The National Party are currently flying a kite to see if the public would accept National MP Alfred Ngaro as leader of a conservative Christian party which could help National at the next election. The theory is that such a conservative Christian party could bring in 3 or 4 percent of the party vote. This on its own would not be enough to bring in any MPs but if National were to give Ngaro a free run in Botany, just as National gives David Seymour a free ride in Epsom, Ngaro could bring in 4 or 5 MPs to support a National government.
So what does Alfred Ngaro bring to politics?
Firstly Ngaro is a particularly nasty political operator. I saw him at a public meeting blame the Glen Innes community for the many social problems which have bedevilled all New Zealand’s low-income communities and use that to justify National social cleansing the area for the rich.
Later he told me “state housing creates dependency” as his sound bite to justify driving low-income families from their state homes.
There must be another side to Ngaro but I’ve never seen a hint of it elsewhere.
Secondly Ngaro is a Christian Zionist who, like Israel Folau, believes the Old Testament is the literal word of God and a factual account of the history of the Jewish people as opposed to an “origin myth” which most human tribes from the beginning of time have developed to give their people a sense of pride, self-belief and unity in the face of adversity.
Recent archaeological research closes the lid on Christian Zionism’s views. Back in 1999 Zeev Hertzog, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv university, and later Director of its Institute of Archaeology from 2005 to 2010 wrote:
“This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai. Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people – and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story – now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people’s emergence are radically different from what that story tells.”
All this will be water off a duck’s back to Ngaro who, aside from being the National MP who has asked the most questions of the new government (14,000 which included 1000 in a single day) as a way to obstruct and frustrate the coalition, has spent his time on the back bench trying to establish a parliamentary Friends of Israel group.
The photo shows him in 2018 with the Israeli ambassador Dr Itzhak Gerberg and Deputy Chief of Mission Kasa Bainesay-Harbor and several other National MPs – Tim McIndoe, Todd Muller, Nuk Koraka, Jian Yang and Paul Goldsmith.
Whatever Ngaro may offer the country as a conservative Christian leader it won’t be compassion, tolerance, justice or truth. Instead it will be a conservative straitjacket of bigotry, arrogance and injustice.
I wonder if they will call for the beheading of all who disagree?
You are too kind to Ngaro, John. His pro-Zionist activities run counter to the philosophy of many Jewish people, and his support for Israel’s murderous bullying, bad.
If he believes that the OT is the literal word of God and a factual history of the Jews, then I suggest that he is also mad.
Such a pro-active Zionist in the NZ Parliament will win us no friends among a lot of decent Muslims and Christians and others, and compromises New Zealand and New Zealanders.
I didn’t know that this pathetic Cook Islander electrician supported driving low-income families from State Houses – it’s destructive toadying to his Nat mates, at the expensive of the poor, and the complete antitheses of what the Christianity- which he professes to support- is all about. His rejection of the message of the NT makes him a heretic too.
How come the Nats attracts all the nutters now ?
Your view of Alfred Ngaro is very different to most people’s experience of him. He is generally seen as a decent and compassionate person. Nowhere near the category of “particularly nasty political operator”, and I have seen a few.
Yes, there is the tinge of the Old Testament about him. But he is the sort of guy who goes out of his way to provide a lifting hand.
Your view of Alfred Ngaro is very different to most people’s experience of him. He is generally seen as a decent and compassionate person. Nowhere near the category of “particularly nasty political operator”, and I have seen a few.
Yes, there is the tinge of the Old Testament about him. But he is the sort of guy who goes out of his way to provide a lifting hand.
I just want to know less about the political speak and more about how interested the fringies are in a new new conservatives like Breitbart. Get any gossip on that or nah?
He was accused of punching an atheist teacher who did not pray in an open setting.
He openly said that if groups disagreed with his govt their funding will be cut.
He calls abortion similar to the Holocaust.
He provided a cooperate friendly marijuana bill to parliament that was a cookie cutter document sourced from the American right wing think tank. He’s a sock puppet using religion to be rich.
