardern Government is about to let Omicron run rampant?
All I’ve ever seen from tag team partners Ardern and Bloomfield over the last two years is an extremely cautious approach that some folk have been highly critical of. Nobody on the planet has been able to stop this variant. Ardern has already stated based on scientific fact and hard evidence that she can’t stop it either. Their approach is to try and slow it down to try and avoid it overwhelming us especially our health system. Most would agree that is a prudent and pragmatic approach under the circumstances. On what planet does that amount to allowing the virus to run rampant?
My sincere belief is that Omicron has already been in the community for over a week and we are about to see an explosion in new positive cases before the end of January. In reality, our health system and those within it will be overwhelmed and there is virtually nothing Ardern can do at this time to stop it. That shipped sailed some time ago. Slowing Omicron is our best and only hope.
Buckle in and prepare yourself for thousands of new daily cases with all the implications that presents.
I listened to National Party leader Christopher Luxon yesterday attempting to score points and feel grateful he is not in charge. He’s in no mans land and well out of his depth. A genuine liability.
“Christopher Luxon yesterday attempting to score points and feel grateful he is not in charge.”
My first reaction on reading that was to ask myself why Luxon would feel grateful he is not in charge; but then I realised you’d merely left out a comma.
Thinking Man. It’s not so much that the Ardern Government is deliberately letting the virus run rampant ,they have no option. Their red light system is not fantastic planning because it’s the only option when the state of our ICU Capacity along with general hospital beds Is so dire. Lefties believe National would do nothing. Absolute BS. They may be late starters but in my opinion they actually do stuff. Even Judith Collins said she wouldn’t tolerate the virus getting away in the community but you lot would never accept she would have acted appropriately simply because it suits you to believe otherwise. Whatever Ardern does she knows it’s inevitable the virus will go through the community. It would be no different with National. If you’re not trying to run a business under this regime you won’t care, but in my opinion JA shows a disregard for those businesses that keep this country afloat. Small businesses that have been kicked around to keep those who do nothing happy. You can always find an argument to oppose so go ahead and vote for Jacinda again. She will save you in amongst the smouldering ruin of this indebted country. So far they have hidden the bad times. You will always wonder why she didn’t do more and the answer will be with a fucked economy and massive debt you can do nothing. But many won’t mind just so long National isn’t governing.
but they could find the money to shovel to corporations..no they make active choices on where to spend and never is it to help ordinary NZers…
and yup our personal household debt is horrendous.. china owns all our bitch asses already….until the mortgage is paid off on a million dollar home all you own is a million dollar debt and a bank for your pimp.
I suppose at the end of the day who would the right replace Ardern and Bloomfield with…. I’m waiting?
TM. JA can’t stop the virus running rampant unless the whole country is locked down in a level four scenario like we had previously. Red traffic light will only limit the size of gatherings and in my opinion that won’t make much difference. It’s going to spread fast. Once it gets going what happens at the border won’t matter. National wouldn’t do much different except maybe loosen border restrictions and stop the misery. The virus won’t care how open the border is because it will be happily spreading anyway.
New view,
I’m not a big supporter of the traffic light system. It’s confusing for a good percentage of the population and that’s not good when clarity is essential. Ardern and Bloomfield are owning the fact our traffic light system was built around the vaccine efficacy. With Omicron invariably going straight through the vaccinated population around the Globe, the traffic light system as it stands will not get the job done v Omicron. Without wishing to be wise after the event I feel we should have just stuck with the alert level system that almost everyone understood.
I was once a strong supporter of Ardern based on her considerable intellect and her compassion for people over $$. At times I felt vindicated with that support. Her handling of the Christchurch massacre was superb. The respect and love shown toward the victims and their loved ones was considerable at their time of greatest need. I also believe her actions prevented the usual nutjob retribution acts.
I have mixed feelings about her Covid handling that has received widespread acclaim. We were in a very fortunate position in early 2020. We are a relatively wealthy country and had a massive advantage of seeing the way lockdowns had worked in other countries prior to it unfolding here. Even blind Freddy could see it was clear at the time that a lockdown worked best when it was put in play as soon as possible hence the bla bla bla “we went hard and we went early”. We mostly gave support where it was needed. The best way to describe NZ’s response to Covid at that time was successful.
