A white man murders 50 black people in Christchurch; 6 months later the police drop SWAT squads into black communities in South Auckland.
We are heading down the road where the killing of black people in places like Otara and Mangere, will become as commonplace as it is in the USA (where 99% of the mass killings are committed by white people). Here’s an article from the USA.
“The entire system of policing in the United States is in crisis. Police murdering civilians has become a too common nightmare across the United States. The police murders of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO, Eric Garner in New York City, Walter Scott in Charleston, SC, Tamar Rice in Cleveland OH, Freddie Gray in Baltimore, MD, Laquan McDonald in Chicago, IL and so many more have spurred a movement to transform policing.
The power relationship between police and the community is out of balance. Militarized policing of black and brown communities resembles an occupying force. While many police departments use the slogan “protect and serve,” in too many communities, people do not feel protected or served. They feel threatened, harassed and abused by police.
The relationship between police and the people needs to change. While there have been some positive reforms like police body cameras, and special units to investigate police and increased prosecutions of police, these are not enough.”
If we don’t stop these Armed Response Units, this story will be our story tomorrow.
Hone Harawira is the Leader of the MANA Movement
A MIGRANT murders 51? people in Christchurch.
…and the TBD honorary “perpetual dick/troll” award goes to…wet fart…Castro–you have demonstrated no arguments, not one, bar some toxic nationalism, let alone constructive comments on what could or should be done so really…
Castro: “A MIGRANT…”
Indeed. And those shot were not black, either.
Moreover, skin colour is an extrinsic characteristic only: it isn’t the marker of the differences between peoples that the author evidently believes.
“…. the police drop SWAT squads into black communities in South Auckland.”
We don’t have “black” communities anywhere in NZ. The police have put SWAT squads into high-crime areas.
Well said Hone
Militarising the NZ cops has been floated in public now, and “test” implemented. It is a warped concept, they may as well call them Raptor squads for all the harm they will do. The concept of unfairly, and or unlawfully, harassing and using lethal force in brown suburbs will have predictable results–check out the USA.
The terrible Christchurch Mosque massacres weren’t a simple black and white or race, or colour issue. The shooter was a white supremacist, and specifically targeting the Muslim community, which – perhaps simplistically – makes it a religious issue; like most or all extremists, he was likely a deranged nutter.
The Auckland Muslim vigil where Green politicians and others, unfairly blamed NZ Pakeha for that tragedy in ChCh, identified with the grieving bereaved Muslim community, and told them – and the world’s media – “White people hate us,” was – most unfortunately – a racist accusation, untrue, unnecessarily polarising and extremist. It was inflammatory, and it ran directly counter to PM Ardern’s impressive,”We are one people,” response.
I can’t see any direct link between the tragedy in Christchurch, and the police decision to increase patrols, or the nature of patrols, in other geographical locations.
I wonder if this could be an occasion where community leaders could come together and look at what problems communities themselves may be able to constructively address, and possibly render increased copping unnecessary.
Applewood: “…which – perhaps simplistically – makes it a religious issue; like most or all extremists, he was likely a deranged nutter.”
Yup. Was he not reported as having said as much (they were Muslim) in his manifesto? I’m sure that’s what I remember.
“The Auckland Muslim vigil where Green politicians and others, unfairly blamed NZ Pakeha for that tragedy in ChCh, identified with the grieving bereaved Muslim community, and told them – and the world’s media – “White people hate us,” was – most unfortunately – a racist accusation, untrue, unnecessarily polarising and extremist. It was inflammatory…”
Exactly. I wasn’t there, but I heard and read extensive coverage of it and of the egregiously offensive and inaccurate things said by those women. At least two of them were MPS, who ought to have known better. I believe that some people – and not all of them white – walked out. By rights, every white person there ought to have decamped en masse. When those women claimed that “White people hate us,”, what we all heard – because that’s what they meant for us to hear – was, “We hate white people!”
If I’d been wavering at all about voting Green, that night settled it for me. It’ll be a cold day in hell before I vote for them ever again.
