Trump’s final shot at China and what it means to NZ

1. Conflict is not predetermined. It will require good choices at home. New Zealand can not balance China without the rest of the world including the USA so we do have to choose between one ratshit or the other.

   Sun Zu said win a war with out going to war. China doesn’t have to go to war the weight of the population will just dominate even as far as New Zealand and we don’t even have a response to a 3000 ton Chinese coastguard vessel.

   We are back to big power games. Deplomacy and economic trickery won’t work on China who has all the resources. Decoupling from China will see new Zealand on very low growth for a very long time.

   There’s no which ways about. Rogernomics gutted New Zealand’s productive capacity. We would have to get extremely creative if we want to decouple while keeping pace with China’s dominant growth.

   Energy generation will have to at least double. We will need to at least double tertiary education spots and triple the pass rate or at least 90%+ pass rate just to keep pass with Chinese growth rates. One miscalculation and the pace of it all will end in disaster 100% will happen.

   NZDF has to be rearmed. That’s 4 6000ton frigates, 22 fighter jets, 4 full time infantry battalions and everything else in between. So there’s no miscalculation NZDF also needs the ability to assemble these things in NZ IKEA style and double NZDFs combat capabilities in 12 months is just as essential.

   • Which planet are we on.
     Earth is finite and growth is suicidal.

     How don’t you think about that.

     • Growth has a double edged sword to it. The centres of power are ruffly equal except China can field a larger military and America spends the most. Containing these centres of power is of upmost importance because when empires decline scientists get sold to the highest bidder then every middle power may well acquire nuclear weapons creating a tremendously new source of conflict. The double edge sword comes in where we have to grow to maintain the balance of state violence.

2. If New Zealand is going to adopt that approach then it will also need to decouple from the US which is starving and killing the citizens of Yemen, Iran and Venezuela

   • Eso apples
     The US war machine has been in gear since 1945 non stop. We have been sucked in to assist them. Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan and now are we being lined up to go against China.

     Good grief how stupid are we.

3. LOL. It takes the most hated person in the world to point out the world’s greatest shame. As someone that has visited the Nazi “work camps” while in Europe I’d challenge anyone to argue there is any moral difference to what occurs over there. For that matter point out the difference to the North Korean “work camps”. The only differences I can see are:

   a). China has nuclear weapons and enough of them to destroy the world
   b). The world and those in power rely on cheap Chinese manufacturing to maintain super profits

   What’s worse a couple of morons having a day in the capital egged on by a departing President or systemic ill treatment of people based on their race/religion. Then reflect what gets the most condemnation and reportage in the MSM.

   • North Korean “work camps”?????????
     China has but a small fraction of the nukes that the USA has. The USA has actually used them on people.

     Traders got goods made in China because of lower cast just as Britain and NZ imported cheap goods from Japan after WWII.
     Chinese goods are getting dearer but their system is more robust than any in the Western world.

4. So we go after China. What about the other states that indulge in human rights abuses, war crimes and whatever? Do we need to have a self described cheat, liar and thief to tell us when we should hold up the ‘tut tut’ finger?

   • Mike Pompeo comes across as a comedian who has turned into a serial killer ,,,

     He has all the credibility of a vicious idiot ,,,,

     And if anyone thinks he cares or is truthful about Uighur Muslims ,,,, I have a section of Steve Bannon completed Mexican wall to sell you.

     ” In his final full day in office secretary of state Mike Pompeo denounced multiculturalism” 8mins 15secs https://youtu.be/-sxqQtAmr7M

   • aom
     What human rights abuses are you referring to.
     I though I would ask rather than guess.

5. Biden is all about pro-China politics (paraphrasing Orwell, “we were always at war with Russia”). I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if Biden issues an apology to China for this statement, explaining that it does not reflect the policy of the new administration.

6. ‘ Problem is, who do we ‘couple’ with if we decouple from China? And almost every other country in the world is likewise coupled with China in any case.’
   We go back to selling our stuff to Britain, the USA and Europe like we did in the old days. On occasions we criticize them too.
   The difference is other nations do not have a screaming fit like indulged brats( we will poke your eyes out! We will not buy any of your goods despite having a trade agreement that says we must! The Communist Party is always right and never makes mistakes!’ Our agreement with Britain over Hong Kong is not binding because we do not want it to be! People were mean to us over a hundred years ago and we have to keep whining about it now!)
   As I told you before Mark all that is required is for China to realize it is part of a world community now( signatory to the United Nations Charter on Human rights and self determination, freedom of the Navigation – stuff like that).
   Get your name written on the soles of your shoes Mark. That way when you crawl right up the Chinese Ambassadress we will still be able to find you.

7. The statement is by Pompass not Trump. Presenting that US govt bombast as the truth are you?

   Hopefully our government is smarter than you on this issue, Martyn. Although their getting on board with the Nalvanny anti Russia shit doesn’t look hopeful.

   • Sorry that should be Navlanny, not Nalvanny. Навальный to be exact.

8. Trump’s America is not the America that many used to trust and look upon. His engagement in falsehoods and exaggerated claims had seriously dented the credibility of his administration. It also seems the evidence are mostly based on reports written by someone with a religious fundamentalist worldview that may impede the objectivity of such reports on officially atheist China. Any level-headed leader should thus take the declaration with a pinch of salt, especially from an outgoing administration that knows it does not need to face or deal with any subsequent damaging consequences arising from it.

   • The new administration who are nearly all bought and paid for by Israel ,,,, are going after Russian and Iranian interference in their elections and society.

     They are evil pretenders ,,, and the latest in a long line.

     Biden is the Obama admin Mrk 2 ,,,, Richard Medhurst Rants on Warmonger and Criminal, Joe Biden https://youtu.be/fltj9HWfDwk

     “You dont congratulate mussolini for beating hitler in an election”

     • Cool.

