MEDIAWATCH: Andrea Vance is right – climate crisis will drown out Farmers

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Martyn Bradbury
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A storm is coming — and it’s one that will drown out Groundswell’s howl

Mother nature has a delightful sense of irony.

Not hours after the last Groundswell tractor chugged home, in a cloud of diesel fumes, the rains began to fall.

MetService issued a red warning – only the third in its history. A month’s average rainfall came down in two days in parts of the West Coast.

More than 2000 people were forced from their homes, major roads were closed, paddocks submerged, and Buller and Marlborough to declare local states of emergency.

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The flooding came hot on the heels of storms that have prompted states of emergency in Canterbury (when the last red warning was issued) and Wellington in the past two months.

At the same time, people in China, Germany, Austria, Belgium, and the Netherlands are reeling from recent flooding. And the US and Canada were struck by intense heat waves.

Single flooding events are not directly attributed to climate change. But scientists have warned that it makes weather events more extreme, and more common.

Farmers are among those most affected by the heat, fires and floods ramped up by anthropogenic climate change.

Andrea Vance is right – climate crisis will drown out Farmers.

This is the fundamental problem for the Right, extreme weather events are now occurring at a rate which can’t be ignored.

The latest global warming events suggest we have lost control of the situation and that extreme weather events are now the norm.

Farmers and the Right can try and tell the sleepy hobbits of muddle Nu Zilind that global warming is a socialist hoax, but the hobbits are drowning under rising sea levels.

There’s a point when National Party propaganda, KiwiBlog propaganda, Taxpayer Union propaganda, ZB propaganda, ACT Party propaganda and Farmer propaganda against global warming is simply no longer listened to.

This isn’t just a challenge for the Right, it’s a challenge for the left as well.

I appreciate all white people are racist, all men are evil and anyone in support of free speech is a Nazi – but the planet is melting…

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… The largest student climate change protest group in NZ last month cancelled itself in a ritualistic  wokeocide because of historic racism and in recognition of woke dogma that that all white people are irredeemable racists.

While the identity politics clique continue to find ways to undermine solidarity in their ever grim critical race theory roulette of wounds and grievance, the planet melts.

The only winners by self mutilating broad church climate crisis protest movements for identity politics dogma are the polluters causing climate change.

The ferocity of the climate and constant science updates showing the worst case scenarios are becoming the only scenario is going to force a reckoning.

We either accept the future will be vastly more hostile with devastating climate events cascading constantly causing mass climate refugee movements and failed states or we pretend technology and recycling is going to save us.

I believe the former is going to happen and it will demand a radical reshape of our economy and military positioning.

The speed of tipping points makes this a 10 year transition.

Endlessly fighting over identity politic hierarchy when the fate of our planet is at stake seems remarkably egotistical.

Radical change is coming whether we are ready or not.

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79 COMMENTS

  1. Of course the danger for the groundswell protest was always that it is easily misrepresented as farmers not wanting to change/denying climate change.

    Sure enough the establishment does just that.

    • Also, they’re still putting all farmers into the ‘industrialised & intensive’ basket. Many farmers diversifying.

      It is forestry that is the great scourge of Aotearoa, now and into the future. Yet few people out there are willing to look into this.

  2. I note with interest that 600 new coal fired power stations are planned or in development in China, India, Indonesia, Vietnam and Japan. According to Carbon Tracker these are threatening climate goal efforts worldwide.

  4. Most dramatic moves to protect the world from itself have down sides that are not apparent until you try to put them into action . Biofuel for example means mono agriculture and fuel instead of food . The same can be said for the much promoted pretend meat which is manufactured in factories which take power and cause it’s own pollution. E V cars still need roads and use resurces to be built and powered. If the answers are to come from government like ours that are short term office holders looking to protect their pitch and get reelected then to put it bluntly I am sorry to say we are all F–ked .

  5. I hope Andrea Vance is right; we need to show our support for the changes that will restore the damage we have/are doing to the environment. Government’s are dependent on popular support to enact policy.
    For far too many years, and against countless warnings and evidence, we have measured success by financial profit; wilfully destroying the planet to make a quick buck.
    The sight of numerous utes and tractors in the cities driven by rebelling farmers, being egged on by the Oppostion leader’s “I’m proud of them” comment, shows the planet remains under enormous threat from the ‘profit comes first’ brigade.

    • Let’s be quite honest, on climate change we humans are going along for the ride on this one.

      NOTHING this government does, which is next to nothing, will make a difference. For once Jacinda’s lack of delivery is the correct answer. Honestly, who thinks a tax on high emission vehicles will do anything? And even if we were exemplary, NZ is not going to change a thing.

