The Venn diagram of people who believe Judith gained this information by chance and those who believe 5G might spread Covid is a perfect circle.
It seems obvious that taking out Iain was pure collateral damage for National as they strove to divert attention from their dirty politics implosion.
Note how Jacinda passed the Info directly to Judith & left it at that, where as Judith tells the media that she has sent info through after she magically gets asked the question from Garner.
Jacinda showed leadership, Judith played politics.
Aroha vs Utu, that’s what this country is deciding on in September.
A leader who builds or a leader who destroys.
The ruthlessness that Judith has shown alongside the ease with which she executed Iain for purely diversionary tactics should make every Kiwi gasp in shock.
Crusher as Prime Minister would be a terrifying prospect on every front from public education to public health to public welfare to public policing to public housing to public prisons.
Look at the billions National intend to cut from public spending if they get elected…
National would need to cut tens of billions in public services to meet debt target
National’s draft debt target would require it to slash government borrowing by $80 billion leading to what could be some of the harshest public service cuts seen in New Zealand history.
…the harshest public service cuts seen in NZ History!
How is it that you don’t hear that in the news?
How is it that this feature of what National want to do is screaming from every news headline?
It is deeply egregious to me that we are facing one of the largest economic and social challenges of our lifetime with the post pandemic recovery and we are wasting time over who slept with whom?
We deserve a better democracy, a better media and a better quality of debate this election. These policy decisions that National are quietly passing along while everyone is in a moral panic over the culture of Parliament is an outrageous dereliction of duty by the media and punditry class.
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Ardern plays her cards on the table in an honest transparent manner and always for the greater good.
Collins plays her cards under the table hidden from view and always with a divisive and selective hidden agenda.
One is trustworthy. One is not. This is what the September election vote will be about.
But she lied about benefit increases, which those on TAS and SB never got.
We only have one choice;
To vote Judith Collins National Party out of parliament by any means possible.
Otherwise if Collins gets to rule NZ Parliament, her Government will offer NZ to China for a ‘peppercorn price’ – and enslave us for all time.
What? Are you telling me that we presently have an independent trade arrangement with China? Really? Please explain.
Not screaming, I think you mean (typo).
If judeath doesn’t make it to PM this election she could always audition for acting in a horror show she has the facial and credentials to be very effective.
And no make up or special effects required.
If judeath doesn’t make it to PM this election she could always audition for acting in a horror show she has the facial and credentials to be very effective.
If judeath doesn’t make it to PM this election she could always audition for acting in a horror show she has the facial and credentials to be very effective.
I’m voting for Hamish Walker so he doesn’t have to return the stolen $60,000 salary he’s getting, at least people are getting something with the playground money!
Labour will poll higher without ILG. The highly politicised heads of ACC, INZ, and WorkSafe had him right where they wanted him. Now he is no longer an impediment to transformation in those agencies. It was a straight forward and absolutely correct decision for Jacinda. Other Ministers and would be Ministers should note this well.
Unlike last election, Labour can be expected to win this election well. If we don’t have Micky Joe Savage type reforms by this Christmas and massive state interventions then we should all grab some rosary beads – if we haven’t already.
Agree Pontus, ILG was similar to Carmel Sepuloni in terms of having been captured by the expert Neo Lib managerialists in their Ministries.
I doubt that Galloway’s behaviour is all that unusual among politicians.
I think there might be a risk that Jacinda has placed herself in a difficult position by sacking him when the next affair is ferreted out by team Judy. She might finish up having to sack half her front bench because of the precedent.
D J S
Ah, but Mallard has today passed around the Code of Conduct which they’re all now signing so today can be year zero and all behaviour predating year zero of the Code can be voided.
David Stone: “She might finish up having to sack half her front bench because of the precedent.”
Heh! My view as well. And I agree with the rest of your comment.
It’s a case of humans being humans. He isn’t sheep-shagging, or a paedophile. Which are in fact crimes.
Christ….I’m sick to death of the humourless indignation. Does his sacking qualify as virtue-signalling? Or is it a manifestation of the cancel culture?