We need less of this type of MP.
Been reading, a ‘National Geographic’ (which I have to return to the fish and chip shop) about the Christian exodus from the Holy Land, and if I were a man and if he were a man, I’d have a face-to-face with Alfie about it.
But I am a woman and Ngaro simply defies description.
I’m of the firm view that politics and religion should never mix.
Yet they quite obviously do mix. The government guarantees freedoms of religion through the social contract and the Hunan rights act. If it wasn’t then many lives would have been lost in vain through the very real bills all wars alone.
Ps I meant to say biblical wars.
I disagree the Salvation army pick up people from the gutter and do the job that the bloody government should be doing. We should not need all the charitable organisations we have in this country. If the tax take was better – and it could be don’t get me started – then some of the organisations would not be needed.
Look at the money they use chasing benefit fraud which is $30m a year, the same amount of money is also used for chasing IRD fraud which is billions of dollars, but let’s do over the poorest…..
Not quite on topic but we have 40 charitable organisations dedicated to raising money for different types of cancer alone.
This is a classic ploy by National “divide and rule strategy”
You’re on the same page as Jesus, there, Z. He said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are Gods.”
Sallies give away religious books for free, so Ngaro might benefit from reading up on the NT too – at no economic cost to himself.
Where exactly is current conservative Christian vote placed at the moment? I would assume it is already on the right, probably with National. So wouldn’t the growth of Ngaro’s party vote come at the cost of National’s party vote?
Or are they hoping he will appeal to Polynesian voters? Then it would be interesting to see the party list beyond the leader. How many Pacific Islanders would National be comfortable working with?
Or is this another ploy to bring NZ First below the 5% threshold?
As for the Botany electorate, it may be time for Labour and Green voters to strategically vote for Jami-Lee Ross. The lesser of two evils.
You’re joking right? How about the swathes of Pacifica community in South Auckland.
Conservative and christian, and basically taken for granted by Labour all the time (I could add Maori to that list). When Clarke got ousted by Key it was the Pacifica no show at the polls that lead to their downfall (anti-smacking and prostitution reform don’t go down well in the churches in Manurewa)
Let’s look at the current govt, child poverty – worse off. Kiwibuild – Fail. People wanting housing – larger numbers. Yet what is the govt all about? Cannabis reform, gun laws and hitting free speech.
John Key supported the anti-smacking legislation and did nothing to overturn the Prostitution Reform which occured ebfore the re-election of Labour in 2005.
The South Auckland voters should know that under Labour there will be more state houses, a higher standard of rental property, a power supplement, a higher MW and more WFF tax credits.
BG, one can only imagine then what it would look like now if the do nothing at all National party were still in power. Higher suicide rates, uncontrolled immigration, ballooning National debt, etc etc etc. Then and only then would Hosking be happy.
Thanks for tbe heads up on this John. With that belief system and the lack of compassion that always accompanies Christian Zionism we could expect that this vehicle of a conservative Christian political party will attract a lot of funding. Christian Zionism is just the other side of the same coin that is neo liberal ideology. This is demonstrated perfectly in the USA where Trump and Bolton co-habitate with ease with the likes of Pompeo who believes that Trump was brought to power to do gods work in bringing on the rapture and Pence who also puts Israels divine path ahead of Americans. For Trump all this is part of the bargain with Sheldon Adelson who is a huge donor of both Trump and Netanyahu.
It would be nice to think that nzers could see through this kind of bollocks but I’m not so sure. There are signs that Europe and especially Merkel may be beginning to see that the only thing that matters to these people are wars and more wars because you know, you got to feed the impossible fantasy of infinite growth on the one hand and the rapture fantasy which entails the small matter of an armageddon on the other hand. People just seem to find it hard to see that allowing the one hand just encourages the other. Both are blind to reason and lack any compassion as you have so rightly pointed out.
National will give Ngaro a hand up in the Botany electorate
Two bullies against each other
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9139312/Punched-for-not-praying
Sheesh, what a mob
I can confirm with you John, he is a doofus! I’ve met him a few times to talk about iwi stuff. I would of got better advice, by speaking to a “stone wall!”
