The Orange skies over Auckland and fires in Australia are a problem for climate deniers

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Hey Auckland – look up to the sky and see your climate change future – anyone else still believe being carbon neutral in 30 years is a solution?

Ultimately the problem for NZ climate deniers & their corporate polluter mates is the sky over Auckland right now and the catastrophic fires in Australia that are causing it.

While they attempt to minimise & underplay climate crisis, the rapid decline in the environment will keep interrupting their lies.

This isn’t a one off, it’s just the start.

This is our future.

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We can pretend the world will come together to find a solution or we can accept the limitations of human nature and the corrupted political process and adopt a radical solution.

How will you explain this sky to your children as you tuck them in tonight?

Oh and when climate deniers and climate minimisers attempt to claim these bush fires are normal and the fault of arson and incompetent bush management – remind them the wet forests are on fire for the first time and that those claims are lies…

Bushfires devastate rare and enchanting wildlife as ‘permanently wet’ forests burn for first time

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

What are the links between climate change and bushfires? – explainer

82 COMMENTS

  1. Another illustrating example.

    …one of ten-thousands cases allover the globe.

    This needs to lead to organized climate resilience and civil resistance by everyone who still has his / her senses together.

    The present NZAO party structure and personnel composition will not be capable to respond adequately to the upcoming challenges.

    A radical political platform is required that is gradually able to build up local, alternative systems, simultaneously putting political pressure on Labour and the Greens, potential spill-over effects to the other parties.

    No need to wait for 2023.

    If the queen does not come to the people, the people have to come to the queen.

    System Change. Now.

      • Parliament have no plans for greater community resilience nor of local food supply and co-operative community employment project. Nor have any political party at present.
        Even implementing the UBI would start to free up co-operative community thinking.

  2. Tree let your naked arms fall

    nor extend vain entreaties to the radiant ball.
    This is no gallant monsoon’s flash,

    no dashing trade wind’s blast.

    The fading green of your magic

    emanations shall not make pure again

    these polluted skies . . . for this

    is no ordinary sun.

  3. It is a one off. You can only burn this massive amount of fuel they have in the states of Australia once every generation (sensible people would have burn offs when it is safe as has been done in the past 50,000 years before woke. 50,000 BW).
    Because of the non fortress thinking, Australians that wanted to let the place become an out of control stake in the sand seem happy to apparently show us that MM climate change is real. Fuckwits. MM sabotage is real, and I’m sure will be proven when the arsonists get to court.

  4. Sorry Martyn, this is not evidence of climate change. It’s summer in a most Bush-fire prone part of the world with fauna dependent on fire. You’ve not mentioned the fires that have been deliberately lit? You’ve also not mentioned that lack of cool burning of fuel buildup. In the major fires in Victoria, protests stopped the burn off and now you’re seeing the result.
    Suggest you read the story on the lose of the town named Paradise in California. One of the major fires that have occurred in that state in the last 15 years was caused by one tree next to a power line.

    • With all due respect, what a load of climate denying bullshit Michael.

      The extreme heat and drought has set the bush alight in places it’s never fucking burnt before. Wet forest are on fire, that’s climate change.

      The attempt by climate deniers like you is to try and claim these are just natural events, not enough scrub born off + some deliberately lit fires and pow, just a normal fire.

      What you are ignoring is the the fact that the bush is so tinder dry (as it was in California) because of climate change, the super heating of the planet is allowing for forests to burn where they’ve never burnt. That is the reality.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-27/bushfires-devastate-ancient-forests-and-rare-wildlife/11733956

      • Micheal is a a perfect example of a professiomnal company climate denier, sent to quell the flames of disconent.

        No use arguing with these deadheads.

        Best medicine is to ay back ignorence to their bold ignorence – is best policy here.

      • Many climate deniers are ignorant and because of their bias do not seek out information to educate themselves and their circle of friends. They cling hopefully to their denial and accept any bullshit that supports denial.
        The bigger picture and change is just too frightening for them.

  5. The worlds going to be fucked sooner than we think but the good news… it will recover once the parasitic scourge called homo sapiens kills itself off by destroying the only environment it had. Time for a new dominant species to evolve and fill the gap. It’s going to be tough on the coming generations but mankinds demise will be not too lingering now that theres a good chance that a major catastrophic war will speed things up.

  6. There’s a good explainer of the interaction of the droughts in Aus making the fires so extreme and the climatic conditions that seem to be causing it. More heat causes more evaporation causes more rain, but it’s falling on the wrong side of the Indian ocean.
    ” Climate deniers” don’t in the main deny the existence of climate. Neither do they deny the existence of climate change, in fact they point out that it is normal and that it has always changed and that it always will. It is those on the other side of the argument that insist that the only reason the climate could possibly be changing must be because of something mighty man is doing. It couldn’t possibly change by itself.
    You are the climate denier Martyn not me.
    D J S

    • I see you are still banging your ‘I am right and all the scientists are wrong, it’s not CO2′ drum.

      ” Climate deniers” don’t in the main deny the existence of climate.’