“I can’t see any direct link between the tragedy in Christchurch, and the police decision to increase patrols, or the nature of patrols, in other geographical locations.”
Neither can I. And I’m pretty sure that’s because there isn’t any. The police are putting extra patrols into high-crime areas.
D’Esterre – As a Green supporter, I’m out, permanently. I see them as racist, and think Ghahraman – one of them did – may have specifically referenced NZ males as being white supremacist. How brave to be staying on here with such a negative belief in Kiwi men. Some men may be pretty damn hopeless, but it would astonish me if they – Maori or Pakeha – were as racist as suggested. Most enjoy good relationships in bi-cultural work places etc and it’s a shame if paid so-called leaders, are shit-stirring like paid agitators.
The point is, I don’t know what the Greens and Harawira hope to achieve by demonising a specific section of the community based on colour.
This is what Harawira is complaining about being done to Maori, and setting sections of the community against each other, is irresponsible behaviour from any politician; it is more shocking than they may realise, for the Green Party to clobber Pakeha per se, then appear blithely comfortable with it. Stuff them.
Swarbrick’s ageism is the ignorance and negation of history, typical of sheltered-life smarties who don’t know how the world works, and who have never really lived in it. It is tiresome, but hopefully it is not likely to set people against each other.
The police decision to have armed patrols in specific areas, as noted, is based on problems with crime not colour. It also puts the cops at greater risk, with crims knowing that they’re armed, thinking that they have less to lose by just shooting them.
Harawira’s and the Greens’ hostility to white people is not based on Pakeha being criminal, it is based on colour, and that is racism. They need to grow up.
Sadly, grievances from times long passed also contribute to innocent Pakeha
being irrationally hated by, I think, quite a small number of Maori extremists.
Dumb governance has contributed a lot to current problems with crime. Big concentrated expanses of social housing for low income earners, with all the concomitant problems, was crap policy. Still is.
In ChCh, state housing was largely interspersed throughout the city rather than built en masse. There were two state houses in my street. I was told that was deliberate policy, but as they were words from politicians, it may also be all lies.
Govt policy engineered to keep people poor is another factor contributing to crime and unrest, and again, blaming all Pakeha for the ineptitude and greed of idiots with power is a cop-out which achieves nothing positive at all.
Applewood: “…think Ghahraman – one of them did – may have specifically referenced NZ males as being white supremacist. How brave to be staying on here with such a negative belief in Kiwi men.”
Ghahraman did herself no favours over this particular episode. My impression is that she took advantage of a tragedy to let rip at whites: all her pent-up rancour and resentment, over slights – real or imagined – from white people; men in particular.
In my view, it says everything we need to know about her character, and her singular lack of fitness for the job of being an MP in a representative democracy.
I have said previously that she gives every indication of having – as the saying goes – come to believe her own publicity. It happens to most pollies eventually, though, it’s to be hoped, not in their first term. But that seems to be the case with her. She’s arrogant, bigoted and intolerant: just the characteristics she condemns in us (largely) inoffensive pakeha.
“Some men may be pretty damn hopeless, but it would astonish me if they – Maori or Pakeha – were as racist as suggested.”
I completely agree. You’re no doubt aware that I don’t subscribe to the modern view that individuals can be racist; they can be – and often are – bigoted and xenophobic, but that isn’t the same thing. Racism as I understand it is in the purview of governments; only they can influence the structure of society, such that particular groups are privileged or discriminated against. On that definition, the Maori seats are racist; nothing else about our legal system is, though.
With regard to men, many in this country are feeling pretty put-upon, what with the claimed ubiquity of white supremacy, the metoo movement, and being made to feel like criminals just because they may own guns. So: I lean in favour of a bit of slack-cutting.
“….shit-stirring like paid agitators.”
Heh! Yup, that’s an apt description of that coterie of Green MPs.
“The point is, I don’t know what the Greens and Harawira hope to achieve by demonising a specific section of the community based on colour.”
