BREAKING: Corrupt Police response to Kim Dotcom has to be read to be believed

1. Yup. I’m going with, they’ve been watching gay porn this whole time.

2. They would have the back ups somewhere ?

   • Exactly!. In those ‘olden days’ there was a place called ‘Archive Security” which must be a complete treasure trove by now.
     The excuse that superceded and redundant technology can no longer be used, just doesn’t wash

     I could even assist if necessary. I’ve got another treasure trove of old gear in the attic that with a little effort, I’m sure we could resurrect that’d suit the need.

     CHRIST! what the hell happened to our Public service?!

   • Maybe, maybe not, this is not only happening at the Police now, we have had similar experiences with MSD, where they claim that reports that were once even boasted with in the media (by the last Nat led government), do now supposedly ‘not exist’!

     Even the Ombudsmen are caught out, as under the OIA you cannot expect records to be made available that the agency holding them say do not exist.

     The Public Records Act may be breached, but their approach to complaints, that is the Chief Archivist’s, that is another joke, deserving a book to be written about some other time.

     • A complaint the Ombudsman (the Ron Paterson) later refused to investigate, claiming the complainant had ‘insufficient interest’ in the information that had been deleted:
       https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-abt-dr-bratt-deleting-emails-refusal-to-investigate-r-paterson-17-08-15.pdf

       So much for our watchdogs (here on another matter):
       https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/the-new-zealand-ombudsman-underfunded-and-compromised-the-auditor-general-sees-no-need-for-action/

       • Sorry, mixed up docs and sources a bit.

         Here is the actual complaint in question, about emails having been deleted by a Senior WINZ Advisor, which the Ombudsman did not want to touch:
         https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/ombudsman-o-a-complaint-msd-about-dr-bratt-deleting-public-records-letter-anon-07-07-2015.pdf

         https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-abt-dr-bratt-deleting-emails-refusal-to-investigate-r-paterson-17-08-15.pdf

         https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/ombudsman-complaint-3xxxxx-msd-o-i-a-fr-16-01-14-bratt-salary-del-emails-anon-ltr-05-04-16.pdf

         Files and records seem to appear quite regularly, in various departments, when some try to get hold of info under the OIA, suddenly it does not exist or cannot be found.

         • Correction:

           “Files and records seem to disappear quite regularly..” I meant.

3. I’m looking forward to this government firing the lot of them.

4. Are the Police expecting us to believe they do not, and did not regularly backup their IT systems?

   If the answer is that they did/do not, then can we expect someone to be held to account for running what must be one of the most shoddy IT systems on the planet.

   If the answer is that they do, I’d like to offer my services, or a a referral to someone who is able to do a restore.
   The standard fee for consultancy will apply, plus GST, plus project management and recruitment fees (going forward)

   • Actually, I can just imagine the Commish setting up a ‘war room’ about now – complete with Oi Tee professionals, Publuk Rillayshun experts and Risk Managers – all in the feint possibility that a Mainstream Johnalist’s intereset could be piqued – the possibility of a real and present danger of that happening?
     Sweet Fuck All (i.e. the 4th Estate’s interest in it all)

   • They should all be down the road if the archives and backup hae disappeared ?

5. They should all be fired in the police service if they allowed all their files from 2013 to be deleted!

   But it’s probably not true and just lies, which is just as bad if some police are acting illegally to violate the NZ courts (maybe to help the US or maybe to save their own arses, who knows!)

   Either way, disgusting from the police.

6. No one here seriously believes them, do they? The “Hillary Clinton Excuse” didn’t fly for her, and it doesn’t fly for them. Back-ups in government IT are mandatory and it is illegal to not do so. This is rank corruption from our law enforcers. and if they won’t adhere to the law, then I would love to hear them explain why the fuck we all should. This is how revolutions start. The Government, if it wants to maintain any legitimacy/respect whatsoever from the people, should fire and prosecute everyone involved in this obvious miscarriage of justice.

7. They should all be down the road if the archives and backup hae disappeared ?

8. They should all be down the road if the archives and backup hae disappeared ?

   • is it just a matter of hunting/hacking in the right places?….Dotcom would have an idea on this

     …as a guess how about hunting from the other end ….NSA and CIA and FBI and Five Eyes?..and jonkeys dept?