Herman you think National will win because Labour built a playground (I am assuming your comments that you are voting labour because of the playground is sarc. Wholely hell yeah voters walking around in covid free economy open NZ while the rest of the world burns is really going to March in the street over a playground ffs
Well lucky just one very one sided opinion. We are Not all fooled so easily. Forget sweet smiles and let’s get on with what serves all nz long term.
Whatever about ‘utu’ as a guiding motivation – what it comes down to, in terms of practicality, is that Judith just hasn’t given evidence of the skills necessary for government and management.
Judith Collins is hellbent on vindictiveness and ‘getting even’. It’s a quality that is not becoming of a female(and yes I am a female)and a politician(thankgoondess I am not of that ilk).
Recently I have been reading the Nicky Hagar book Dirty Politics. The behaviour of Collins even at publication of that book almost 6 years ago and looking at her repeat performance even now indicates to me she hasn’t changed or rather ‘improved with age’.
In fact she has aged badly and dangerously. She is hellbent on getting even and this personal vendetta of her against those she views as the ‘enemy’ is a concern.
I will NOT be voting for Judith Collins or the hardly if ever seen National MP in our electorate. In fact I don’t think a National MP has ever knocked at our door in a lower socio-economic region of Auckland perhaps because the electorate we are in is a secure Labour seat.
But I am sure Judith and co will be making their usual easy to be broken ‘pre-election’ promises eg promising $31billion to reduce congestion over 10 years despite the fact from 2008 through to 2017 they did bugger all to reduce congestion in Auckland whilst in government.
But then as per NZ National Party Mantra actions they will be all too eager to blame Labour and even the dysfuctional Super City Auckland Council(an animal of a National government making)for Dorkland being in such a mess. No blame will be cast towards National as their MPs are incapable of making mistakes. Yeah Right.
Yes let’s oversimplify: doom, death endless winter, famine, disease, biblical plague events, or sunshine, happy thoughts, rainbows and glitter, Gondwana.
Actual life is a tad more complex.
Collins is horrible and happy to be seen that way as part of her thatcher routine.
Ardern cultivates “nice” but it is a facade, she’s a walking slogan with lies or empty promises behind it.
Keepcalmcarryon “Ardern cultivates “nice” but it is a facade, she’s a walking slogan with lies or empty promises behind it.” Really ?
That’s an extreme sort of claim to be making- without any evidence. The PM’s instinctive reaction to some terrible things has seemed to be one of genuine empathy. An appearance of niceness can be quite hard to maintain without a big consumption of energy due to inner tension – being a young mum and running a country at the same time would put her in the superwoman class if she were as nasty by nature as you imply. I don’t think so.
She comes across as a good person in a way that may seem a bit cloying to gauche Kiwis, but after Shipley and Clark both being fairly devoid of grace and charm, and our male politicians being an unpolished lot, it’s quite nice having someone socially switched on for a change – and with better communication skills than most journos.
Never ever forget how Shipley and Clark both preached at us like a couple of Meghan Markles – and how Marama Davidson wanted the whole country to start saying ‘cunt’ and hate on Pakeha and police.
There’s been no such personal agendas from Jacinda Ardern, and no positivity from the crumbling Nats, so we go with what we’ve got – hope for a decent coalition, try not to wince at Winston’s attempts at relevancy; I’m quite sorry that some of the intellectually impressive people that TOP produced at the last election can’t be part of government – the Greens replaced by Greenpeace.
Snow White: “She comes across as a good person in a way that may seem a bit cloying to gauche Kiwis…”
I think that commenters here need to realise that no pollie can please everyone, and that’s so with Ardern. As I’ve said to you before, I’ve never warmed to her. I was disappointed when she took the leadership from Little, who is much more my kind of pollie. Though I certainly don’t like his proposed hate speech law.
I prefer my pollies largely charisma-free. I’m suspicious of charisma, which tends to blind people to a person’s flaws (think of that odious pair, Clinton and Blair; and Lange, unfortunately).
Like every other pollie in my considerable lifetime, Ardern has flaws: she’s human. Moreover, as a very well-informed family member has pointed out, she’s a Blairite. It’s difficult to disagree.
“Never ever forget how Shipley and Clark both preached at us like a couple of Meghan Markles….”
