Green Party co-leader James Shaw says new climate change rulebook is a ‘breakthrough’
Delegates from almost 200 countries have agreed to a global climate change rulebook which would put the landmark Paris Climate treaty into action.The decision comes after days of tense negotiations in Poland’s COP24 conference.
Climate Change Minister James Shaw, who was co-facilitating some of the talks, told reporters this morning that the newly agreed rulebook was “a breakthrough.”
The so called ‘breakthrough’ that James Shaw is desperately trying to claim from the failed climate talks does fuck all nothing in reality – if this is a breakthrough, Trump’s Presidency is a giant step towards ending the heteronormative patriarchy.
This is the same meaningless dribble we got from the meaningless Paris Agreement, this barely agrees on the agreement to do an agreement and how to agree on it. Shaw has to make this insignificant lip service look like some sort of ‘breakthrough’ because he needs to stop looking politically irrelevant.
Antarctica is melting, run away climate change is a decade away and we have a political environmental leader championing a meaningless side shuffle as some type of victory.
It’s bullshit. If this is a breakthrough we are doomed.
Probably the best possible result in the current climate unfortunately. Fuck the baby boomers to hell, they’re the ones denying climate change and also not entirely coincidentally the ones with the least to lose if they happen to be wrong. I’m starting to think people over 60 shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Idk, every one over 60 that I know do a lot of climate hardening anyway. I’d say that Marama and Shaw and the greens in general are actually too nice. They need some people that can brake balls.
I’m over 60 and you can get fucked.
There was and will never be any possible way (outside of war) that “The West” will ever convince the multitude of developing nations that they can’t “catch up” using fossil fuels. Surely, surely, surely, no-one here is so naive that you seriously think China (pop. 1.4 billion), India (pop. 1.3 billion), Indonesia (pop. 260 million), Brazil (pop. 210 million) – just to name four (and at least 800 million more in Africa) – are going to give up all that cheap energy (i.e. coal and oil), thereby forgoing all the wealth and standard of living benefits that “the West” achieved using it, just to appease us and be “good global citizens”? Now couple that with “the West”, under democracy, sacrificing what they currently have and going backwards (i.e. significantly more expensive energy sources). There are pipe-dreams with tiny chances of happening, and then there is global green policy with a literal zero chance of happening.
Now couple that with “the West”, under democracy, sacrificing what they currently have and going backwards
Well democracy can be the problem. A scientifically informed, relatively enlightened authoritarian state can do a lot more than one ruled by the mob.
If you have a populace like that of Sweden or Norway (original inhabitants), then democracy is going to work more or less OK. But most Asians and Africans are not at that level yet, and so you need strong sensible rule.
China is actually taking an informed and responsible attitude towards climate change. If it was left up to the average Chinese, probably nothing would be done.
The Chinese make a fair point here: China demands developed countries ‘pay their debts’ on climate change:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/dec/13/china-demands-developed-countries-pay-their-debts-on-climate-change
INDEED, and most people do nothing anyway, some celebrate the supposed abolition of ‘one way plastic bags’, while supermarkets have smartly replaced them with re-usable ones, which will result in the same amount of plastic rubbish in the end.
Roll on climate disaster, I will have NO pity for the many who never listened, never took action and then will suffer.
Details are about all that people discuss and of course the economy which is coupled with the dire scenario we face.
They will come back and continue to talk up “Growth”.
Climate is but one of the many devastating consequences caused by human civilisation.
Still no talk of reducing our numbers urgently, living more simply and stopping travel as well as the harvesting of energy.
I note they all flew to the talkfest.
Marc most of them will blithely justify their selfish ignorant mindsets but it will be the younger generations ahead who pay the price dearly along with the majority of other species.
The science has been clear for over 50 years, warning given but nothing has changed in the path being taken.
Psychopaths run the show.
Simon bridges said this morning on Morning Report, that he will repeal the ban on fossil fuel exploration. A fucking dangerous idiot like john key, in service of transnational corporations not public good.
run away climate change is a decade away …. historically earth has been in ‘run away’ climate change for about 200 years.
You know … “climate is changing 10,000 times faster than ever B4”
It is all window dressing…there is no intent by those that pull the strings to attempt to reduce emissions…last man standing is the order of the day.
C.o.P.24 was not a break through. A break through would have been getting some concrete immediately agreeable ideas into place with matching policies and rules to give said ideas effect.
Such as all nations recycling aluminium to reduce the electricity used by smelter pots.
I think shaw is in there, in The Green Party at the deep state behest of the upper echelon Kiwi riche who can’t afford their effortless source if income grifted from the NZ/AO farmer heading over to the Greens. They’ll be living in fear at the real prospect of farmers figuring out that the Labor/Natzo parasites are, in fact, traitors and liars who do indeed grift farmer earned foreign currency into those same Kiwi riche’s bottomless pocketses. shaw’s job is to deflect farmers back into the dead-lands that is Natzo/labor swindlings. That’s his only job. He has zero interest in whether the planet dies of not.
I’ve been reading, and commenting on, Tumeke and now TDB for years and yet not one single TDB’er has figured out what’s really going on. You’re not rocket surgeons are you? You can’t look beyond the bullshit you’re spoon fed by bullshit artists. It’s like you have no common-sense or imagination? It’s quite bizarre.
The easiest money to be made anywhere on earth is the money to be found on product made by farmers. It’s a guaranteed sure fire winner because, in case you hadn’t noticed, humanity still needs to eat. And farmers MUST farm.Once they start up a farm? They must tend it as if it were the living thing that it is or it will wither and die. And what better political party to best represent a sustainable system of agriculture than the Green Party? And yet? Corporate patsy Shaw and the Storm in a Tea Cup dingbat and ‘cunt’ word liberator marama davidson. Oh deary me. Those crafty fools are the kinds of crafty fools more easily tolerated when the belly’s full. But Oh!? Look!? The new iPhone! Ooooo..! Ahhhhhh….!
