Greens roar and sink NZ First Waka jumping

This is what it sounds like when the Doves cry

Green Kitty got claws!

Dead rat spit back up: Green Party vote to repeal waka jumping law with National, infuriating Winston Peters

eputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has called the Green Party “unstable and untrustworthy” after the party banded together with National to start an attempted appeal of the waka jumping law.

The Green Party infamously had to “swallow a dead rat” and support the waka jumping law early in the term, despite the party’s long-standing opposition to such laws, which allow parties to expel their own MPs from Parliament if they seriously rebel.

On Wednesday night at the last members’ day of the term the party voted with National on National MP David Carter’s members’ bill to repeal the law.

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Thanks to the Green Party’s support the repeal bill was successful at its first reading but will not have a chance for a second or third vote before the election, meaning it could be picked up again or wither away, as Carter is retiring.

Suck on that Winnie.

How’s that regurgitated dead rat roast dinner you are having to chew up and swallow?

The Greens, who usually are timid and minus any strategic capability whatsoever, have gloriously fucked Winston over one last time before Parliament rises for the election and it’s a beautiful short sharp knee to the balls.

It’s only taken a couple of decades, but it’s good to see the Greens get street fighter in the bear pit of Parliament. There’s always been a fear that the Greens lack any killer instinct and have no backroom head kickers to push their agenda through, but this one act shows they can do just that.

Sure, the target they chose is an elderly Māori who is on his last legs politically and likely to come under 5% so won’t be in Parliament next term, but it’s a start for the Greens.

We can upgrade their offensive capacity ratings from ‘resting moss’ to your ‘average house cat attacking a wounded mouse’.

Now, all the Greens need to do between this moment and the election is NOT alienate any more voters with their woke mantra crap and they might still be in Parliament.

The Greens sunk Winston’s waka, but they are still up a creek without a paddle in terms of crossing the 5% threshold themselves.


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  1. All this shows is that the Greens have no enduring principles, and cannot be trusted to make well thought through decisions. They truly are the enemy of the people of Aotearoa.

    • How do you make that one out Woolly? The Greens were principled enough to swallow a rat to maintain a stable Government, then stick to their enduring principles when apposite.

      • @aom Wooly Angus is probably from the National Party Social Media team. Their optimum tactic is to get a negative negative comment as the first thing people read after the main article – hence it’s usually short, uses standard attack lines and doesn’t really engage with the thrust of the article.

  2. Not as important as some may think.
    This legislation won’t go any further this parliamentary term in any case.
    What it might do is make any future Labour-NZ First-Greens coalition deal more difficult and/or make a National/Greens deal slightly more possible (from zero to almost zero).

  3. In the weeks after the 2017 election, there was a show in the making. “Everyone Loves Winston”….the man himself was 15 ft tall and lapped up being the tail that wagged the dog every second of the day.

    Fast forward 3 years and now the show has been renamed. “Nobody Loves or Wants Winston”…the man himself is hating being 4 ft tall, virtually powerless and irrelevant.

    He had the perfect platform to end his long career in style and leave a legacy to be proud of…..but, two polls in a row didn’t just see the end of Slime-On Bwidges, it also resulted in the emergence of an angry, bitter, grumpy, desperate and cynical Winston Peters. He’s standing on the plank of his own creation after losing his own play book. He’s unsure what to do next so he cynically undermines and ridicules both Labour and Greens. He shits in his own nest and then resorts to outdated unwanted policy that he’s dug up from the landfill. He’s gone from having his finger on the pulse to having his hand on a ….turd. Labour and the Greens can’t get rid of him fast enough. National see him drowning in the polls where there is more mileage for even them to say fuck off rather than maybe. Not only does nobody want him, nobody needs him. He’s lost virtually any and all appeal and relevance. Well done the Greens for standing up and teaching the old master about ……Karma. I feel a little sorry for Winston but he’s had the brush in his hand all along and painted his own picture. I feel by September it will look like a fecal Jackson Pollock…..very much like the “artwork” Chucky is working on.

    • 🙂
      It’s getting harder and harder to feel any sympathy for the man. He’s fucked his own legacy. I’ve been asking myself over the past few months – whatever happened to Winston, and the only answer I can come up with is the very exceptional and egotistical Shane who seems to be doing his best to emulate the world’s other populist “retail” politicians. Winston shudda gone to Specsavers because there are a couple of others he’d have been better hooking up with as a BFF.
      And to think…. all that campaigning and Wineboxing down the drain

  4. Interesting; my opinion of the Greens edges back up a little, but not enough to vote for them again. It’s a shame that Peters has taken this so personally, and he’s a bit of an idiot showing that he’s just another mean old Scot – elderly Celts can get this way- bunch of old grumps – but he’s likely spent quite big bucks on the off-shore advisors tasked with helping the New Zealand democratic process along.

  5. I left the Green party after about 17 years because they supported Winston’s bill. Back in the day of Rod & Jeanette they and the others fought hard against such a bill. I have no idea why the Greens supported, I know lots of people who left because they did. If a party veers right away from what it ‘campaigned on and believes in’ then why shouldn’t someone who wants to stick to the kaupapa leave the party and stay in parliament. This is what Anderton initially did and I was a founding member of NLP back then. It was labour that moved away from its roots, not Anderton!