I’d guess that they do this because they believe that pakeha have done it to them, so they think that this is the time for a bit of quid pro quo. It feels safe to do it, because the msm, being now infested with the woke left, are supine in the face of it and either agree, or don’t dare to challenge what the likes of Harawira and the Greens say, no matter how egregiously inaccurate it is. A good example would be the crap that’s been spouted about Captain Cook’s visits here; atrocities, the death ship, my foot! But do the luvvies in the msm bother to fact-check and challenge them? They do not.
“…it is more shocking than they may realise, for the Green Party to clobber Pakeha per se, then appear blithely comfortable with it.”
Indeed. I’m astonished, both that they’d do it and that they appear to see nothing wrong with it. I’m also astonished that they haven’t apparently been called out for it by their party hierarchy; what’s with that? Are senior party figures scared of them? Or are they all afflicted with some version of the Stockholm Syndrome: they’ve been so propagandised by the likes of Ghahraman and the Maori activists, that they truly believe all that crap, and that they must self-flagellate because they’re white?
“Swarbrick’s ageism is the ignorance and negation of history….”
Swarbrick is as dumb as a bag of hammers. She’s a walking illustration of why young people need to be out getting life experience, not in parliament annoying the shit out of the rest of us.
“Harawira’s and the Greens’ hostility to white people is not based on Pakeha being criminal, it is based on colour, and that is racism.”
It seems to me that hostility to pakeha is the only response they can come up with, to the fact that it’s Maori who disproportionately commit crime and take up the resources of OT. It’s an indisputable fact, backed up by statistics, and no amount of screaming about pakeha racism will make any difference to that. It isn’t pakeha racism which drives crime and child welfare issues in that part of society.
“Govt policy engineered to keep people poor is another factor contributing to crime….”
That’s right. Poverty brought about by neoliberalism has had a disproportionate effect on Maori society, because many Maori at that time were working class, and those were the jobs that were disproportionately lost. Then there is the effect of drugs; firstly cannabis, the use of which has become normalised in Maori society since the late 70s – early 80s, and then the scourge of P.
These things are not the fault of us pakeha. It’s futile to blame us.
D’Esterre – My shock was at Green women hijacking the Muslim vigil for their own purposes. Their pathetic #MeTooing suggests that they lack any sense of proportion about what actually happened at the ChCh Mosques, and the totally horrendous experience of the Muslim community – strangers in a strange land.
The focus should have been NZ Muslims. Period. But being politicians they just couldn’t help themselves, and they had to make it about them too. It was not just bad manners, and insensitive, or inappropriate, but it suggests that they inhabit a different reality from mainstream NZ, and as such they are not competent to represent us.
They stuffed up majorly in failing to anticipate how NZ’ers were likely to respond to Metiria Turei’s benefit revelations, and they’re still doing it. Any claim to any sort of moral superiority as earth loving environmentalists is not enough when they were elected to represent all people, not just their paranoid prejudiced selves.
If Simon Bridges or Paula Bennett stood up and publicly spouted anti-white garbage they would show themselves unfit to be political leaders. Ditto the Greens.
I doubt they have a party hierarchy – I used to get invites to functions – mainly down at the Southern Cross pub I think, and am glad I never went as I am not in Swarbrick’s demographic, and every time I see Maramar, I think of how wounded she was about being called a cunt, when that ain’t nothing compared to so many people’s everyday, and every-years’ lives.
D’Esterre – I know someone who read the shooter’s manifesto; I’ll check it out, but it was definitely anti-Muslim, and he had links with off-shore anti-Muslim groups, travelled in Eastern Europe, donated to another anti-Muslim person.
I’m dismayed at some Kiwi anti-Muslim utterings, but again they are supremely ignorant of so much about Islam – it is still the best religion of the book in caring for widows, children and the needy – hugely varied and complex.
Snow White: “….it was definitely anti-Muslim…..”
As I thought. So, whether or not he was a white supremacist, his prime motivation was his animus towards Islam.
Therefore, Harawira is barking up the wrong tree. Well: fancy that….
