There is a point is there not that after all the attempts to get people vaccinated and all the messaging and promotion – after that, if you still don’t get vaccinated and then you catch it and die, that’s not really on us anymore.
If you are too stupid or pig headed to get the vaccination, your death is on you and we shouldn’t have to waste ICU space on you.
I will defend your right not to get the vaccine while protecting my right to laugh at you when you die.
The problem of course is that the real collateral damage here even at 90% vaccination will be Maori, Pacifica, Old & Poor who will pay the true cost of opening up the borders and moving back to ‘normal’…
COVID-19 Delta modelling shows 7000 deaths per year in New Zealand with 80 percent vaccination rate
Modelling shows even if New Zealand reaches a COVID-19 vaccination rate of 80 percent, there would still be 60,000 hospitalisations and 7000 deaths per year, without restrictions.
…It is because of this that the AntiVaxxers can escape their moment of Darwinism because there is no way Labour can politically allow for large swathes of Maori & Pacifica to die.
This becomes immensely exploitable by ACT.
Thanks to social media, white people in NZ now know how much Maori & Pacifica hate them in the same way men now know post MeToo that women hate them. This means the majority who are now well aware of the minority’s contempt for them will be asked to continue lockdowns because the minority haven’t vaccinated.
If you can’t see the manner in which ACT could exploit that fault line, you probably shouldn’t be commenting on NZ politics.
It is urgent that Labour lift Maori & Pacifica vaccination rates because the exploitation of that by the Right will be merciless.
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Bomber 100% spot. As a lifetime National supporter Seymour’s measured response WITH A FUCKING PLAN shows up Chris Bishop’s “we’ll do the same as Jacinda, just a little less shit with some extra MIQ and ICU beds” barking at cars response.
The next poll will probably have Act and National neck-and-neck.
Seymour is a beacon as the Blairite sounds more and more like an Eastern European dictator in the late 1980s
Your comments are in fantasy land Frank. You’ve proven time and time again you have no credibility.
Frankie your time is up, it appears others think your “Blairite” analogy is like a kindy crayon book.
We’ll see Dazza. When a 1-trick pony struggles to do that trick well the crowd start to look away.
Don’t worry you still be able to pray in the temple of the Blairite- it’s just that there will be progressively more and more empty pews
Shurely Frank the Plank?
A plank has at least a worthwhile intellect.
I’ll gove you a pass Bertie. I know it’s been a tough few weeks slowly discovering that lockdowns don’t work as political tool like they did in 2020…..
Wow that’s awesome – you can rhyme. Congratulations.
……’I will defend your right not to get the vaccine while protecting my right to laugh at you when you die’…….let’s re-visit this point in a year or so.
I’ll comment on this matter anyway …
If the ACT Party attacks Maori for having a lower rate of immunisation (and thus delaying a desired opening up for middle class travel, foreign student intake, tourism and business activity sans a manged isolation regime), while the rest of the right wing world is making the case for there not having vaccine mandates, will its singularity be seen as anything other than racism?
Particularly when the reason why government hesitancy to move before higher rates of vaccination among Maori is its poor health demographic and weak health system – the underlying problem is lack of health system capacity and a inter-generational legacy of Maori poverty (poor housing in childhood leads to both poor educational and health outcomes in middle age).
Problems which ACT party has no policy to address, so it should be dismissed as irrelevant to the future of our government.
The day I witnessed Seymour voting against the right for the Maori party to speak in reply to The P.M.’s address was the day I knew ACT was a separatist party. Seymours reasoning was the Maori party did not have enough percentage of the countries voting populace to give voice. Van anyone else see the hypocrisy of Seymours stance? The irony is for 12 years Seymour demanded his democratic right on behalf of the ACT party to speak.
There has been sufficient funding and attention given to vaccine delivery to Maori/PI populations. If there is a shortfall in vaccination it is either through delivery or personal appetite.
You seriously think everyone else thinks the way you do, it’s either delivery or personal appetite? You live in a very, very shallow world.
900 million is enough to build a medium sized hospital or a number of schools. Yet not enough to get Maori vaccination rates up to an equivalent with white and Asian citizens…….
This is a travesty and a political and health-related disgrace.
Absolutely right. So tell me why in 9 years National never achieved this?
Spot on.
Spot on SPC.
That is.
Good crystal ball gazing Martyn and showing great awareness of the social currents that could drown us.
Its not hard to get a vaccination. Just walk into a vaccination center and ask for one. Its on Maori and Pacifica to explain why they are letting down “the team of 5 million”. The government shouldnt even need to have special vaccination and advertising programs for Maori when just from watching the news or observing the death rates for vaccinated v unvaccinated tells you its in your own interest and your Maori community interest to get a jab. This is one issue that cant be slated back to colonialism. Where is the Maori caucus leadership on this?
They’ve probably/hopefully seen the counter arguments to THIS lot of vaccines.
“it is those people who dont trust politicians”. Why would you let that stop you from using the knowlege gained in your school science class and heeding the advice of your own doctor and the real scientists in the media. Because its Pakeha western medical science not traditional maori healing? Why do chinese have high vaccination rates and not rely on traditional chinese medicine? I find this all inexplicable when the jab is in your interest, your Kuia and Koros interest, your other household memmbers interest, your communities interest.
Who says they are ‘real scientists’ in the media?
I agree there are MANY cranks out there to be weiry of.
But REAL scientists would highlight the differences other scientists have and try and work out the answer. THAT’S HOW SCIENCE works. NOT, ‘he who controls the media and narrative’. That wont make nature act the way THEY demand.
Thinks Catholic church and Galileo.
Maori don’t hate European or as it says here ‘ white people
act , et al , can only play the race card so many times before people stop listening
If the government would let doctors prescribe ivermectin to those that want it, the ICU wouldn’t need to fill up with covid patients.
…just the funeral parlours!
I’m with Frank an Joe
Many Maori have no one blame but themselves for the position they find themselves in – from one end of the spectrum to the other.
Not booking a vaccine is the fault of the defaulter
Basil you’re a patronizing ol’ racist. But I guess you would be ok with that. Totally old school kiwi put down of Maori people. Yuk.
To me, Seymour is the Jester in Queen Jacinda’s Court. The trouble is, he’s not even funny.
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