I think Donald Trump is a narcissistic buffoon who has been elected as the Republican Nominee by angry white Nascar Dads who want him as a wrecking ball to smash the cultural, political and economic elites who have supposedly caused their perceived loss of privilege.
When you are so used to being the winner, equality feels like discrimination.
Voting for Trump is like voting for Brexit. A mad final strike that levels everyone to the level of hurt you are holding onto.
For the entirety of the campaign, Hillary has delighted in highlighting the grossly offensive racist and sexist trash that has given him his Nascar Dad cred. The phenomenal number of viewers tuning in were expecting a fanged monster who spits acid between devouring babies.
Trump didn’t do that in the debate. Horrifically he pulled everything back to create the gravitas that Independents and Republican’s need.
He did that.
Damn him to hell.
But he did that.
Don’t think the Republicans aren’t incredibly clever.
On Twitter and Facebook, we all laughed at the shallow nature of his points and the obvious depth of Hillary’s and scream ‘what debate were you watching’.
Grimly, the same debate, but looking at it through the eyes of those who are open to influence and Trump’s toned down reasonableness would have surprised those voters.
Now, obviously this maniac is a narcissistic buffoon, but the Republican’s have cleverly polished him and he surprised the viewers, and that’s not what should have happened.
Hillary should have wiped the floor with him. She didn’t.
Trump ended up agreeing with Hillary on many things which I think is an attempt to bait Bernie NeverHillary’s.
Trump consolidated the Republican base and just edged closer to being the President.
China is already protectionist and America is heading that way no matter what party wins the US Presidency. That posses many questions for us in New Zealand. The cost of doing business in the US is going to rise and we better start producing the nessecary materials for civilisation here at home instead of begging other countries to provide New Zealand with the base materials of life like steel and chemicals and minerals.
Risk is materialising everywhere and globalisation is its target.
Well, I choose to disagree. Trump too a few “good” swings at Hillary, yes, early on, and later on the odd occasion, but overall Hillary did clearly have the upper hand and delivered some good arguments.
While I dislike them both, I think Hillary is the lesser risk and evil in this race. I saw most of the debate live on Al Jazeera English (on Freeview) this afternoon.
Trump is a great manipulator, he looked ridiculous though, defending the undefendable, e.g. the earlier claims that Obama was not born in the US, from which he only retracted very recently.
He will though continue to appeal to the angry, the new white middle and lower class underdogs, who see their past security and living standards vanish, it does not matter what is the truth, he has definitely got his following.
But I think it will not be enough for him to win.
He was incredibly generous to Hillary especially when he agreed with all her phoney points on Cyber security, as he had a real point he could well have scored through her whole phony front when she said we have to strengthen our joint efforts to share our global “intelligence facilities” by “Hovering up all those tools”!!!!!!!!
What did you say Hillary???????
Wasn’t you the one that had no security on your own personal server, with your 30.000 emails????????
She would have chocked on her own fumbled words trying to cover it up again!!!!!
Trump showed incredibly strong restraint and must now have a sore bitten tongue after that restraint.
So yes he dispelled all the monster evil MSM she carefully built up about him being to unstable to be president.
He has edged very much closer to being a more suitable leader then Hillary, as he shoved the TPPA at her and she handled that very badly by changing the debate to blaming him for other side-lined issues rather than fronting this evil Corporate plan tom control all Government for many years ahead.
Trump is the only ome not interested in TPPA here.
+100 CLEANGREEN…I think the closer it gets to the Election the more deadly the Trump’s attacks will be on Clinton …just as they were on Jeb Bush and Ted Cuz…he is saving his fire power for the last…like the deal maker he is
I agree Mike in Auckland. Hillary was more prepared and had the better of the two. The mediator was biased- I was not really his role to grill Trump.
I suspect the next debate will be more interesting !
100% GARIBALDI
Let’s hope so. But of the many in my US family their is one crazy, and I mean a real loon, and guess who he like. My family is realtively sane compare to the masses of white poor in the backwoods.
Not this time Martyn. Clinton clearly won. Clinton highlighted Trump as a racist bigot, sexist pig that he is. Highlighted by being taken to court for not letting out his rentals to Afro Americans in the 70’s.
The one question I have for anyone, would you trust Trump with his finger on the button of a nuclear bomb?
Being president is more about directing the economy and achieving foreign policy objectives without going to war with Russia. Racist bigotry and sexist pigism are largely irrelevant.
I think I would trust Trump’s button finger more than Hilary’s. Unlike her, Trump is not so stupid as to think the US could win a nuclear war with Russia.
“Unlike her, Trump is not so stupid”
Seriously! Trump is thick as batshit. How many times has he been bankrupt. Lets see his tax returns or lack of them. The man inherited money, not created it, he talks rhetoric with no substance. Someone who has been bankrupt once let alone 3 times, should be nowhere near the purse strings. Even worse, he believes in the trickle down effect. Give me 30 years experience in Washington than a bigot who only want’s power.