I’m a boomer. During the period of house arrest, I definitely felt preached at by Ardern – and others, of course. It got to the point that I wouldn’t watch news bulletins, because it was so bloody irritating.
“I’m quite sorry that some of the intellectually impressive people that TOP produced at the last election can’t be part of government…”
I quite agree. Still: all is not lost on that score. There’s an election coming up. Happen some of the better ones will make it into parliament?
D’Esterre – ” I’m a boomer. During the period of house arrest, I definitely felt preached at by Ardern – and others, of course. It got to the point that I wouldn’t watch news bulletins, because it was so bloody irritating.”
Then why watch ? I didn’t. I’ve not watched television since Trump became POTUS, and rarely watched prior to that. I got my arrest news online, and from skulking around to the BP to buy newspapers. But it was good that basically,people did watch, and did what they were told – except for 50% of older white men, according to the nice security guards at my local NSW.
Agree with you re personalities, and decided that Lange was a lowlife after a reading couple of negative comments he made about his first wife in his autobiography – nice men do not do that sort of thing. In Cuba St one day, Lange emerged from restaurant and immediately, immediately, he looked around to see if anybody was watching him, so I pretended not to see him.
Working as a researcher for Blair, Ardern would have been one of many minions – she mightn’t have even met him; one of my offspring works/ed for the Cherie Blair Foundation (I think it is) and never mentions her, but described Tony Blair as evil. Same offspring worked up in Parliament here and has a tape recording of Mike Moore throwing a wobbly because no-one had cleaned his shoes.
The intelligentsia in my whanau liked the Labour guy who held up the dead fish in Parliament, but as a longtime now ex-Green supporter, I’m having to look at them. I like Kelvin Davis – and heaven help us all if pollies start sprouting ‘personalities’ all over the place.
This week’s damaging and unnecessary thrusting of Iain Galloway et famille into the public eye by Judith Collins and groupies was so totally disgusting, that if that is the Nat’s dirty-as-usual ethos, then the sooner they disappear from the face of the earth the better – and in any case, with Collins an idiotic climate change denier, planet earth could implode first, so she has to go, for the sake of the future, and that’s that. She might enjoy Siberia – watching the tundra melting, and the polar bears starving.
Snow White: “Then why watch ? I didn’t.”
Neither did I, after I tired of being lectured. But my point stands: Ardern lectured us. I discovered that many other boomers were similarly irritated by it.
“But it was good that basically,people did watch, and did what they were told…”
I – along with many other people – did neither. I was astonished and concerned at the willingness of younger people in particular to just uncritically do what they were told.
“Working as a researcher for Blair, Ardern would have been one of many minions…”
When I characterise her as a Blairite, that’s not what I mean. I’m having a crack at her political philosophy.
“This week’s damaging and unnecessary thrusting of Iain Galloway et famille into the public eye…”
I’m sorry to say it, but Ardern’s sacking of him did more to publicise the issue than anything revealed by Collins. Unless he’d rorted public funds – and it appears that he hasn’t – then he did nothing wrong with regard to his political role. We urgently need less censoriousness and more acceptance of MPs’ human flaws. There’ll be nobody left to govern, otherwise.
I agree with you about the danger of politicians with charisma on a pulpit D’Esterre. The classic example was Adolf Hitler. He electrified the crowds he addressed. And Lange doing his apprenticeship as a court lawyer learned how to move and engage a crowd by the modulation of his voice much more that what he said as he once explained in an article in the Herald , calling it “damned near demagogery “.
These people are dangerous, but I don’t think this is jacinda’s style. She isnt an entertainer.
D J S
Farm fence, need its rule back, or religion, both as damaging.
Capitalism, a closed hotel room, look the cost of the fridge, tourist no home safety journey, maybe as those eyes in the south are not to our being the mind of the safest place to be.
Russel,Prebble,Cagil,and De clean, them telling us union people, MULDOON, has told us he has arranged it only he can arrange our countries monies and care, he cant he has lost the election, he says he can, daft scot says he cant and if he says its treason, so this daft scot says arrest him for treason and at that time the rope was the only justice maybe still. Lange a while later said some people wanted to charge Muldoon, with treason, that wis me no soft cock Lange.