Since then I see things differently. The farcically slow vaccine rollout in the first half of 2021 when we were gifted the opportunity to get ahead of the virus was an epic blunder and the squandering of previous good work from us all. Then came that moment in July 2021 when we learned after a positive case that only 10% of Tauranga port workers were in fact vaccinated and Ardern / Bloomfield were blissfully ignorant about this. Both of these factors contributed to the outbreak that followed and the length of it. There has been a catalog of errors since. Much of what followed was often good luck with dodging bullets. I’m convinced that had Ardern / Bloomfield put their weight behind an education campaign about Covid and the Vaccine we would have a far more inclusive NZ at this time. It would have combated the relentless online misinformation crusade and removed the need to keep droning on about getting vaccinated like we were all a bunch of halfwits. Ardern chose the “instruction” rather than the “educate” option. Yes, we now have an impressive percentage of the population vaccinated but we also have a divided country that has created a platform for dickhead eggplants like Pope Tamaki to thrive. This was predictable and totally avoidable. An epic fail.
Ardern appears to have not factored in the mistrust of politicians many people have. We are also seeing more examples of the public being fed a narrative by Ardern she appears to try and brainwash you with. I now treat most things she says with a level of suspicion.
I’m now more disillusioned with Ardern than I ever have been since she became PM. Her handling of the housing situation is nothing short of an epic failure for huge numbers of New Zealanders. Despite previous promises all Ardern has achieved with housing is to oversee a diabolical situation to remarkably get even worse and to preserve the most outrageous inequity I’ve ever witnessed in NZ.
Ardern’s saving grace has been the complete lack of a viable alternative. I don’t anticipate any change in that area prior to 2023.
As for Judith Collins. My trust of everything Ardern does or says is between 20 and 25%. My trust in Judith reached a high of 1% but that was just a brief respite from the long standing 0%. Nothing to do with political bias. Her praying in front of the cameras in a church during the 2020 election campaign was the epitome of her authenticity. If Judith ever supported anything Ardern had said or done it always appeared to be 100% self interest. To critique something the majority of Kiwis were supporting would only serve to further undermine her own relevance. Judith is a few things but stupid is not one of them. Her ongoing reliance on the despicable Cameron Slater was a woeful indictment of her that showed the Dirty Politics Judith was still alive and well.
As a footnote. I see the inevitable with Omicron has occurred.
I will make an adamant prediction. Whatever optimistic statements Ardern makes today about schools etc etc will all be changed in the weeks ahead as Omicron takes hold and numbers explode out of control with all the implications that come with that.
Whatever National would do is based on what has happened, the situation as it is. What they do would not be based on what things would’ve been like if they’d been in all along.
The open borders, no lockdowns and open doors the crazy Kiwiblog klan wanted didn’t happen. So they are alive, here to pontificate about how brilliant everything would be with Luxon (or whoever the National leader was) in charge.
Once the National ‘Grand Plan’ had been instituted, carved in stone, it would not have evolved and changed with changing circumstances. Set in stone, “This what we said, so that is what we’re doing, exactly, following the recipe.” How do I know that? Because of the carping, criticism and whingeing which happened every time the present Government rolled to adapt to the changing situation.
No humans would have cocked anything up in MIQ. Workers would have been perfect, clients even more so. Mind you the human element would not have been in play with no MIQ.
“The population has been tutored to believe National will let the virus run rampant?” The population heard the ongoing bullshit from National supporters from the beginning. They weren’t going to die, it was going to be someone else they were prepared to sacrifice with a ‘hands off let things take their course’ approach.
Having said all that maybe the National approach would have been fun. Mike Hosking sure showed the thinking.
Week 1: Copy Australia’s approach.
Week 3: Copy Singapore’s approach because Australia’s thing is not so good.
Week 4: We have to copy Finland’s approach because they’re always on to it.
Week 5: What’s this? Look what Sweden’s doing, we’ll copy them.
Week 6: Wow, look how well Taiwan’s doing, we’ll follow their plan!