      Let’s get this right. It’s not climate. It’s not climate change. It’s not just warming. It is extraordinarily rapid overheating of the Earth.

      Current rates of change in geochemistry -particularly the surge in atmospheric CO2 and acidification of the oceans by CO2 that dissolves- outstrip anything in the geological record going back at least 250 million years i.e. faster than the CO2-induced Permian Extinction Event.

      ‘[The Permian Extinction] is the Earth’s most severe known extinction event, with up to 96% of all marine species[6][7] and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct.[8] It was the largest known mass extinction of insects. Some 57% of all biological families and 83% of all genera became extinct. Because so much biodiversity was lost, the recovery of land-dwelling life took significantly longer than after any other extinction event,[6] possibly up to 10 million years.’

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian–Triassic_extinction_event

      Humans are known to have caused the extinction of a multitude of species since the time humans invented weapons but the rate of extinction went into ‘overdrive’ with the advent of industrialism and the human population explosion that industrialism based on burning ancient carbon facilitated.

      The rate of overheating the Earth by industrial humans is best indicated the heat content of the ocean, and you will note that CO2 imbalance started to really dominate from the 1970s on:

      https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-ocean-heat

    • This is not rubbish.

      https://ecoscenography.com/ecological-thinking/

      Ecological thinking helps to understand the complexity. Climate change modelling and associating relevant adaptation skills are by no means ideology but science-based theory and practice.

      Humans play an essential role in terrestrial interacting processes, unfortunately including significant release of GHG emissions, mainly through production processes since start of industrialization.

      Philosophy may help a bit, too – if you find time:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4W4M8Z8VQ

  7. There is not the political or social will to do anything meaningful to stop a climate catastrophe. Those on the left who believe there is or that there eventually will be, are delusional. The only hope for mankind is some sort of technological breakthrough where we can control our weather system. That’s not going to happen anytime soon, so I suggest prepare as best as you can for a warming planet.

      • Geoengineering at its best can only postpone the inevitable rise in temperature. Its a reductionist discussion ignoring the overall consequences including resource depletion and energy harvesting to implement such a scheme over an idefinite time frame.

        • The answer to Climate Change is as Theodore Roosevelt did to solve The Great Depression and employ millions of workers is to tax corperations and the rich. No mai haere mai Fortress Aotearoa.

          • Agreed Sam.
            Those that extract their wealth from communities, owe that wealth to those communities so need to pay back taxes to make those communities function well for all the community members.

  8. The inexorable rise in atmospheric CO2 that comes from burning coal, oil and natural gas -desequestration of ancient carbon- will see 418 ppm broken through this year

    Daily CO2
    Jan. 4, 2020: 413.65 ppm
    Jan. 4, 2019: 410.03 ppm

    In addition to megafires and firestorms we have increased torrential rain and catastrophic flooding to look forward to as a result of the fuckwit mentality that is endemic in political circles throughout the world.

    ‘JAKARTA: Floods that killed more than 50 people in Indonesia’s capital after the biggest rainfall since records began should be a wake-up call to climate change in one of the world’s biggest carbon emitters, environmental groups said.
    But, despite the catastrophe in Southeast Asia’s biggest city, authorities see no greater impetus for more cuts to planned carbon dioxide emission reductions or other measures to address climate change.’

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/jakarta-floods-indonesia-climate-change-environment-wake-up-call-12233124?fbclid=IwAR1KX68Fkby9_3sfGGDHtLnUzkIwOEwciEsWBcN7kVYQQzSWoctnoo1gpqU

  9. Only the onset of apocalyptic conditions will bring about radical change. I think Trotsky may have also had such KAOTIC thoughts. I’m an old, white, toothless & graying (it’s all our fault) boomer with nothing to loose, & the few comrades I have left are dying of cancer, so bring it on.

  10. The blame is capitalism and our altered consciousness after getting a big heaping of it. This shows as aspirational thinking, to get all the goodies that can be made under modern conditions. And when we have them to throw them out or get better ones – then repeat. Also to ignore the needs of people living simply, even to deprive them of their water sources, their productive land, their productive trees, and their wide acreage required for the simpler gatherer and hunter way of live that allowed them to be almost self-sufficient.

    So stop doing that, would be a good step. And stop the hoity-toity from feeling so clever at being able to borrow money and buy up houses and charge rents that many now can no longer afford. What is clever about that. A little bit of physical work and you have an asset that is inflating by the hour. And it is part of the moving in of hyper-capitalism on people living simply and doing stuff. Not riding round in flash cars like a bunch of mafia crims, looking for people to ‘milk’. The milking of real estate and cows is our main claim to fame, so that’s not new and innovative, and add tourism to that; that’s been an earner since pakeha settled here – that is being done to death, our country’s death.

