Lisa Owen is awful as a host isn’t she? She’s got that ‘Toby Manhire smugness’ about her, as in, her sense of importance is as utterly misplaced as it is with Toby Manhire.
The minor leaders debate is on, Lisa is talking over all of them, lots of wasted stupid questions but the Party Leaders managed to lift the show above the mediocrity of the show.
Gareth Morgan beat the shit out of David Seymour every chance he could. If Gareth keeps putting on performances like this and keeps goading Lizzie Marvelly into twitter backlashes TOP will get 5%.
Lisa spoke over Marama Fox every time Marama tried to speak but her time in Parliament might be over if Tamati Coffey beats Tu Ururoa Flavell with the Jacinda effect.
Based on this performance, Hone Harawira made strong inroads into returning to Parliament.
James Shaw sounded sensible and strong, but in a debate where everyone was trying to throw punches he was playing rock, scissors, paper in a Mixed Martial Arts cage fight.
Everyone agreed how much they all hated David Seymour.
The biggest loser was Winston who refused to turn up.
The Panel is on, Tracy Watkin, Jon Johansson and someone I’ve never heard of.
Wasted opportunity on the panel, terrible sound quality.
They pick Marama Fox as the winner but also note Gareth and Hone had a strong showing. All agree Winston was the loser for not turning up.
They gave James Shaw some love because you know, Patrick Gower lynched Metiria and it would be churlish for him to not flash his shit eating grin at the camera for some sort of kind comment about the Greens on his part.
.and someone I’ve never heard of
That’s got to be an improvement on the usual routine.
Tracy Watkin, Jon Johansson, both unanimous that Seymour is a waste of space, a wasted vote now that National will need more than Act and the Maori party, now that Dunne’s done. Tracy Watkin, Jon Johansson both stated National needs N.Z First, so Seymour will be irrelevant and National no longer needs to do a dirty deal in Epsom.
However the “someone I’ve never heard of” immediately jumped to Seymour’s defense, rather aggressively I might add, indicating which political side of the fence she sits, so will hardly be impartial. This gives evidence to why she always bag the left parties when she is used to comment.
The “someone I’ve never heard of” is Jenna Raeburn – ex staffer for Gerry Brownlee, partner of National MP Chris Bishop & currently a political lobbyist for Barton Deakin.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/78650109/arrival-of-australian-political-lobbying-firm-in-nz-raises-questions-about-oversight
Jesus H Christ Banjo. How on earth can someone like Raeburn possibly sit on this panel and pretend to be impartial. After reading her background no wonder she rifled out her support for Act and Seymour. I didn’t believe the so called corruption got any deeper but seriously folks, this has to be the worst conflict of interest outside of Key( shares in the Bank of America of which he borrowed from on behalf of N.Z.) and Collins( Orivida) I’ve ever seen.
Thank’s for the heads up Banjo.
“Someone you never heard of” is an active National Party member, former staffer of Gerry Brownlee, and current partner of a sitting NP MP (of who I had never heard) – from cursory Google search.
That’s got to be an improvement on the usual routine.
or not!
christ, after reading who it was, definitely not.
The usual pack of right wing ogres might have been better.
Shaw may not have scored with the panel, no surprises there, but I thought Shaw got a good reception from the audience
Hmmm thanks for the heads up Martyn.
I am always on the T.D.B before i look at anything that corporate media is vomiting out.
I detest Lisa Owen and it just seems pointless to ask a question when you are not interested in hearing the answer so you just go on talking.
They bully and intimidate and pat themselves on the back when they have trapped someone into a negative admission for the headlines.
I will watch it and then feel dirty afterwards but i genuinely want to hear ( if we get a chance ) what these people except Seymour have got to say.
Shame Winnie never showed….he is always good entertainment.
Seymour is only in Govt as a bottom feeder, the debate confirmed it. Despite what you may think of Winston he has at least been in parliament off his own back even if he did start off with National. Seymour’s complete lack of decorum whilst attacking Winston shows the boy to be very very immature. But then he was responsible for attacking Meteria.
And as we all know when you attack someone personally, you’ve lost the argument.
Politicians aren’t required to have brains just votes. A very sobering debate to watch.
Can anyone elucidate on why Shaw’s preferential bedfellow was Marama and the MP?
They share the same policy on Poverty.
“Lisa Owen is awful as a host isn’t she? ”
ABSO GOD DAMN LUTELY!
This debate won’t be uploaded until Sunday night – very targeted to the baby boomers so unfortunately I’ll be waiting a while to view. I called up ‘threenow’ and was told “this program, like the news is designed to be watched live on TV” and that ‘you wouldn’t buy yesterday’s newspaper’.
I mean, why would I even buy a newspaper? I don’t even own a TV aerial – I read and stream my news. It’s 2017 and The Nation is a publicly funded show, shouldn’t I have the right to watch a leaders debate online in a timely fashion?
I take some of it back … I managed to find the debate at: http://www.newshub.co.nz/…/08/minor-parties-debate.html
The way they handled your inquiry speaks volumes of the attitute at that place.
Seymour will get in because the good folk of Epsom have been told to put him in.
At the moment though the funniest thing about the campaign is working out what ‘outrageous’ thing he is going to do or say to get relevance and seeing him desperately cling onto Winston Peters for attention. He thinks Peters is irrelevant but if Peters weren’t around he’d have to find something else to hang his “look at me I’m relevant” hat on.
My message to David is, don’t waste time going to meetings, knocking on doors or extending yourself coming up with cunning stunts to get attention.
Go home, sit down with a nice cup of tea and all the replays of Coronation Street. You are safe, they have been told to vote for you so you are a shoe-in.
I think Seymour is finished. I don’t understand why Marvelly carries on with that rubbish (is she a bit thick)?. It was obvious what he meant.
Epsom was close in 2014. Seymour (Act) 43% of vote; Goldsmith (Nat) 31.6%; Wood (Lab) 9.3%; Genter (Grn) 8.1%; Rankin (Con) 4.6%; others 3.4%.
If Lab and Green (candidate) voters had held their noses and swung in behind Goldsmith, Seymour was defeated.
Has Bill English had a cup of tea in Epsom yet?
I am not sure whether I would be glad if Seymour got in (and was banished to back benches, taking a Nat seat with him, as he is not part of a team “Nat and NZ1st”, should that come to pass) or whether he gets put to bed, once and for all.
It is easy to understand why Winston didn’t attend.
He believes NZ First is a major party so why would he attend a minor party leaders’ debate?
Why attend anything run by TV3?
I haven got a TV,….
Awwww….
Oh well.
David Seymour demonstrated to everyone watching that he is truly the face of dirty politics in this country.
The biggest winner is Winston, who did not lower himself to be thrown into a rink with stirred up and desperate little political party agitators. I think Winston did follow his perfect instinct, and thought, he will not bother facing off with mostly losers.
This will win him and NZ First even more votes on 23 September.
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