      Nor is any other country going to make the blindest bit of difference. In fact when you look at the timidity of politicians the world over, we just need to adapt.

      But on improv8ng water quality, this subject is easily within our control and is non negotiable!

      • I totally agree, we can not continue to pollute the water, but also we can not continue polluting the atmosphere, for as well as the warming effects of the emissions it is causing acidification of the oceans. Not being a climate scientist I can only believe what I am being told from ‘reliable’ sources about the sources of climate change, but seems to me if we deal with pollution in all its guises we will be on the way to limiting the environmental damage we continue to do.

  6. I think the bigger problem in NZ is the huge amount of hypocrisy on the environment.

    When it comes to taxing ordinary folks the government seems all for changing law/taxes to stop pollution.

    On the other hand, they are helping much bigger polluters to pollute NZ and say they can’t do anything, when they are signing off the permits and are setting the precedents for more big polluters in NZ!

    For example the case of the dome valley which needed government and council and independent commissioner approval for all stages of this process which includes removing 14km of streams for a landfill in a flood prone area and giving Overseas approval for the Chinese company to buy the land to develop as Landfill in the first place. In addition it sounds like they have approval to also take foreign toxic rubbish to the site. There are hundreds of truck movements per day into this area with the emissions and this seems to be a continual issue, of council approval these types of polluting truck movements constantly especially around Auckland which is already congested.

    Government loves to help huge multinational pollution into NZ while then going deciding all the environmental degradation needs to be from taxes and changes of ordinary people who for the most part don’t have a choice aka many farm machinery does not use electric power.

    Repost from Fight the Tip opposing the Dome valley rubbish tip consent. Apparently last days to have your say!

    “Auckland Council has signed off on removing 14 kilometres of streams in Dome Valley with a landfill. If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere. If our government isn’t hearing the voices of communities regarding the protection of precious waterways, how can we protect anything in our country?
    Have your voice heard. Tomorrow marks the final day to join as a section 274 party to the #fightthetip appeals.
    For more info on how to become a S274 party click the link below: https://www.facebook.com/groups/SavetheDome/posts/3970241369755749/“

  9. If anyone can please provide a link showing that farmers are in fact the biggest carbon emitters in AO/ NZ, that would be helpful for discussions.

    The closest piece that I could find, NOT a real ‘Study’ as such, carried the caveat that the figures were not complete as the emissions info from other industries was more difficult to track down, – data was missing, etc. Other industries either do not keep records, or those records are being hidden or removed.

    Large scale corporate-owned intensive dairying IS harmful to the environment. Small scale local mixed farming, including some organic growers, is something else again. Throwing them all into one box is not helpful in seeing the true picture.

    If we want a safe and healthy future for Aotearoa, then there needs to be healthier and more honest approach to understanding what is actually going on.

    • That said, we absolutely need to go organic.
      If all of AO/ NZ were organic, we could command whatever prices we liked for many of our products.
      Ban Round up!!! And ban 1080!! Ban imported phosphates. Ban imported palm feed.

    • @Khelea – concrete is considered the third largest emitter in the world.

      Cement is the source of about 8% of the world’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, according to think tank Chatham House.
      If the cement industry were a country, it would be the third largest emitter in the world – behind China and the US. It contributes more CO2 than aviation fuel (2.5%) and is not far behind the global agriculture business (12%).
      https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46455844

      However there seems to be more government subsidies for concrete and construction and roads in NZ – let alone any new taxes!!

      Concrete NZ pollution profit gold – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/09/government-to-build-most-expensive-road-in-world.html

      Apartments and housing prices (many with significant landfill and emissions implications), will keep going up, because the apartment owners and overseas developers are prioritied in NZ, aka allowed to both sell 60% of new build apartments to overseas people as investment properties and foreign owners can sell them within 5 years and pay zero capital gains tax. In addition there is an escalation of OIO asset transfers. For existing houses with low emissions, they are taxed higher.

      Residents of OZ and Singapore are exempt from being considered overseas people under the OIO rules and can buy any NZ property without any restrictions as though they are NZ citizens. So those living in NZ still compete with another 10 million+ people for housing supply here and those people earn a lot higher wages, so it is inevitable what will happen to NZer’s working on NZ incomes… aka they will get poorer and poorer if they stay to work here.

      There are more taxes on existing properties in NZ than new builds that create significant emissions.

      Current policy is to encourage more landfill by demolishing existing housing, while creating new housing, much of it made with concrete like apartments.