Russel, should have been surname Marshall. The then elected Labour representative of Whanganui,then Wanganui, the oldest first city in New Zealand, and also the first elected Labour city.Changed when spud Boldger thought he had control, no not, Shipley, appointed arranged the electrol boundries, to today.YET ENSURED, the farm fence has changed, our fence vote has ensured Labour, will never again be a Wanganui Town
Russel, was Russel Marshal, who he to the worker of Wanganui, the red reverant, lost care thought as who!s the part or Maori capitalist fright now saying. Is our humanity abstract, is there a sculpture to say this is us, is art wealth look this is me who are you, look at my wealth, who are you. what value your humanity, your wealth!s blindness the stage is yours you self and breath, humanity has and does care.
Weird socialism, some place around with these lots.
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Bomber, your argument is weak. Niceness is a flaky measure of superior politics. You suggest it shows us who we can trust. The position politicians take on issues may be a better measure. Better than shafting Judith for manipulating media (her pliable media) to make Jacinda look bad.
I admire Judith’s position on women’s issues. Especially when she votes against legalising prostitution because prostitution is rape that is paid for – if the woman is lucky. She’s not all bad like you depict her. Where she’s really bad is on climate change denial. This means big business as usual drives her policies. Jacinda needs to stand up to this by chucking out the elements of neo-liberalism in her policies and pratices.
The images of Jacinda’s toothy smiles v. Judith’s scowls are strong indicators of niceness, but the image of a long road for tourists, is a stronger image of the stupidity of rampant capitalism. All these tourists supposedly descending on us again in a virus-free future, are going to want to drive through tunnels and not the steep roads with stunning views of our beautiful landscape. Reject the daft plans of the greedy, embrace the plans that take care of us all!
Heres something good thats happened under this gummit:
Mass poisoning led to law for new safe water national body …
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422004/mass-poisoning-led-to-law-for-new-safe-water-national-body
When I lived in Huia and worked out on the dams in a maintenance and construction gang during the 1980’s when the ARA was in charge, the place was well maintained, lawns were mowed or sheep grazing, revegetation was carried out, concrete structures and bridges repaired, tracks cleared and things received a lick of paint to prevent rust and rot,…the areas concerning all the dams were functioning and tidy.
Now when I go out there on the odd occasion the place is a run down, unkempt looking hole. So much for privatization. As for Havelock North? – we could never dream of four people dieing because of bad water supply’s. Absolutely unheard of back then. Why?- because all these assets were regulated and maintained . Unfit water just wouldn’t pass muster and things would have been rectified pronto.
And the passing of the The Taumata Arowai – Water Services Regulator Act and the forming of Taumata Arowai is a step in the right direction, – a direction we should never have left and let Roger Douglas’s free market fanaticism destroy this country.
I’ll add further that this is yet another black mark against the John Key / Bill English led administration that let these conditions prevail.
or Intelligence& experience v (pretty) airhead. good job with covid I will concede
Oh dear. And there I was, thinking we had MMP and not FPP.
Hypocrisy and inaction vs selfishness and nastiness.
Mike – ” Hypocrisy and inaction vs selfishness and nastiness.”
Experienced both, think both contemptible. However selfishness and nastiness are worse, as evidenced by the pro-active vindictiveness documented by Nicky Hager, and progressed obscenely with Collin’s recent contemptible hit job on Galloway – not that I care two hoots about him personally. Hypocrites tend to be moral cowards, often self-delusional, not worth engaging with – manipulative survivors like that chappie with the kiss curl – but the vindictive never give up, and are hence very destructive.
I certainly don’t believe that PM Ardern is a hypocrite, and nor does the global community, and the incoming Labour govt will have to show us so, by winding back on neoliberalism, addressing very real ingrained poverty issues and the arduous task of healing the physical environment wrecked under self-serving Nats – many or most of whom will be gone, and jolly good riddance. They had their day, and they blew it.
Judith Collins is all jacked up on rightwing amphetamines and shes got half the skill of her predecessors. So I’m just assuming the greatest tragedy of the 2020 election is about to unfold in their laps.
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