I would you desist from misquoting me. Next time use my full sentense.
Not this time Martyn. Clinton clearly won. Clinton highlighted Trump as a racist bigot, sexist pig that he is. Highlighted by being taken to court for not letting out his rentals to Afro Americans in the 70’s.
The one question I have for anyone, would you trust Trump with his finger on the button of a nuclear bomb?
Dropping the corporate business tax rate from 35% to 15% will create jobs and wealth for all american said Trump, ba hahahaha! How does a millionaire become a billionaire… by not giving any away!
If a Trump presidency, assuming one eventuates, fails it won’t be because he is a racial bigot or a sexist pig, but because of the way he governs the country. In the actual debate Hillary concentrated on irrelevencies like his bankruptcies and his politically incorrect attitudes, while the Donald drove home his views on offshoring of jobs and the stupidities of the various free trade agreements and the damage they were dong to the US economy, and what he would do to rectify matters. MRegardless of appearances that makes him the winner of the debate.
Hilary’s points are relevant for the obvious reasons, bringing up the fact that Trump has been bankrupted 6 times, has huge debts, doesn’t pay tax and has a history of not paying his workers is not a good model to draw on with which to run a country is it? Trump doesn’t even employ Americans in his companies, opting for cheap foreign labour like Poland for example. How can Trump build a wall when his own business is in Mexico and he employs Mexicans?
It’s because he’s a racist , a bigot and sexist,that he’ll never be president Mikesh, work it out I’m sure even you can do the math.
Who cares?
The US president has very little real power, Obama’s foreign policy is indistinguishable from George W’s, and all the freaking out and/or sneering by people on the left is just making Trump’s supporters love him all the more.
All he’s doing is bringing attitudes to the surface that have gone underground – it might even do some good in the long run.
As for Brexit – why would any country want to be part of the Europe economic system when it’s central bank is totally controlled by the private banks?
Yes people are hurting but lets not get caught up in the emotional hysteria around Trump – he’ll just do what he’s told as president, just like Hilary will.
Hillary is a mouthpiece of the establishment, military-industrial-kleptocrat complex. At least she seems sane. Trump is a dangerously unstable lunatic, immune to facts and reason.
Despite having huge respect for what you have to say and that I normally agree with your summations, in this instance will have to disagree with you Martyn. Watched with friends and the consensus is, is that Hillary Clinton won it. She showed up Donald Trump for what he is, he showed himself up for what he is, he is just out for himself, what a hypocrite, despite trying his hardest to appear reasonable.
How many presidential candidates admit, like Hillary Clinton did, that trickle down economics has not worked, has failed and is the cause for the GFC? She said “the last thing we need to do is to go back to the policies that failed us in the first place.”
Its an illusion of choice Trump isn’t going to win Their system doesn’t work like that? He’s there for the media to hate and to lose so that people won’t be surprised who they put into the white house there system is rigged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_wjQtfhZQ
100% KELLY
It is truly the power of the corporate MSM like NZ that will decide Clinton’s return here.
This is not democracy!
It is Corporatism plain and simple.
It was definitely rigged to get Key the worst PM we ever had, elected here.
Ain’t that the truth KAPPANZ
Either way the TPP is rooted. Trump did say he would place massive tariffs on imported goods that are produced overseas by American companies and drop company tax massively, good on him.
Hillary said she would raise taxes massively for the rich. That would ensure more American products were produced offshore. But both of them will kill the TPP and Trump will try to turn back trading agreements already in place.
Was it just me or did Trump completely loose his way at the end of the debate?
A good win for Hillary. But Trump would have appealed to all those that have lost their jobs to offshore manufacturers.
Sounds crazy but Andrew Little should maybe try the same in NZ. How many workers have lost their jobs to offshore factories?
Shouldn’t of been called ‘ a debate’, it should of been called ‘ screwed either way’.
Ha ha Good words Kim Dandy.
It’s a typical US circus, and we will suffer with either side likely but Hillary is war hungry to send our men to was again sadly.
Yes. There wasn’t much “debate” in the sense of one party putting up an argument and the other party trying to refute it.
You are probably right Martyn. The lesser of 2 evils but only just. Surely in the U.S. there is someone better.
Yeah but you don’t like Burney Sanders
is ‘burney’ bernies’ evil twin..?
Trump showed how to take a strategic win out of a tactical loss. Martin is quite correct; this is an affirmation exercise for the converted, not a proselytising event. Those who think Hillary or Trump won’t are those already in agreement with one or the other. Hillary gave what they expected, nothing different. Trump showed a different side, he may be the devil incarnate but he’s a clever devil.
100% Nick JJ.
Hillary was looking down at her podium screen every time she listened to trump then had her notes revived in her head before responding which showed she is no match for trump on a one to one off the cuff argument, so rump is the real item and she is just a trumpet as her words were straight from corporate agenda spin not from her own head, and we should be worried here as she is a tool of corporate agenda spin and trump is not.
an interesting fact is that clinton beat trump by the same margin that mitt romney beat obama in their first debate..in ’08..