      There are now more homeless and in emergency housing than before they created rules like the above.

      So it is a double policy disaster.

    • While households were being encouraged to recycle, construction and demolition waste had only increased. This now makes up half to three-quarters of all the district’s waste. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447664/kapiti-residents-rubbish-dumped-at-controversial-landfill?fbclid=IwAR1934XjZVVR9ycO2azeAHsPM_7g1H4cRlpx5keBZJmF_DC_inGMJrxNB9o

      Only in NZ stupidity is legally acceptable and nobody does anything, because councils subcontract everything so they can claim less responsibly for pollution of their city!

      “Mayor K Gurunathan said the Resource Management Act put it on the contractor to use a consented landfill.

      “So when they take it from our transfer station, it is then their business to put it where they choose,” he told RNZ.

      Councillor Jackie Elliott said, legally, that’s correct, but it’s not right.

      “Residents have lost their voice completely on how they want to treat their sustainable rubbish and how responsible they want to be,” Elliott said.

      “Do they want to still continue sending their problems, throwing them over the fence to Hōkio, or do they want to do things better?”

    • In NZ they manage to eventually construct expensive transport stations like Britomart and Puhinui.

      The problem is NZ focus is always on polluting construction, they forget about useable trains that are the main point to lesson transport emissions.

  10. Flooding is only going to get worse – much worse.
    Pointing the finger at farmers and saying or implying that “NZ farmers dunnit!!!” …is lazy, stupid group-think, headed by Jimmy Shaw and others. It is a very “Wokey” thing to do.

    Start looking around at who and what is is really harming AO/ NZ.

    Again, corporate, industrialised, intensified dairying IS harmful to the environment. But it does NOT represent “farming” as such in NZ. Farmers and growers, and orchardists and apiarists, – these are our food suppliers, if we are to retain any self-sufficiency as a nation. To replace these lands with the agenda of the far more harmful logging industry is incredibly stupid.

  11. Back in the ’90s I tried to talk to people about the harm caused by the Oil drillers, by our reliance as a society on oil. Back then, such talk was met with derision and simply overlooked. People who began protesting about it were arrested. The arrests continued until very recently – Lucy Lawless was arrested for such a protest, under the Key Govt.

    Now, for AO/ NZ in particular (though actually for the planet) – the logging industry is like the new Oil, with most people in denial about this. …Even when they can see the firenadoes happening in California and Oregon – Though our news is very limited – a brief few minutes of coverage of the planet going up in flames.

    ….Even after our own glaciers turned murky yellowish brown from similar fires in another country.

  12. Now,… I have asked you a few times to post my post. You are a champion of free speech it seems. Therefore, honour these sites I post as an alternative to the origins of climate change. Even though it may seem ‘icky’ to you and others of the secular persuasion. Because this is what truth and the scientific method is all about. Not mere tribal political expediency.

    Is Genesis History?
    https://youtu.be/UM82qxxskZE?t=15

    Danny Vendramini Hour 1 Them & Us Neanderthal Predation Theory
    https://youtu.be/ieiJT5ULgZs?t=22

    I expect to see these posted and out there for all to make an informed decision from BOTH sides. And if the Bible is just a laughable collection of fairy tales, so be it. You have nothing to fear. If its not,…then you might give pause to considering the validity, accuracy and truth of the Biblical narrative. And how that impacts on modern solutions.

  13. Oh, the Danny Vendramini ‘them and us’ is here in a condensed and very interesting short visual form… enjoy !

    Neanderthal: Profile of a super predator
    https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs?t=2

    This is the original. Also I would like to include Lloyd Pye and his findings…

    Lloyd Pye – Everything You Know Is Wrong -The Hidden/Suppressed History of the Human Race
    https://youtu.be/wr3QiS5-aJM?t=8

    Now, if Andrea Vance, Hosking or any other can refute any of these, so be it. Until then, … lets buckle in and listen up. THEN ,… make our decisions.

  15. The irony of course is the same woke that carp on about their green credit duals will be the loudest if their lifestyle was affected. Imagine for a second if we:
    ‘leaf’ 1 day out of 2)
    2). Require additional taxes (corporate and residential) to pay up for the open sewer that is the inner Hauraki Gulf
    3). Charge RUCs and battery disposal charges for electrical vehicles

    The outcry would be stratospheric. It’s easier when you can blame another mob (i.e. farmers) for your own failings

    • …’ The outcry would be stratospheric. It’s easier when you can blame another mob (i.e. farmers) for your own failings’…

      ROFL !!!

      SO TRUE !

