The new hysterically shrill battlecry of desperate Death Cult Capitalists is that Big Sister Jacinda has committed an illegal coup to install a Socialist Police State.
Really? This accusation seems to skip a couple of goose steps.
Firstly, what we’ve seen with the questions of legal legitimacy of the public health order is a functioning democracy. There were clearly internal questions made by the Police over what was permissible and what wasn’t and to clarify things the second Public Health Notice was submitted.
That’s a far goose step away from the Government plotting to install a Police State for political power. This was a response to a bloody pandemic, not a late night attempt to take over the country under martial law!
Context is everything, yes we became a Police State, but it was a begrudgingly accepted thing because of the public health threat, it wasn’t an attempt to usurp the Realm!
Watching the right scream Che Jacinda committed a pandemic coup to take over the country with a Police State would be far more valid if they’d also been just as vocal when Key misused urgency & passed mass surveillance powers and colluded with the SIS to falsely smear Goff months before the 2011 election!
I mean of we are going to start claiming abuses of power, let’s line them up with actual abuses of power under Key – and that’s no ‘whataboutism’, that’s straight comparison. If the Right are honestly claiming a misuses of power, then compare that with previous examples to see how ridiculous this accusation is!
This Government saved this country from a pandemic, that they were rushing ill fitting legislation through to ensure our safety does not equate to a malicious conspiracy to take over the country and insinuating that it does is disingenuous at best and purposely deceitful at worst!
If anything, the Friday document dump shows a Government tackling one of the most unprecedented events in NZ history with real leadership.
The dump reveals a Government doing the best they could, the leak reveals arrogance – the former matters, the latter is clickbait journalism.
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I still can’t get upset at these alt right Mike Hoskings type death cult capitalists who are clearly suffering severe mental health issues.
……………. “LOL” …………
some things are ekshully a matter of record, which is why they’re probably getting a teensie bit desperate about now,
(Not that that’ll stop them)
Whether the legal basis was sound or not, I’d have done what they said to anyway – they were acting on pretty good advice. Was I going to run into the market square wailing, “Is this legal ?” No. I defer to experts.
If, as Prof Claudia Geirginger, public and constitutional law expert, has examined dispassionately, some legal boundaries may benefit from being revisited along the track by the legislature, then this is excellent, for it will ensure legal legitimacy whatever could occur in the future, of which we have little idea now – and soothe the present savage beasties’ bumbling brows.
The paranoia of Death Cult Capitalists about the state of our democracy is comical in the context of what the National Govt did to New Zealand in 1951. Much of this, possibly all of it, was fuelled by the cold war fear of Russian communism, and the almost hysterical belief that an iron curtain was going to be hung all over New Zealand by the Labour movement. It was reds under the beds time.
In the 1951 snap election, clergy ordered their congregations who to vote for. I knew well the ancient widow of a Catholic layman Labour candidate who the then bishop of Christchurch told the nuns, and the priests, not to vote for, and his family was subject to a communist smear; this impacted majorly upon the family, particularly one adolescent labelled ‘communist’ for not kneeling in church- because they had water on the knee; I understand the candidate to have unionised the Addington Workshops, but do not know the time sequence; he was also proactive for many years in the WEA, at a time when well educated workers were very likely perceived as a threat to the establishment – hence the dumbing down of the state education system under the aegis of neoliberalism.
The influence of the clergy at that particular time cannot be over-estimated. Later on Muldoon had links with odd prominent Catholics, and ironically The Catholic Candidate, morphed into a Muldoon supporter and penpal. The adolescent communist became the kindest woman in the Hutt valley – hounded by her good Catholic family for morphing into atheism, died too young.
We all know where the political clout is firmly embedded now, it is with the ‘Greed is Good’ groupies, and what’s more, any notion that the NZ Police would be party to any left wing conspiracies, is – with due respect to the cops – as realistic as Elvis being alive and my winning Lotto.
Well,… between Martyn’s Death Cult Capitalists and your ‘Greed is Good
Groupies’ – I reckon we’ve just about got it sorted out nicely!
It them ! Its those bloody Capitalist Groupie bastards !
The DCCGGG’S !!!!
Last month I was chipping away at a timeline of NZ Pandemic preparedness this Millenia; from SARS-COV-1 to SARS-COV-2 (never got the graph looking presentable though).
The Key government’s shoving-in the requirement to (holistically) focus on economic over health outcomes in 2016 was particularly interesting. I assume some thought that that (influenza) Pandemic plan would be followed automatically in response to a different novel virus. However, through blind luck this exercise seems to have been a real wakeup call at just the right time (with a coincidental coronavirus-looking image even):
https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/2019/11/11/new-zealands-poor-pandemic-preparedness-according-to-the-global-health-security-index/
Coup or no coup, which is the reality, I rather suspect the public buy in is fast fading. And if there government is blind to this, they’d better wake up fast.
We’re tired of mindless queues at the supermarket, only to find once your in the place morons stand in bunches where 2 metre rules die a death. Without the level 3 regulations people would not have mindlessly queued at Burgerfuel. That was simply not a feature before regulations.
We’re tired of being watched.
We’re wanting to go somewhere, buy something and to be trusted to be adults, to be careful and, shock horror, police ourselves.
One or two infections per day tied to a known cluster no longer justifies restrictions on the freedom of movement nor does it stop the world turning.
And law abiding businesses should not suffer any further delay in getting back on their feet through ironic poorly thought out and massively inconsistent regulations.
Release the brakes with the warning it’s up to all of us now, we the government have achieved all we can because times up, the goodwill has evaporated
Your confidence in NZ being a country of adults who can police themselves has already proved to be misplaced. Since you are of the opinion that “….law abiding businesses should not suffer any further delay in getting back on their feet through ironic poorly thought out and massively inconsistent regulations….” prove your genius and present an alternative structure that would preclude the dickhead element from stuffing things up completely. While working on your proposals, keep in mind that the current international carnage was started with only one single solitary case of a mutated infection. Also note that Sweden, where there are proportionately far more sensible adults than NZ can boast, isn’t faring too well under the structure you are advocating. Yesterdays statistics Sweden – Population: 10.23 million Coronavirus Cases: 25,921 Deaths: 3,220 Recovered: 4,971.
I’m not knocking the original premise for the level 4 lockdown but I am telling you, the consent is gone from the majority of people to keep going. Level 3 had been a farce, more of a level 1.8. Anyway you prove your genius and look around you. People are over it!
How do you propose we police this without buy in, use the military, at gun point?
What the lock down did was buy time, to give our hopelessly disjointed poorly equipped health system a chance to prepare and get some kind of systems in place.
This will either succeed with the will of the people or we take our chances knowing that to be the case. The alternative is the China model, as dishonest as that is and good luck with that one.
Yep absolutely bang on xray.
Also agree with lockdown but should have been earlier and less draconian.
Last couple of trips to town, folks are yarning with the neighbours, having coffees at cafes outside with mates or catching up in the supermarket.
God spare us another 1 o’clock presser where we are patronized with how good we are and how to add the latest 2 cases to the total to reach whatever it is now.
NZ is already at less than level 2, the great unwashed are moving on, let’s hope the bureaucrats can keep up.
Xray
Get over it. Take a shower
The “economy ” has a lot of adjusting to do before we are ready for the next pandemic.
They’ve really gone off the deep end. Kiwiblog comments are usually gold, but reading them in the last couple of weeks has been like watching a patients’ revolt at a lunatic asylum.
Have to admit. Jacinda would look good in a commie beret…
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