Week 7: Aussies always leave us in the dust, look at their success, we should go with what they’re doing.
Week 8 – Week 89: And so on, and so on….
Brilliant Peter, so Hosking admits he’s a follower.
From the start of the pandemic the Tories, right wing media and bloggers and commentators, talkback hosts, and all those other grumpy old men have forecast doom and gloom, death and economic disaster, blaming Jacinda as a massive failure. On the contrary, those losers have been 100% wrong and Jacinda has nearly been faultless except for the 52 deaths from Covid-19 but compared to the rest of the world she is still the best leader in the world at protecting and saving her citizens – Aotearoan/NZer lives. Aotearoa has been lucky – Lucky that the hopeless Nat/Act right wing coalition and their speculator supporters were not our Government following NSW, Sweden, Taiwan, UK, etc and opening up MIQ. None better than Jacinda and the Labour party to be in the trenches with at such a time like now with Omicron looming.
But National did run a petition.
Meh. 52 plays 45. 4 point swing. National steady in the 30s and Act shadowing the Greens. Usually a dead cat bounce for the incumbent during the holiday. Not a bad result for the right in most respects.
Son of Megatron strain about to swoop in like a giant seagull shit.
Forget Labour, how would the right run the country/ covid Frankie… a serious question?
pretty much as crappily as does Labuor.
also, get ready to live with Covid. Everyone get ready to live with Covid, and run another poll in say 6 weeks.
It will depend on the spread. The concern I have is this thing hits big time around the middle of winter. Coupled with supply shortages and rising interest rates – could be a shit storm at the time when most people get the collective shits (i.e. mid August).
There seems a desire to flatten the curve which based off my limited knowledge of omnishambles seems a dangerous ideology if the rest of the world has given up the ghost outside of China
Would be roughly the same to about now. Following > 90% I’m fairly sure they would have let it rip ala the Eastern Seaboard of Australia. Time will tell what is the better result in regards to a crashing wave quickly subsided OR a flatten the curve restriction-laden approach.
One things for sure – NZ now longer has a ‘can-do’ attitude. Aotearoa has a can’t do (abundance of caution) attitude now.
A very pleasing result.
It really says how little we care about each other. Proof that if you give money away you can buy anything.
The labour government have just over 12 months with which to tackle the issues such as housing, roading, and healthcare, and then they will need to start campaigning for the 2023 General Election. Unfortunately one cannot really envisage the government making very much progress with these issues, as the government is concerned with the pandemic and boggled down in its details.
This second labour term would have to be a period of time in which we have had the least amount of coverage on these other issues, and what labour have budgeted for in every budget since they were elected in 2017 has done very little for the average New Zealand person and average New Zealand family. Promises have been broken left, right & centre. Benefits have been raised at the expense of the hard workers on low incomes, the bulk of whom have now had to shoulder over two decades of financial inequity.
This pandemic has cost us all. It originated in China and yet the sanctions on that country by our country, let’s say it slowly and sound it out, New Zealand, have been near to nil. The middle class is effectively stuffed, ever the more so because of the stalls and delays over social housing. The tax system has never been straightened out. The businessmen and property speculators are up to three times wealthier post pandemic than they were before it struck.
Who has taken accountability? Them, the wealthy? No. Those, the lawmakers? No. There, the enforcers? Not a chance. It is the young, the newest generation of New Zealand citizens, who pay the price in substandard housing, roading, and public services including health and housing. It is unfortunate but true.
Until a new left wing alternative is formed and makes it into parliament I refuse to support any of the current traitors in this current poll in a general election.
I will not be responsible for encouraging their deception by voting for any of them.
The relief is palpable.
As a long term Socialist , I am very very concerned by the agendas of the current government. Wake up Sheeple before it’s too late. Be Afraid ! Be Very Afraid !
I’ve voted Labour for over 40 years. However, I cannot see myself endorsing any of the present shower of
s*-te. The rich get richer etc and we face serious racial division mostly based on the greed and BS of the usual bunch of unelected elite and their cohorts. How much does the the mass of maoridom benefit after the elite few have had their snouts in the trough. Let’s have more transparency and less revisionist crap.
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