  6. Martyn and Jacindafan
    What about a tiny reference to the subject of the issue Winston is complaining about?
    Presumably it must be avoided in the avalanche of hyperbolic slander,as the subject of your vitriol is perfectly correct in trying to protect the integrity of our democratic system, so you have studiously avoided looking at it.
    In our MMP system half the representatives are chosen from a party list. For small parties the members usually all depend on their position on the party list for their seat in parliament . If they use that system to gain their seat and then reject the party’s manifesto once in parliament the system is being misused .
    D J S

  7. I agree with you David Stone. It is the ISSUE that is important.
    The Greens have alienated me because I think that people who leave the party that they are/were elected with
    must leave Parliament and stand again.
    I believe that this is a necessary part of implementing our electoral democracy.

    • Agree with David and Dotti 100% there.

      I have been scratching my head for months as to; – why should we trust any MP who wants to jump the fence to another party they were voted in for?????


      • CG
        Its a matter of principle and some protection against the corruption of money such as Shane Jones and fisheries.

        Which waka will Jones jump to next.

      • +100 DJS, Dotti, CLEANGREEN …it is a unprincipled betrayal of the voters who voted them in for their Party ….if they were principled they would resign from their Party and stand as an Independent

    • No Dotti, you are in a party that goes off track, as Labour did, why should you who remain with the kaupapa have to leave.

      • “why should you who remain with the kaupapa have to leave.” Because they are in the minority, maybe a minority of one. They may be the only one in the party that placed that interpretation on an issue, or they may be the only one who places that priority on that issue in relation to others that are negotiating to advance a raft of issues.
        I believe that political parties are an impediment to democracy and to government; that it would be better if representatives were elected from each community , small enough that they are known to some extent by the majority of the electorate on the basis of their personal qualities. And they should then go into parliament without predetermined goals except to make decisions for the country together with the other independent M P s on the basis of what is best for the country and it’s citizens.
        But it would be hard to eliminate parties, they would go underground if they were outlawed, so our system incorporates them as being an essential component of our democracy with the party list.So the party has to be a little democracy within the larger one if there is to be any democracy at all.
        D J S

      • I meant to add that if someone with a bit of charisma can gain a list position in a minor but significant party’s list , and then once in parliament jump ship to the major party that they always truly supported , it becomes an obvious ploy by a major party to cheat the democratic process.
        D J S

  8. Winston is the undisputed master of last minute parliamentary “Rug Pulling”–Fair Pay Agreements, Capital Gains Tax, Ihumatāo, cameras on fishing boats, light rail, three strikes…and on it goes. The Greens swallowed their hideous rat in the early days of the new Govt. I guess to foster some unity, Karma has now been employed.

    Yes Mr Peters could have cemented a fair legacy in this term, but chose not to because of his friendship with the Talleys and all manner of other vicious old tory scumbags. Likewise the Provincial Growth Fund could have been his legacy, little Peters memorial jettys and train routes and work schemes dotted about, but the way Shane Jones has run it means that various “movers and shakers” in the provinces have lapped up the loot and will still vote against the Govt. in Sept!

    It is a big old fail from the Grand old guy of NZ Politics, and sadly many people will be happy to see him go.

  9. I hope the Greens are winding up with more purpose and regenerate the lost interest voters. The next Govt. and NZ society will benefit with more Green policy intervention. e.g Tax the Rich, Make polluting business pay, Oppose Neo-Lib ideas etc. A vote for Greens is nearly as good as one for Labour as they are almost a surefire coalition, even if Labour get over 51% on it’s own. I hope so.

    • I regard the vote as better than for Labour. We are much more likely to get real change on child poverty if the greens are there.

  10. We do have some things to thank Winston for such as the gold card which many Kiwis use daily.
    If it wasn’t for Winston we still would not have a gold card although many other countries have an equivalent of better deal still.

    • John does everyone need the gold card, no no no. I want targetted support. I neither need the gold card nor do I need the winter energy payment. Why aren’t these targetted to those with a community services card and those at the other end of life that are poor.

      • There are various argument for universal age benefits and the effect of screening on perceived wealth. Player gear up to work the system and it would take a lot of resource to implement a “fair” screening system
        Michal make a regular donation to a worthy charity.

  11. This blog supported the Waka jumping bill as did most sensible Lefty’s because of Nzf in 96 and the alliance falling apart. I don’t see why anyone elected to a list has the right to remain in parliament if they jump ship because they weren’t elected the party was…. Honestly if you jump ship someone else from the party should take your seat.

  12. Go the Green’s .. this makes up for the ‘Freedom Flotilla’. They are preforming ok on cannabis too ..

    Still not sold on their economic management and ability to address housing issues. But credit where credit is due .. you did well here boi .. feed it to NZFirst !! lol =)

  13. Solve the problem

    Vote strategic

    Vote Green

    Ugh! What am I saying?