       But some will as they swallow what they are told.

9. So will the new cold war be like the old cold war?

   Are we to blindly follow the US into more tragedy?

   And whilst the actions of the CCP is absolute shit, why are we rushing to support a side who is fighting how many wars? Who are using terror weapons in those wars like depleted uranium rounds, drones, and killing how many civilians?

   Another perspective if you’re interested, and whilst I don’t agree with this link totally, it is good food for the brain.

   https://www.blackagendareport.com/casualties-old-cold-war-should-inform-opposition-us-new-cold-war-against-china

   • A deeper understanding of the global fiscal criminality of USA. Nothing is safe until working people can unite and change the western system.
     http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/56202.htm

10. Been drinking the Kool-Aid Martyn

11. ‘Oh…so the US and UK also need to realise same, and not go round invading half the world causing a million deaths over just the past two decades?’
    Jesus Mark why do you ALWAYS think two wrongs make one right?
    You keep coming back to the same thing.
    The USA and other nations do bad things and that means the Chinese Communist party are allowed to kill people who disagree with it.
    You remind me of Indira Ghandi’s remark about negotiating with China.
    It is like a neighbour who borrowed a pot and did not return it.
    First she does not know what you are talking about and there is no pot.
    Second you gave it to her so she does not have to give it back.
    Third it was broken when you gave it to her and so you should give money to compensate her.
    Fourth she will punish you if you keep asking her to return something you took from her.
    Then you just repeat everything again.
    To repeat: We do criticize other nations-often. They recognise this for what it is. Constructive debate.
    They do not throw screaming hissy fits threatening to poke our eyes out.
    Give my regard to your ‘Tongshi’ I hope they do good things for you. God knows you need it.
    Long live the Dalai Lama and ten thousand years of life to the Panchen Lama. Liberation for the oppressed minorities of China!

12. As Moon of Alabama points out, How can it be genocide if the population of Uyghurs is increasing? Just Silly American propaganda. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/01/the-number-of-uyghurs-has-trippled-the-us-calls-it-a-genocide-propaganda-fails-to-explain-it.html#more

    • Sure, Jan:

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/uighur-xinjiang-re-education-camp-china-gulbahar-haitiwaji

13. Actually Mark I owe you an apology. I claimed you were up the Chinese Ambassadress’s dress.
    I spoke to her office today and her assistant said Ms Wu does not have any personal contact with the people who snivel and whine on the Chinese Communist Party’s behalf.
    Basically she has people ( very low ranking people) to do that for her.
    You are repeating what you said on a previous occasion and I answered then. True to form you just keep repeating the same cliches.
    ‘If the Chinese communists were really as bloodthirsty as they are made out to be here, there would be no minorities left in China after 70 years. The facts are minority populations have increased under CCP rule faster than the Han population. Indeed minorities were not restricted to one child whereas Han were. Genocide my ass.’
    I would agree you are my ass except I have a male donkey and he is quite intelligent.

    ‘According to a secret PLA document purportedly captured by the guerrillas fighting the Chinese army, 87,000 deaths were recorded in Lhasa between March 1959 and September 1960.( Reuters)
    “If there was a film made on all the atrocities perpetrated in Qinghai Province, it would shock the viewers. In Golok area, many people were killed and their dead bodies rolled down the hill into a big ditch. The soldiers told the family members and relatives of the dead people that they should celebrate since the rebels have been wiped out. They were forced to dance on the dead bodies. Soon after, they were also massacred with machine guns…In Amdo and Kham, people were subjected to unspeakable atrocities. People were shot in groups of ten or twenty… Such actions have left deep wounds in the minds of the people”( this statement was made by the tenth Panchen Lama. Also when I visited Golok in 199 locals could show me the site of massacres. I saw a human skull in a maizefield nearby and was told it is quite common to find human remains from the bodies scattered around the area)
    That is Tibet. This from Inner Mongoila
    ‘after the Cultural Revolution, during the purge, 346,000 people were arrested, 16,222 people were persecuted to death or killed directly, and over 81,000 were permanently injured and disabled.Other estimates have put a death toll between 20,000 and 100,000, while hundreds of thousands were arrested and persecuted, and over a million people were affected.’
    As I have told you before Mark my wife’s relatives remember this time well. The cry of the Red Guards
    ‘Sha Yang! Xiao mei Hu!’ kill the foreigners exterminate the non-han nomads!
    Were you there Mark? Were you among the good little Red Guards who celebrated Mongolian barbecue by pushing Mongols face down into their cooking fires? Did you smash the temples and urinate on the heads of monks and nuns? Are you proud of it?
    If anyone does not believe me they can travel to the grasslands and talk to the old people and see their scars.
    I can also give you information from non-han people in Manchuria( which the Chinese call Dong Bei because they are not allowed to call it Manchuria), Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou.
    The fact is Mark that these minorities still exist and thrive because they are resilent people not through any goodwill from the Chinese Communists. Their virility is proved by the number of times they have defeated the Han Chinese and ruled over them as the Manchus( Qing Dynasty) Yuan(Mongols)Tang( Goturks)Jin ( Jurchens)Xia( Tanguts). There is also the fact that the Tibetan Empire once ruled most of Western China up to Xian.
    Now I have criticised you for dwelling on past events but…
    In fact the record suggests China does best when it is ruled by someone other than Han Chinese so come on dump the Chinese Communist Party and invite the Huzhu to their natural position as your masters. Lose the terror you have of these people( rightly because despite their small numbers they have a long record of victory over you). Once again enjoy the prosperity of Tang and Qing and peaceful relations with the neighbouring world.

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