The Young Nats say they are “deeply disappointed” National’s caucus has decided to vote against legislation banning conversion therapy at its first reading.
MPs will debate the law which would criminalise treatment which aims to change people’s sexual orientation and gender identity for the first time this afternoon.
Can anyone in the Young Nats tell me how many gay conversions happen each year?
Shouldn’t we know that before passing a law that would see you locked up in prison for 5 years?
My understanding is that the Human Rights Commission and Ministry of Justice only have one on record since 1997!
This smells like a terrible woke overreach.
5 years in prison for chasing gay ghosts out of people is insanely punitive when compared to a range of other crimes!
Why is it that we on the Left are first to argue that prison is a violent counter productive organization and yet the second we have power to punish people for our issues we hold dear we get all Caligula like with revenge fantasies!
5 years for a religious teacher or acolyte who helps in a pray the gay away jamboree is martyrdom not reasonable punishment!
As far as I am concerned, anyone who believes in a magical flying invisible spell casting Wizard for their moral and ethical compass and uses that magical flying invisible spell casting Wizard to force a sexual orientation on another human being is fucking insane and incredibly damaging.
You can’t pray the gay ghosts away and anyone suggesting otherwise is a demented clown.
However, our own Ministry of Health questioned banning gay conversion therapy and that needs to be acknowledged and understood more because they claim criminalising this would be more detrimental.
Are we saying an adult who chooses to pray the Gay away is not allowed to? Who defines the serious harm to trigger a criminal act?
What if there is no malicious intent by the person doing the praying? What if they believe this garbage?
Now again, I think that person needs to seek actual counselling and real therapy to come to peace with who they are, but are we going to criminalise if people choose this hocus pocus?
Who will we be arresting here? The religious quack selling this nonsense or the person who assists?
I think Gay Conversion Therapy is crazy and harmful and stupid, but I think there are an enormous amount of things that are crazy, harmful and stupid that we don’t criminalise.
What I would hate to see is some religious nutter actively attempting to breach the law and becoming a martyr for this stupid cause.
I agree that the civil process via the HRC would be successful and a far better way to respond to this, but criminalising it with such extreme punishment is an enormous overreach.
Large swathes of NZ are already fearful woke activists will start a purge once Hate Speech laws are passed. Promising to lock up Christians for 5 years for praying homosexuality away doesn’t help dispel a punitive social engineering narrative from emerging.
With inequality soaring, entire generations locked out of the housing market, 22512 vulnerable people waiting for emergency housing and a climate crisis upon us, I can not understand why punitive penalties for Christians for a religious practice that is as damaging as it is stupid is a responsible use of the Legislative agenda!
We surely have far greater issues confronting us than criminalising a disgraced religious practice that we don’t know how many people are actually committing.
Insanely this all becomes one giant moot point because the Minister of self annihilation, Kris Faafoi told reporters last week this isn’t just about Christians praying the gay ghosts away, oh no, it extends to parents who stop their children from taking puberty blockers??????????
There’s concern parents could be caught out by the Government’s planned gay conversion therapy law.
Under the Bill, they could face jail time if they stop their children from taking puberty blockers.
Criminalising Christians is one thing, criminalising parents who stop their teenagers from using puberty blockers by putting them in prison for 5years is another fucking world!
This woke overreach, just like the Hate Speech fiasco, is why Labour lost 18% support in one month.
This is why Labour needed Winston.
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