     NZ Police should not be allowed to ‘disappear files’ after a crime they have allegedly committed

     ….this is called a ‘cover up’

     • The 5 Eyes will have all the relevant information ?

9. I would also like to add that these “antiquated” servers should be immediately subpoenaed for forensic examination. Even a completely broken hard-drive can have its data recovered by moving the platters over to a working drive (it’s expensive but very much possible). If the platters themselves have been damaged or erased then we can immediately be certain that the police have deliberately tampered with evidence. This is an unbelievably bad look for our law enforcers, and imo only aids Kim in his acquittal.

   • Nailed it.

     This BS excuse from the Police cannot be allowed to stand. Not unless we want to see Police totally evading due process of the law.

10. I’ve got files that go back to the 1990s

    • ha ha…on I wonder what sort of computer?…an Amstrad?

      • It was a Toshiba laptop. Pretty much state of the art at the time. I think I bought it in 1997. Still works except for the screen.

11. “Antiquated systems” may apply to systems pre 2000.
    The notion that their case management system barfed and its data is inaccessible is risible.

    What this communication tells you is that they have something deeply incriminating to hide.

    When the communication strategy is “stonewall plus bullshit” that’s usually a strategy of last resort.

    When the superseding system was implemented, there was probably a risk assessment taken of legacy data. What is the highest risk data that we must retain AND probably what is the highest risk data we’d like to lose. Looks like time for an OIA on the Police IT systems and related data management.

12. It is well known copies were made in the past; the entire police email system being cloned in November 2004 as a result of an investigation which found 20% of computer storage capacity containing pornography.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10121803

13. As the Kim Dotcom case went through the courts, wouldn’t police information related to KDC, be available for him to access through the Justice department?

    So if the police data prior to 2013 has disappeared into dust, is it also likely health, education, immigration, corrections, justice, birth, death, marriages, council information to become nonexistent as well, when updating computers?

    After all the public are expected to keep data available for a period of time should it be required for future reference. Why not the police?

    I don’t believe this BS from the police for a minute. This is highly questionable, if not suspicious. Protecting not only themselves, but also certain high profile identities as well perhaps? However, I would say if police wanted to draw on data before 2013 to serve their requirements it would suddenly become available! The police are either incompetent or lying. I’d go with both points here! This cannot be allowed.

14. Royal commission time.
    It’s going to uncover either gross incompetence, actual corruption or National political interference, it’s all win for Labour.
    Pay for it out of senior police management salaries.

15. Cat ate my homework.

    Sadly this amateur approach is not funny, when a man’s freedom is at stake and our bumbling attempts at a fair trial making us an international laughing stock while setting dangerous precedents for human rights.

16. The police are charged to uphold the law, question is whose law?

17. My dog ate the server. Lol. The schoolboy porky.

18. Surely if the police have lost/ can’t retrieve information relevant to Kim’s defence, relevant to the formation of the charges against him, his case must be thrown out. If they have lost the evidence that demonstrates the lawfulness of the actions set in place to bring a case against him It must be assumed that their actions were possibly unlawful. Perhaps not so clearly as to convict the police of breaking the law, but sufficiently doubtful to make any charge against Kim that relied on evidence questionably obtained unusable against Kim.
    D J S

19. The cops beat up one of my friends in the cells years ago, then a complaint was made to the IPCA, but that was only possible after a court matter had to be resolved, as he was charged.

    By the time the IPCA looked at it ‘independently’ the police were asked to investigate themselves, and they declared in the end, all camera footage of what happened in the cell and Watchtower block had been deleted, as they do after three months.

    So that was it, no evidence, one persons’ words against two cops and the cops got off.

    So rest your case, the police are as criminal as the ones they lock up in some cases, the gang in blue, they call them, so true, and they are loyal to the blue Nats also, these same bastards.

    • A friend of mine’s father was was a long time lawyer and local coroner.
      He used to refer to the police as the best funded and organised gang in the country.
      D J S

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