Hone is 100% correct that after the christchurch white subpremacist terror attack ,,,, the law & order grandstanding has been directed at predominantly Maori gangs.,,,
The police shoot citizens more regularly than Maori gangs
The Christchurch white subpremacist was against the mixing of races or culture ,,,, Pushing the ‘ white genocide / Great replacement conspiracy myth ,,,,.so definitely a racist ,,, although he’d deny it ,,,, claiming some modern worldview such as ” I don’t subscribe to the modern view that individuals can be racist;”
Just like his fellow ‘Great replacement” white supremacist / defender ,,, Anti Islam is part of their racism. https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Lauren-Southern-Makeup-Routine.png
Nicky Hager has pointed out racist propaganda and fear mongering used by the National party in their iwi / kiwi election lying ….
Hyping fears and exaggerating the threat from ‘others’ is still used by the Nats ,,,,
horrible people misleading and manipulating the ignorant.
‘If they can make you believe absurdity’s , they can make you commit atrocities .’
The inscriptions also cited several centuries-old victories by Europeans over Islamic forces, as well as the United Nations’ compact on migration, a common target for criticism by white supremacists
https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/brentontarrant3-e1552660176875.png?w=857
Racists tend to portray fighters of racism, or those who seek to redress the ongoing damage from past racism ,,, as being the REAL racists ,,,, Nelson Mandella thanked people like Hone ,,,, The Nats hate him.
Here s Hone commenting on our racist police , which of course has an effect on crime stats for Maori 10 mins 30 secss https://youtu.be/bj2Oan7YW4Y
According to D Esster, and the National party, and other NZ racists,,,,,,,,, the High crime rate and every other negative statistic for Maori,,,, is because Maori are just more criminal,,, they are naturally more bad at being parents,,,, they have a bad primitive culture, etc etc ,,,,. This is exactly what all the racists In Austrailia, in the usa. and those in Canada also say about their colonized indigenous people ,,, ‘Its not our fault for their position at the bottom in our civilized western society’ ,,, It’s the hopeless bloody abo’s fault an Aussie will tell you,,,,,fair dinkum.
The NZ, Aussie, USA and Canada formula against native cultures and people goes like this ,,,
1. Dispossession of their land and resources ,,,
2. Denigrate and attempt to crush their ‘inferior’ culture ,,,
3. Throw lots of cheap piss at the resulting fractured and damaged society ,,,,
4 Ignore downplay or deny steps 1.2 & 3.Blame the victims for their failings,,,,, ,, Say the statistics prove it.
Individual Racism,
Racial prejudice entails the feeling of dislike, contempt, hatred or superiority over another race.Its When one discriminates against another based on race. Example:Landlords or employers discriminating in selecting tenants or hiring employees.
Or someone like Judith Collins undermining Alcohol reform ,,,, Knowing it would result in more victims of alcohol abuse ,,, and increased downstream crimes , suicide and poverty ,,,,
Judith Collins like D Esstre prefers to blame the victims for being ‘more criminal’ / bad parents etc etc,,, Judith and the Nats chose Dirty Politics over meaningful or real Alcohol reform ,,, which directly impacts in keeping violent crime ” stubbornly high” ,,,
The following Quotes and information are from the sabotaged ‘Alcohol, Injuries and Violence- Policy Briefing Paper – Feedback Draft November, 2012’
“Children, young people, Māori, Pacific Peoples and those living in more deprived neighbourhoods are among those that experience a disproportionate burden of harm from alcohol”
” The burden falls inequitably on those living in low socioeconomic areas,and Māori and Pacific people.}”
“Harmful drinking patterns are particularly prevalent among men, young adults, Māori, Pacific people and those living in highly deprived communities. Alcohol related harms are also contributing to increasing health inequalities”
“Each year thousands of New Zealanders are also harmed by other people’s drinking and many more are intimidated or made to feel unsafe in their environment. In their submission to the Law Commission,the District Court judges observed that intoxication was commonly a feature in cases coming before the Family Violence Courts. They have cited a recent survey of cases in the North Shore Family Violence List which revealed approximately 90 per cent of cases over a nine-month period involved alcohol.”