  16. ‘The speed of tipping points makes this a 10 year transition’

    Sorry Martyn, you are a bit out on your timing.

    The crisis commenced 20 years ago -when the BUA mob were full of mocking and derision, and were promulgating misinformation ‘by the tonne’…..”CO2 is a nutrient, there is no link between excessive emissions and overheating, there is no hockey stick,” and other such nonsense. And now it’s FAR TOO LATE.

    Even with the manifestations of Planetary Meltdown increasing by the day, the truly despicable Andern LINO mob promote so-called solutions that make matters worse faster: electric car subsidy…what a fucking joke when NZ is burning imported extra-dirty Indonesian coal to generate electricity! And the whole ‘Carbon Trading’ system is nothing more than a monstrous scam, designed to allow exploiters to continue exploiting whilst doing zilch to reduce the fundamental cause of the predicament -CO2 emissions that result from burning fossil fuels.

    So, with the entire globalised economic system now on the brink of collapse due to energy depletion and the effects of overheating, we certainly don’t have ’10 years’ to transition. Unless you are talking about a 10 year transition to a largely uninhabitable planet.

    I am personally focused on preparations for the economic meltdown that will occur later this year.

    As for the Planetary Meltdown, there’s no stopping it at this late stage; the time for doing that was in the 1970s and 80s, before the CO2 level had been pushed [by industrial activity, tourism, consumerism, industrial agriculture and overpopulation] beyond the critical level of 350 ppm. (It’s now not far off 420 ppm.)

    ‘Burn baby, burn.’ (Just as is happening in America and Siberia right now at an unprecedented level.)

    Just to add to humanities woes (and the rest of the fauna and flora), the damage inflicted on the natural worlds by greedy, stupid upright-walking apes has caused this:

    ‘Insects have declined by 75% in the past 50 years – and the consequences may soon be catastrophic. Biologist Dave Goulson reveals the vital services they perform’

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/25/the-insect-apocalypse-our-world-will-grind-to-a-halt-without-them

    Of course, the big advantage LINO and the other political parties have in this final battle to retain some prospect of a future over the meltdown period is that the general populace has been carefully trained to both act against their own futures and vote for politicians who act against their own futures.

  18. Apparently the two most dinosaur industries in NZ are construction and electricity. Both huge carbon emitters who get government help to continue their polluting ways while consumers and farmers are scape goated.

    AKA coal use in NZ is growing not declining. Companies like Fonterra and Electricity companies have been poorly led and government policy has not expected them to cut emissions or plan for climate changes like drought and switch to solar energy.

    Coal accounted for more than 10 percent of the country’s electricity in the first three months of this year.

    Five years ago it was 2 percent; the proportion has steadily increased since. Coal is the most carbon intensive fossil fuel in the world, around twice as much as natural gas.

    Note, aviation emissions are also huge.

    Not sure this is helping carbon emissions – Air NZ is part owned by government and encouraging wasteful journeys!

    Flight wars: Air NZ unveils 300,000 domestic flights under $100

  19. Hmmmm,… a Johnny Collins sea shanty is in order to cool things down somewhat, not as a detractor to the good points made on all sides, but as a salve between both sides that we are all,… human beings.

    Johnny Collins – Blow the Man Down
    https://youtu.be/dSAFTs0eUlA?t=2

    Lets treat it like a remembrance of former times and how far we have travelled since then….and build on it.

  21. Rio Tinto has been getting a huge power subsidy for years and takes up 13% of NZ generation, this has contributed to keeping NZ consumers/business bills high for years. Coal is 20% of our generation so the removal of Rio Tinto will help reduce our carbon emissions immediately.

    With electricity NZ has an insane system where by the spot price is set by the highest generator cost not lowest. So the incentives are to create expensive electricity here in times of demand as you make more money.

    Way to be cleared for big electricity players to prey on low-income households
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/102708888/way-to-be-cleared-for-big-electricity-players-to-prey-on-lowincome-households

    NZ Power Companies are not even Compliant under EU and US Laws!
    https://ecotricity.co.nz/nz-powercos-noncompliant-under-eu-us-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=Non+Compliant+Blog+Release&utm_medium=paid&hsa_cam=6116002037136&hsa_src=%5BSITE_SOURCE_NAME%5D&hsa_acc=10152756314334928&hsa_ver=3&hsa_net=facebook&hsa_grp=6116002037536&hsa_ad=6116002037936&fbclid=IwAR0PwZmsmg8Q1b-aevcUijRowgavgNNT36_46yPRedul03imfWS6dSHLapc

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