
Winston’s extraordinarily stupid desire to throw raw meat out for his new Provincial voters makes his bottom line to do away with the Maori electorate seats extremely dangerous.
Put aside the self mutilating of MMP with a reduction of MPs to make it less democratic, the simple naked tyranny of the majority Winston is trying to inspire with a binding referendum to rob Maori of their electorate seats will do one thing and one thing only.
Start a civil war.
Maori will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever accept the theft of their Maori electorates anymore than they will accept new confiscation of any of their lands.
Winston learned at the elbow of the great NZ Fascist, Sir Robert Muldoon. Muldoon had no problems using rugby with apartheid racists to create a culture war that divided the country and pitted Kiwi against Kiwi in a political dance of spite.
By so recklessly waking the sleeping dogs of provincial racism, Winston has not only proved how very right the Greens were to attack him, he has also revealed that he is prepared to set alight a Muldoon civil war in order to gain power.
The utter unethical corruption he is attempting to sow here should make every educated NZer vomit.
Maori will not accept having their electorates stolen from them, and we must never allow Winston to


NZ First’s conservative nationalism is something the left needs to resist. Unfortunately Labour have fostered this dead-end approach by talking too much about immigration.
Labour could have said they’ll reduce immigration, but it should never have been a major policy of theirs., They should’ve followed Corbyn’s example where immigration reduction was a policy, but it was a policy that they rarely spoke about (because it’s not a solution).
The Greens have thankfully come through for the left in the past few weeks. They’ve backtracked on immigration reductions and put forward a policy that will restructure welfare in a way that will substantially reduce poverty.
Everyone I know is talking about the Greens (admittedly I live in a left-wing bubble).
…” NZ First’s conservative nationalism is something the left needs to resist. Unfortunately Labour have fostered this dead-end approach by talking too much about immigration ” …
Nah. Not unless you want the Left to really take a dive. Its numbers , mate. And its not a dead end approach to talk immigration or any other issue that needs looking at. And just because a party isn’t currently waving a certain policy in front of the crowds doesn’t mean they haven’t retained it. If anything – all three party’s are quite agreeable on that one issue alone – just by various degrees and how much they want to identified by it.
Winston = fascism and Muldoonism and that is a fact, he has a clear desire to take centre stage, always has and always will, yet each time he has achieved this self-centered position he has stuffed it up. Various governments have given him the boot. He has been a failure personified.
He is a dangerous out of control wreaking machine being paid for by the State.
The Greens have shown him to be a cardboard replica of a long dead Muldoon. The Radio New Zealand interview with him on morning report simply proves the point.
He is just lucky that some elderly still vote for him. His party is not democratic nor open to debate. His party didn’t want Shane Jones but Winston did so they ended up with Jones the neoliberist and blue movie man [paid for by the state] he is even lining him up to be deputy leader, so much for Ron Mark.
Ron Mark has principles and is not a political opportunist, not much use to Winston.
It’s a pity as Mark, Martin and Tabuteau are good people.
If anything the National party is a dangerous out of control wreaking machine being paid for by the State.
And again. Its numbers . And without NZ First , – Labour and the Greens alone will not be able to form a government.
And that’s where we find ourselves in the year 2017.
I think you are allowing another wrecking ball by National for another three years with this constant attack on the opposition parties!!!!
What are you doing Martyn????
This is not balanced Journalism mate i am disturbed here.
Apparently in the NZ Herald this morning it had several ways Peters could become PM. One path involved diminishing the Labour votes , and putting in for the top job that way. The other of course, involved putting in for the top job by going into coalition with a weakened National ( with all probability that Nationals current polling’s will fall as they usually do in an election ).
However you yourself struck upon something yesterday that was interesting…
That there is the very slight possibility that the Greens had been in dialogue with the Maori party… if so , that could explain both the acceptance of working with Peters with a Labour / Greens win , but also … a very slight chance the Maori party forms a bloc with the Greens. And therefore also with Labour and NZ First.
This may or may not have explained Metiria’s boldness in attacking Peters as a racist because they felt they had back up.
It may soften Winston’s concessions demands somewhat if that is the case,… and conversely… it may also explain Peters wanting to limit parliament numbers and abolish the Maori seats… because the Maori party needs them, and also the coat-tailing ability to bring in more MP’s.
So possibly strengthening Peters negotiating ability if he goes with Labour / Greens.
I would also say that there is quite a lot of acrimony from some posters against NZ First which is far more damaging and unhelpful rather than constructive in getting rid of National , … the aim of the game is to get rid of National first and foremost and at least try and be conciliatory in some measure to all the party’s that are going to be needed to form the new incoming government.
This is the MMP system we once voted for.
Personally I think retaining the Maori seats is a good thing, however , they were sorely needed in the past and even then they were only included because of settler greed. And it wasn’t until around 1975 that this country started to grow up and stop acting like a colonial outpost . I can see that they might be getting a bit outdated in concept . But it is something the Maori people will have to decide. But it also affects non Maori to a point. So it would be hard not to include that demographic as well.
As for the larger numbers in parliament that is a double edged sword… we have seen how it has been used to prop up and hold in power a very , very corrupt government. Conversely again… it has also enabled better representation and the ability for smaller party’s to make a difference.
But I don’t think it is something that at this stage should be used to tear down what could the beginning of a very positive era for New Zealand.
I like Winston and what he says makes a lot of sense. IT takes courage to come out with a binding referendum for or against maori seats. I think your definition of Fascism is different from mine. All Winston is doing is going to the public and ask their opinion. Just like the amount of mp’s in parliament. I think of Hitler when I think of facism. The Nazi party had full control over the media the way the neoliberals do now, they pushed a lot of racial laws through using the media the way it is now. With the GCSB spying on us, I don’t see much difference between 1933 and 2017. Anything that goes against the grade of establishment, you people act like nazi sympathizers. New Zealand is divided by race and that’s because politicians lie to the public then get into office and secretly, with corporate media, pass their fascist laws.
So all that said, given that you don’t see a change of government as being possible without Winston’s support and given that this policy is looking to be a bottom line for any coalition agreement, are you effectively resigning yourself with a “let’s hope National get an outright majority so as to keep Winston as far away from power as possible”? I’m devil’s advocating here, obviously, but Winston is a thing we’re going to have to address if National is to be kicked out.
I suspect you are right, Nitrium.
In the final analysis the number one rule in politics is being able to count.
Yep another 3 Years of National will be great for New Zealand
Yep another 3 Years of National will be great for New Zealand ?
Unfortunately Winston & NZF has a very strong Caucus and some very good new candidates, he could potentially win Clutha-Southland with Mark Patterson who is Head of the Sheep & Beef Excellence Council, after all Southland produce 18% of NZ Exports mainly from the Agricultural Sector.
How very right the Greens were to attack him?
But didnt you write this at the time, Martyn?
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/07/12/can-you-actually-trust-voting-for-greens-after-they-rule-out-working-with-labournz-first/
Winston Peters or Winston Smith?
At war with Eastasia or Eurasia?
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