What do you think @ Chloe Swarbrick?
Greta Thunberg full speech at UN Climate Change COP24 Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkQSGyeCWg
Amy Bee
Amazing. She is the future. What a clear-sighted, fearless girl. Our history books (if we survive to write them) will remember her with pride and our corrupt leaders with shame and disgrace. Power to the People!
Here is the best speech of the conference at Katowice.
“Out of the mouths of babes …”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkQSGyeCWg
Just wondering whether you meant drivel when you wrote dribble, Martyn.
Non-binding ‘rules’ and ungrounded aspirations:just what the system demands and what the politicians will continue to crow about.
Meanwhile in the real world (as we head for 415 ppm atmospheric CO2 in 2019):
‘To appreciate how fast CO2 levels have been accelerating, look at the dotted lines. Each one shows the average rate of increase for a different decade. Instead of reducing our pollution pace since the COPs started in the early 1990s, we’ve increased it more than fifty per cent.’
‘The bold black line shows the CO2 released by fossil fuel burning (plus a relatively small amount from cement production). As you can see, that line is accelerating too. Last year, humanity dumped an all-time record — exceeding 36 billion tonnes of CO2 (GtCO2) for the first time ever. This year we are on track to exceed 37 GtCO2.’
‘As you can see, in the decade of the Rio Summit and the Kyoto Accord, the atmosphere was gaining around 12 GtCO2 per year. The next decade brought us the Copenhagen Accord and an average of 15 GtCO2 per year. And now, in this decade of the Paris Agreement, the atmosphere is gaining nearly 19 GtCO2, on average, each year.’
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/12/12/analysis/co2-vs-cops?fbclid=IwAR0M_fetxmGObvgSXuz7wtzpuy6L0ZteZo7svGjQlqlS_RYQ6aoWnyYh0vM
As soon as we stop sitting around on our arses moaning about how useless our leaders are and take to the streets the sooner we will make this nonsense stop. It’s that simple.
It’s the only thing that has progressed the world in the past and it’s the only thing that will do it now
With so many dependant on the system for wages, there won’t be a critical mass of people wanting to change said system. Political and economic leaders if they want to be a force for change will have to be more extra than that.
The problem is that they said climate catastrophe was a decade away 20 years ago, 15 years ago and 10 years ago.
So wise people are questioning their methods, and the financial incentives of keeping this little drama running.
Who said Andrew?
Certainly not a climate science consensus.
The dangers ahead were pointed out over 50 years ago and ignored largely by business and Govts since.
Simple. Put Petrol up to $10 a litre
Problem solved
If you can’t think of solutions priced at $12.50 per BARREL (fuck a litre) you’re a no chance.
Playing boomers against the yoof of today doesn’t really help.
Many of my boomer peers are self-entitled ‘I used to walk five miles to school everyday, and five miles home and you don’t know how lucky you are’ types, whilst a good many others are the complete opposite.
Likewise, my millenial neighbours professing to be Green (including membership), can’t even get their bloody recycling sorted out – and that’s if they can remember what day collection is. And it all goes out the windown on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays anyway as they preload and smash their bottles on the pavement all the way into town.
If I had my way, I’d put the lot of them in the Army and show them some discipline – James Shaw included
Tim its clear thinking and information that is needed widely not disclipline.
Climate change and adaptation have to be discussed internationally as they relate to processes that cannot be addressed within the borders, institutions, limitations of the single nation state.
Climate change conferences (Conference of Parties, COPs) could be most relevant events, if those actors with political power would demonstrate a political will for resilience measures.
There is a striking discrepancy in high-value ‘side-events’, and bureaucratic gobbledygook and slowness in the so-called ‘negotiations’, purposefully framed and delayed by industrialized and industrializing countries.
Smaller and less powerful countries tend to be overwhelmed by the sheer size of the delegations from larger countries and the conference technologies used by these, giving those clear communication advantages throughout all sessions.
The format of these COPs is rather flexible. If approached strategically, and being well and pro-actively prepared (months in advance), a group of countries, e.g. the Pacific island nations, could initiate or facilitate significant political progress during these COPs.
Many of the smaller countries in South America, Africa, Asia, and the Pacific, especially those with an economic base rooted in family agriculture, livestock, fisheries are looking for active leadership during these conferences, as they try to avoid being too closely aligned to either the US or China, and the EU has lost some of its global attractiveness as a potential powerhouse.
Just attending those conferences without effective contribution and active encouragement of appropriate and rapid responses is by far not sufficient, as things stand at present.
Scientists and even the COP24 negotiators themselves know that the so-called “Paris Rule-book” won’t be enough on its own to stop carbon pollution from reaching critical levels.
The NZ Green Party could probably prove more substance in being seen as a part of an actual solution, and not just following yesteryear’s standard of political marketing.
Further reading:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12/07/siloed-thinking-climate-and-disposable-people-cop-24-and-our-discontent/
Whilst the vast majority of the ‘doomed’ still have no idea, a tiny minority have vowed to raise the stakes.
It will be interesting to see just how far those who know their futures are being ruined by current economic-political arrangements are prepared to go to bring about change.
It will be equally interesting to see just how vicious the establishment is prepared to become in its defence of economic-political arrangements that have no long-term future because of resource depletion and the effects of planetary overheating.
‘Climate change activists vow to step up protests around world
Campaigners say they will force governments to act after lack of progress at UN summit’
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/17/climate-change-activists-vow-step-up-protests-around-world
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