    And Australia is no smarter. They have been affected by the neolib disease, that rotten economic trick that has brought us back to laissez faire under another name. The world has swallowed that one, that’s not smart or innovative. People who still have a brain that isn’t saturated with propaganda, need to do individual thinking and reflection and join together so we are not taken over by those authoritarians who would prevent thought; whatever the rock they emerge from, religious or not. Stick together and check all the ideas that are put forward, and then press forward. As I talk to the comfortably off, they seek to divert direct questions with prevarication and inadequate responses that show they are off on Cloud Nine, where they hope to sit apart from the hoi polloi. Try reading The Day of the Triffids, and John Christopher’s The Tripod series and The Prince in Waiting series to get your mind on fiction formed around how humans think in emergencies.

    And lastly look at where Australia, our close neighbour and theoretical and erstwhile friend acts under the pressure of neolib economics. New South Wales Fire Service makes claim to be one of the most important in the world. And present disasters would confirm this. This is what the NSW Government did to their budget last year. This was from a commenter on The Standard who noted this illustration of deadbeat government that seems all too common in the English-speaking world; I don’t know about other advanced countries, or the poorer ones.
    dv 5 6 January 2020 at 10:47 am
    AND budget cuts will not have helped.
    https://exhalantblog.wordpress.com/2020/01/03/a-standout-example-of-right-wing-truth-inversion-debating-responsibility-for-the-australian-bushfires/
    Under the 2019-20 NSW State Budget, Fire and Rescue had its capital expenditure budget cut by $28.5 million or 35 per cent.
    The Rural Fire Service has its capital expenditure budget cut by $49.9 million or 75 per cent.

  11. Here is news from Oz and some stories from survivors, who saves themselves and some of their animals and are waiting to see what they can do now.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/406747/australia-fires-mega-fire-will-form-when-huge-blaze-in-victoria-joins-up-with-fires-over-border-authorities-say

    And donations – money is best as goods need sorting and then sending to destination. Money can go to the spot and buy whatever and go direct where to.
    https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/bushfire-crisis-how-can-i-donate-and-help/11839842

  14. Air polution from Australian fires advserly affecting the air quality of NZ air today.

    Our Company CER Ltd (registered since 2002) has recently carried out air quality ‘Measurement of Particulates’ in the air above the Bay of Plenty regional hills last night, after repeated signs of air polllution recieved in the region since the Australian bush fires and was was measured to be at extreme levels so we post the measurement here now.

    At 6pm on sunday 5th January we observed the high lavels of ‘yellow sky’ developing so we took “spot samples” of air quality then and we observed readings reaching 61 ppm (parts per million) of pm 10, (a particle about one tenth of the size of human hair)

    Results of the ‘first logging of readings’ beginning of the monitoring;

    10pm 5th January 2020

    Particulates (PM) – 2.5 ppm – (parts per million) was at – 13ppm.

    Particulates (PM) – 10 ppm – (parts per million) was at – 45 ppm.

    Usual air quality readings are at near zero measurement of either 2.5 or 10 parts per million so readings such as we have witnessed here now are extremely rare or never seen as sustainable levels as seen here today.

    The measurement location was at remote farm located at 1650 ft above Opotiki on a rural site on Te Wera Rd Matawai in the Rakauroa ranges,

    This region is a remote low air pollution area historically because of the Urewera ranges park surrounding the area and is widely considered to be a very clean air pristine region due to the heavy mountainous region covered in dense pristine native bush and primeval forests.

    These readings are very worrying to the whole farming community here now.

    Measurements will now be continued for public safety and will be posted when other significant signs of air pollution are sighted.

  16. For anyone who actually understands the science behind the rapid overheating of the Earth the numbers get increasingly scary:

    Daily CO2
    Jan. 5, 2020: 413.99 ppm
    Jan. 5, 2019: 409.05 ppm

  17. Why do we still have such polluting energy systems around the world, contributing to climate change, when cheaper, less polluting forms of energy are freely available?

    The energy charter treaty considered one of the world’s most dangerous treatys and operates largely out of the public eye…

    Australian company sues Sweden for $1.8 billion for phasing out uranium mining

    Aura Energy Ltd, an Australian company also listed in the UK, has lodged an ISDS claim under the Energy Charter Treaty for US 1.8 billion compensation from the Swedish government because in 2018 it decided to phase out uranium mining for environmental reasons.

    Read more: http://aftinet.org.au/cms/node/1823

    https://www.energy-charter-dirty-secrets.org

    • Free trade agreements are STOPPING poorer people accessing cheaper energy, while strengthening the march towards climate change…

      “new ruling by the World Trade Organization could be a big blow to the growing renewable energy movement around the world.

      A WTO tribunal ruled Wednesday that India’s national solar energy program violates trade law, in a lawsuit initiated by the U.S.

      Almost half of states in the U.S. have programs that are similar to India’s, which subsidize the renewable energy industry and create local, environmentally friendly jobs.

      Environmental groups say the deal shows that the WTO and U.S. care more about free trade policies and profit than they do about moving toward renewable energy sources.”

      https://www.salon.com/2016/02/24/profit_over_the_planet_wtos_lawsuit_ruling_could_be_a_giant_blow_to_the_renewable_energy_movement/

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