(as to what conclusions to draw from that little factoid – i haven’t got a fucken clue..)
Nope. The worm showed Trump won
These are the only worms who thought that Trump won (and Bradbury in the OP above of course, for reasons of his own):
http://www.salon.com/2016/09/27/trumpwon-is-bogus-a-reminder-that-online-polls-are-mostly-meaningless/
The worm is a poll taken of the live audience reaction which trum won. You wouldn’t hear about that because the results does not fit the major network narrative
There is zero intelligent analysis of Trump, just the “he’s a redneck bigot” angle.
Bottom line is Clinton is far more dangerous. If you have the Bush’s voting for you then that says a lot.
The only issue here I believe is the coming war with Russia. Clinton will deliver the nice war the neo-cons want. Trump will, at best negotiate out of it, and at worst, delay it.
I would hold my nose and vote Trump.
1000% STEVE
She (Hillary is from the war monger atable and she loves to see war again, remember when they invaded Libya and Iraq?
She gleefully said “We came we saw he died.”
Meanwhile Trump wanted to assasinate Gadaffi for his horrendous war crimes, then two years later hosted him on his front lawn and bragged about how much money he made off him.
Who even cares which one of these two classic examples of egoism outpointed the other?
Being seen as being a sexist and a racist hasn’t damaged pols on either half of the american empire party and it is plain foolish to imagine it will this time around.
It is important to remember that prez ’16 will be decided in a handful of ‘battleground states’ such as Utah, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina & Florida – none of which highly value their leaders being what they term as ‘politically correct’.
Take a gander at US blogs and you will see that for about 95% of voters the ‘winner’ was believed to be whoever the poster believed should win.
“Lesser of two evils” is a disaster of a strategy for ClintonInc because not only does it leave itself open to the reasonable call that Clinton is more evil it offers none of that which persuades so-called swing voters – hope.
What can a swinging voter hope for if he/she votes Clinton? More of the same neoliberal garbage as Obama – keep on turning the US into an economic shithole?
As vapid and unachievable as Trump’s promises are, they do at least promise to make things better.
Clinton on the other hand offers nothing but the certainty of war – big war, and not even swivel eyed slack jawed red necked loons believe that could be a ‘good thing’.
ClintonInc imagine that war is a viable way to solve the looming economic crisis simply because none of them nor their friends plan on being anywhere close to the sharp end of a war stick.
The rest of us may not fare so well.
They say a country gets the governance it deserves. Well if enough dumbass phucwit rednecks vote for Drumph, the dumbest phucwit ever, then they deserve to live through the havoc his presidency will create. Unfortunately we in the rest of the world will be badly affected by this ignorant racist nutcase. Let us hope Hillary wins and brings some sanity to the country. After all, she has been in office before and did not bring the world down, in fact she succeeded in very good diplomacy. Hillary for President.
They say a country gets the governance it deserves. Well if enough dumbass phucwit rednecks vote for Drumph, the dumbest phucwit ever, then they deserve to live through the havoc his presidency will create. Unfortunately we in the rest of the world will be badly affected by this ignorant racist nutcase. Let us hope Hillary wins and brings some sanity to the country. After all, she has been in office before and did not bring the world down, in fact she succeeded in very good diplomacy. Hillary for President.
HANITTY SAID IT RIGHT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.
I LISTEN FIRST WITHOUT ANY PRE-POLITICAL AGENDA AS NEUTRAL LISTENER WAITING TO BE SWAYED, AND WOUND UP HEARING VERY LITTLE FROM HER EXCEPT SHE APPEARED TO BE PAYING TO CORPORATE WASHINGTON.
Come on, all he ranted on about was the past; the small amount of money he started with ($40k)!!; how much property he had; how smart he was at tax evasion; the dreaded Chinese. I could go on and on with the nonsense he spouted and sniffed his way through the debate. Not one constructive policy to be heard. The man is a complete tosser and if people can’t evaluate how shallow and illiterate he is then goodness knows what havoc he will cause. Hillary made mincemeat of him; she has more poise, intelligence and knowledge of the world in her little finger than this racist, sexist and complete egotistical idiot.
I think you must have been away making a coffee or something when he talked about the offshoring of jobs, and the alleged foolishness of various “free trade” agreements, and what he would do to rectify mattersh; and I suppose you were off for a leak when he talked about his proposed 20 percentage point tax reduction.
June is completely correct in what she has said. And further re TPPA, like John key Trump is wedded to corporate Wall street and when push comes to shove, like John key, Trump will do as he is told. Make no mistake about.
Has any one not heard the adage, people will only hear what they want to hear?.
People will tell you what you want to hear with a view to getting you on their side so that you will vote for them.
People voting C will only hear what she has to say and bag T, people voting T will only hear what he has to say and bag C.
At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding on voting day.
i can’t vote for myself because my comments aren’t there…where have they gone?….down a black hole under the post box?
…where is Dr Who?
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