“Whatever Ngaro may offer the country as a conservative Christian leader it “won’t be compassion, tolerance, justice or truth. Instead it will be a conservative straitjacket of bigotry, arrogance and injustice.”
And the saddest thing of all is that this fella equipped with all his so-called Christian values can’t even see it. I doubt he ever will until he meets His maker (if you do believe in all that kaka)
There might very well be a higher power, but sure as shit it isn’t the one he’s taken out a subscription to
Ngaro = divide and rule.
Let’s volunteer him for a blast into space as our NZ actornaut with NASA… acronym for Not A Space Agency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-kEVrr83aY&feature=em-uploademail
It seems that some people embrace a religion to cover for their natural instinctive bigotry.
I wonder if the hats are actually figuring out how to get rid of him. This will probably have that effect.
D J S
The excuse for a man is plainly ignorant and incapable of cohesive thought.
A sick puppy with the rabies of the “chosen” ones.
He will have similar followers.
Much of the “old testament” is a selection of earlier pagan beliefs without substance.
Christian Zionism is NOT biblical. Most of those who hold this view are known as dispensationalists. Dispensationalism is a branch of evangelical Protestantism formulated in the nineteenth century by an Irish cleric, J. N. Darby (1800-1882), who became the leader of the Plymouth Brethren. Darby made numerous overseas lecture tours during which he succeeded in convincing leading and influential adherents of other denominations that his biblical interpretations were correct
Christian Zionist is an oxymoron. “Christian” movement started by Saul/Paul acknowledges Yahushua ben David=Jesus Christ as Saviour and Messiah. Zionism follows the Talmud which, to a Christian, blasphemes the name of Jesus Christ. So which is Ngaro…is he a Christian in which case the Zionists will say off with his head…or….is he a Zionist in which case he will be beheading Christians? He can’t have it both ways.
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BTW? How much do we pay these fuckers?
Geez, as an ex-Catholic you know how to say it true, given your family’s most Christian behaviour. Between yours and the Protestants, so much good. In between the bad.
Love National’s selection of minorities. When you don’t have ideals … or is divide and rule an ideal?
Oh, heresy, oh, heresy, how do you dare question Jehovah and his chosen people, how do you dare destroying faith in their biblical heritage?
Alfred the Saint Ngaro will come and put you into penance, into purgatory for this.
another wayne kerr we don’t need in politics for someone who was pasta he is particularly nasty we all know about his bullying episode when it came to government contracts. I don’t think his christian party will make it sounds like more desperation
he wont make it he is an idiot
Well Michelle, if this lad doesn’t know that the poor people he wants turfed out of social housing can’t all afford to buy cars to live in, then he sure is an idiot.
But wait. Nat-owned finance companies can lend them the money to buy cars to live in. About half these cars get repossessed and then sold again, and money makes the world go around, so someone will be benefiting from this idiocy after all. Just not the poor and needy. But then Alfie doesn’t want them to develop dependent mentalities because, it’s bad for them. Doesn’t that just tug at your heart strings ?
There’s more. Since when has being an idiot stopped anyone becoming a political leader ?
your so right Snow White
well national have called the left loppy and the greens nutters what should we call them the desperatoes or the losers when they see no one wants them and they are rejected some one must be putting up the bucks
Oh what a fustercluck could happen.
The natz giving a free run to ngaro and jl ross is too delicious to contemplate. The resulting mayhem should be fun I am stocking up on popcorn.
I have to admit I don’t care one bit. I.e. it doesne matter.
Do Christian know that Israeli Zionist Jews hate them?
Did they know that during the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Muslim Palestinians,christian Palestinians were also being expelled from their homes and lively-hoods?
This is an extremely dangerous development with the international Zionist movement setting up a bridge head in Aotearoa NZ.
Ngaro will be well funded by the banksters inherent in Zionism.
Remain vigilant people, this is effectiveely a coup in the making.
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