Well thank God, National are demanding a debate and I for one couldn’t agree more!
Let’s have that debate that National have been avoiding.
What the hell was Michelle Boag thinking when she gave Hamish Walker privileged information about Covid patients?
What the hell was Walker thinking when he tried to leak that to the media?
What the hell was Andrew Falloon thinking when he sent woman he didn’t know porn?
What the hell was half your Caucus thinking when they turned on Bridges for Muller?
What the hell was Muller thinking when he knifed Simon Bridges and then promptly imploded.
What the hell was Nikki Kaye thinking backing Muller?
What the hell was a National Party Board member doing calling ZB to smear one of their own candidates because she wasn’t white enough for National?
What the hell was Gerry Brownlee doing by claiming conspiracy theories about the pandemic?
What the hell was Judith doing starting fights with fat people in the last week of the election?
Why did Judith destroy Iain Lees-Galloway just to take media attention away from her handling of Falloon?
Why the hell has National simply reverted back to a ‘we hate Maaaaaaris’ as a default policy position on every thing?
Why the hell was Nick Smith assassinated and Todd Muller cast out? Is the National Party just the mafia now?
Harete Hipango. Why?
Jake Bezzant. What the fuck?
National are playing a clever game demanding a debate because it insinuates Labour have a secret socialist agenda,
I WISH!
The danger is if people agree to a debate because National have nothing in terms of an actual intellectual or philosophical political position on anything.
It’s not a debate that National want, it’s a food fight on social media they are trying to instigate.
National should spend less time on demanding a debate and spend more time on actually having something to say.
Will it be enough to stop ACT cannibalising National vote? Probably not, but it does cement Judith in place as leader until Simon Bridges book comes out.
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So, when your own party has completely disintegrated, I guess this is one way to try and jump ship.
…Keep the National Party in name only, – while trying to gain control of whatever the other is doing, – regardless of what that might me.
This is about Collins trying to get to xmas before the exorcism of the National party leader annual xmas party barbecue ritual.
If she were genuine in wanting more open debate for all Kiwis then step one would be for her to go to her mates at the Herald and get them to remove the paywall on all such discussions. As is, poorer Kiwis are being locked out of the debate, in a deliberate and calculated manner.
trying to get to xmas
And she’s asked Don Brash to finance it:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300355767/email-says-judith-collins-asked-don-brash-to-raise-300000-for-billboards-on-treaty-of-waitangi-issues
Collins states this debate is about transparency, then will not confide whether she had contact with Brash.
Collins is about as transparent as an Oravida Water bottling overseas trip.
Or as that sworn-to-secrecy Internal Review, remember?
The Nat MPs themselves could only view it one at a time and only after agreeing on complete silence about whatever they read.
How about a debate over that.. heh
BREAKING NEWS!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300355767/email-says-judith-collins-asked-don-brash-to-raise-300000-for-billboards-on-treaty-of-waitangi-issues
Collins in bed with Brash and now race baiting.
All with the backing of Peter Goodfellow.
Neither will confirm this however so what is their secret agenda?
Regardless of the obvious necessity for public input, under the bribe taken by the media it is simply not possible to have a genuine debate – or at least one that is accessible to the broader public.
“As Seymour noted in Parliament, the guidelines that determine eligibility for the millions of dollars on offer make it very explicit what position media must take on the Treaty.
The section describing the fund’s goals recommends “actively promoting the principles of Partnership, Participation and Active Protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner“.
And the first of the general eligibility criteria requires all applicants to show a “commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and to Māori as a Te Tiriti partner”.
In short, anyone sceptical of the proposition that the Treaty implies a “partnership” seems very unlikely to get any money. Yet, that question is exactly what is contested by the many critics of Maori-Crown co-governance plans who are alarmed at the prospect of 15 per cent of the population being granted equal say with the other 85 per cent in many spheres of New Zealand life.”
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/07/08/graham-adams-a-question-about-the-55m-media-fund-made-ardern-laugh-but-not-for-long/
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Let’s hear National debate the Ponzi nature of the financial system, and the accelerating Planetary Meltdown, and the declining energy availability, and the mal-investment successive governments-both National and Labour- have made in infrastructure that will have no utility a year or two from now…..
Your points are all valid but are related to internal National Party politics and unless they are sorted National will remain where they are in the polls. However that said the demand for an open debate on the way the country is going needs to be aired in public. Even you have expressed concern about the hidden agenda behind the moves that were not made clear at the election.
It probably would not have changed the result of the election but it would be good to know what to expect .
Nope. The majority is happy with Jacinda. Just you old boomers are becoming irrelevant as is your favourite shambles.
I remember a certain leader not campaigning on raising GST in fact told the voting public of N.Z. ” I will not raise GST” He then went on to raise GST almost immediately.
This is why Collins is being disingenuous, all parties have done this through the years. This is Collins trying to cement her leadership rather than any National campain versus Labour, otherwise why was the National party president there?
Once National have an effective and respectable leader they may make inroads as The Kraut has highlighted.
Bert to say what you said in that comment must have hurt. In the past you have stuck up, for Jacinda and Labour as I have for National but in many ways they have both lost their way in what matters. Who ever is in power most people want to feel there is a future for them and their family . A good health system a chance to get ahead through work or education safe from criminals and a fair public service . To get these goals we need firm leadership and a team that cares more for us the public than idiology and power trips.
I believe at the end of the day you and I both know Trevor, National is a basket case. It is a basket case for two reasons. Firstly they are offering no alternative policy. They are internally destructive and this goes down to leadership. Peter Goodfellow should have resigned over multiple indiscretions of ministers, donation scandals and the Michelle Boag issue. The fact Collins continues to have a divided caucus and rules with an iron fist tells us she is not inclusive, a trait which is a must for a leader people will follow, thus this being Arderns strength.
Until the rust that is Goodfellow is removed( well past his use by date) National will be consigned to opposition.
How about a debate about the ruptured Auckland fuel pipeline and how that was caused. And perhaps a debate about the “Cup of tea on the way to the airport” with David Wong Tun and the unnamed Chinese border official. And possibly a debate about Collins’ many many many mentions in Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’…….
We dont need any referendums. Greedy Kiws dont want to spend money and nothing will be passed and nothing gets done – like any Tory Natz government. John Keys government ran a Rock Star economy by property speculation, immigration and cutting back on Public Services. We had the Panama papers, Dirty Politics, cup of tea with hone banks, a sign of a corrupt government. Who can remember Collins destroying Benson-Pope and his family by calling him a a pervert in parliament – despicable.
Natz are loosing their demographics – old boomers (like me) are dying away.
Aotearoans are lucky- LUCK Winstone didnt put the Torys in power in 2017.
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