“An association between high numbers of alcohol outlets, particularly in deprived communities, and
increased rates of IPV has been demonstrated ,,, ” Intimate partner violence (IPV) -”
When it comes to IWI / or Alcohol industry profits,,,, the Nacts back the money ,,,
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D Esster : “As I thought. So, whether or not he was a white supremacist, his prime motivation was his animus towards Islam.
Therefore, Harawira is barking up the wrong tree. Well: fancy that….”
Well D Esster is running cover..minimizing and is flat out WRONG regarding the racist motivation ,,for the christchurch white subpremacist,,, Given her postings history on ‘race’ ,,, what a non surprise,,, How could D Esster miss the clue in his choice of title ,,,, ” the Great Replacement”
Anyway here are some quotes ,,,From the highly racist Christchurch shooters own racist manifesto …
“The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their ownrace. These I hate”
“Was the attack “racist” in origin?
Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. There was a racial component to the attack.”
“Was the attack anti-immigration in origin?
Yes, beyond all doubt, anti-immigration, anti-ethnic replacement and anti-cultural replacement …. In my mind a rainbow is only beautiful to due its variety of colours, mix the colours together and you destroy them all and they are gone forever and the end result is far from anything beautiful”
So the Christchurch killer was a white subpremacist ,,, and an admitted ‘modern fascist’.
Finally ,,,,,His attitude to Antifa , the anti fascists ,,,, is the same but a touch more extreme, than D Trumps ,, or D esster s
Quoting the modern day white racist fascist Christchurch terrorist.
“To Antifa/
I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding.Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don’t want you by my side or I don’t want share power.I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot.
SEE YOU ON THE STREETS YOU ANTI-WHITE SCUM”
From what I can see ,,,, D Estte has more in common with the christchurch shooters beliefs ,,,, than she does with Hone.
Whites don’t commit 99% of mass killings in the USA. They commit about 65% of mass shootings and comprise about 72% of the population.
Blacks commit about 19% of mass shootings and comprise about 12% of the population. Blacks also accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/oct/06/newsweek/are-white-males-responsible-more-mass-shootings-an/
dirty, filthy, racist, apologist is all that can be said about this sorry attempt
Tiger Mountain: “dirty, filthy, racist, apologist is all that can be said about this sorry attempt”
I assume that this is a response to Orangemanbad’s comment. Were you planning to proffer a countervailing argument, or just confine yourself to invective?
I wonder if you read the links; perhaps that’s why you’ve reacted this way. However, the stats are telling, aren’t they!
The racists playbook ,,,
1. Dispossession of their land and resources ,,,
2. Denigrate and attempt to crush their ‘inferior’ culture ,,,
3. Throw lots of cheap piss at the resulting fractured and damaged society ,,,,
4. Have a systemically racist police force overseen by racist politicians like John Banks, Judith Collins etc
5. Ignore downplay or deny steps 1,2,3 & 4.Blame the victims for their failings,,,,, ,, Say the statistics prove it.
Have voted for you in the past but definitely don’t agree with you on this. The Chch thing was a religion thing not a race thing and the police reaction was neither race or religion. The current police armed squads initiative (which I very much disagree with) is not a race issue either. The purpose is simply to maintain law and order. I voted for you in the past because I wanted a strident uncompromising voice in Parliament to represent the disadvantaged and those who felt they no longer belonged in society. That is not a race issue either.
Tiger Mountain: “…..you have demonstrated no arguments, not one….”
Neither have you in your response to Castro here. All you’ve done is to shout invective. Not helpful in the circumstances.
to see people arguing whether this is racist or religious, black, brown or white hate issues have been blinded, brainwashed and lead by the nose.
this is a divide the people and let them fight amongst theirselves so they can be controlled
this practice has been repeated through out our history
and yet we have not learnt a thing
please expand your thinking outside the round box we live in.
what if this was planned (chch)
by evil forces that has the power to
activate these tragedies, to inflict maximum damage, to influence politicians to usher in new laws without any roadblock and to keep squeezing more out until we the people realise hold on this dont seem right and start asking question
but that might be too hard for any normal joe blogg to comprehend so lets stick to blame games because it way easier to do. dont think or get to smart. keep your eyes shut
nothing to see here it only
a conspiracy
or is it?
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