    But then again, I said this in 1995

    Eventually, in September 1994, Meurant decided to break away from National and to establish his own party, adopting the name “Right of Centre” (or “ROC”). The acronym represented Meurant’s right-wing economic philosophy of privatisation of government assets.

    The new party was originally conceived by former National MPs Rob Munro (formerly a lieutenant-colonel in the New Zealand Army), lawyer Graham Reeves, and Meurant. Munro and Reeves had lost their National seats in 1993. Meurant remained in Parliament but was an implacable critic of Prime Minister Jim Bolger. To some extent the new party represented an opportunity for the former MPs to re-enter parliament. However, as the 1996 general election loomed, Munro retreated to obscurity and Reeves returned to the National Party fold to contest the unwinnable Tukituki electorate seat for National.
    Relationship with National Party

    Meurant held the view that the new MMP formula for delivering parliamentary seats precluded any single party from achieving an outright majority (except in the most exceptional circumstances). Misguidedly, he anticipated that Prime Minister Bolger and his trusted aide, Finance Minister Bill Birch, (now Sir William Birch), would recognise the mathematical inevitability of the MMP formula and embrace Meurant and the former National party conspirators, in a post-election coalition.

    But Meurant had mis-read the animosity Bolger had for him that, in the final analysis, condemned Meurant’s party to oblivion. Though history did vindicate Meurant’s belief that the MMP formula would not deliver an outright winning party at the polls. In fact, in 1996, the Bolger government finally accepted the inevitability of Meurant’s claim and reached a pact with ACT, the second political party to be formed under MMP. ACT had been formed by former Labour Finance Minister Roger Douglas (now Sir Roger Douglas). National withdrew its candidate from the Wellington Central electorate to ensure ACT’s candidate, Richard Prebble, would succeed in the election. This provided ACT with an electorate MP to offset its failure (as happened with all minor parties in the first general election under MMP (including the Christian Coalition) to reach the 5% threshold of votes to qualify as a political party with “List MPs” in parliament. This manoeuvre enabled Bolger to cobble together a coalition with ACT personalities whom he preferred to Meurant.

    Prior to the 1996 general election, however, and prior to Meurant resigning from National, Meurant came to an arrangement with Bolger whereby Right-of-Centre would not oppose the National Party government in votes of confidence and supply; in exchange, Meurant would keep his governmental post as Parliamentary Undersecretary for Agriculture.

    Until the emergence of other dissident National and Labour MPs (who formed the political party United with a base of seven MPs), Meurant actually held the balance of power and this allowed the National government to maintain its majority in the House.

    Meurant built a political party largely on the provincial farming network of Federated Farmers (former president Lumsden was a candidate) and Meat Board representatives (Tim Britton and John McCarthy were both candidates).

    On 8 June 1995, Meurant was joined by Trevor Rogers, another dissident National MP. Rogers was well known for his campaigns against pornography. He was a particular opponent of the internet, which he saw as facilitating the distribution of pornography and, in 1994, he had proposed a bill to completely outlaw the viewing of pornography on the internet. After a long period of argument with his fellow National MPs, Rogers decided that his future did not lie with the National Party and he transferred his allegiance to Right of Centre. This gave the party two MPs.

    In September 1995, Right of Centre clashed with the National Party when Ross Meurant was sacked as Parliamentary Undersecretary for Agriculture. This came as a result of Meurant’s accepting a directorship of Prok Bank, a Russian-owned bank registered in Vanuatu. Prime Minister Bolger believed that this directorship was inappropriate for someone holding an executive post in government, and requested that Meurant resign the directorship. Meurant refused, and was sacked as Parliamentary Undersecretary. Despite the tension this generated, Right of Centre continued to support the National government.
    General Election, 1996

    Meanwhile, Right of Centre was not achieving the success in the polls that Meurant and Rogers had hoped. Meurant had strategised his party to capture a portion of the provincial conservative vote in New Zealand, but after more than a year, the party was still barely registering. It was decided to rebrand the party as the New Zealand Conservative Party. The group retained its socially conservative policies but also attempted to win support from the rural sector. This new campaign was based on the claim that National, once strongly associated with the agricultural sector, had abandoned farmers for “big business” and the cities. This new attempt to build a voter base did not meet with any noticeable success.

    As the election loomed, internal disputes in Right of Centre occurred. In February 1996, Meurant rejected pressure from the executive of the party to abandon right-wing economic policies in favour of the more traditional and socialist provincial New Zealand policies. Meurant refused, claiming he alone had garnered substantial monetary donations from wealthy individuals, and on the promise of right wing economic policy forming the basis of the new party.

    When the executive of the Party overruled Meurant and refused to return political donations garnered by Meurant on the promise of right wing economic policies, Meurant left the party and became an independent, following the path of most former independent MPs: to political oblivion. After the general election of 1996, the remnants of the party amalgamated with the United Party.

  14. The socially conservative and old shut-ins vote for the rich overseas. I’m seeing Trotter’s point of view about Winston now that it’s too late. He is a constant sigh-monger among we Left, obviously.

    But ideals are always easier to follow. Why the Right overseas concentrates on bullshit ones.


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