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GUEST BLOG: David Cunliffe – BREXIT: WHAT, WHY AND WHAT NEXT?

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The Brexit vote represents the current progressive paradox: the left should be able to represent the many marginalised by neo-liberal capitalism; but is struggling to connect with them in reality, particularly young people and males. The result is that extremist nationalist figures are converging far right and left wing dissatisfaction thinking under a nationalistic, populist banner.

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Is the decision by British voters to exit the European Union last night actually a sober lesson for progressive movements around the world?
Then immediate results are there for all to see; the longer term has yet to be determined.

Economically:
– The equivalent of ten New Zealand economies were wiped off global markets in the first day;
– The UK faces a credit rating downgrade and a currency “collapse”. This will feed through to a risk premium on global credit and higher mortgage costs in New Zealand. We may offset some of this with new trade and migration opportunities into the UK;
– The fallout has only just begun, and there is a real chance of a tip to a global recession, at least in the Eurozone and US. European bank risk is already high after Greece and this could be a major blow.
– Western recession will reduce demand for Chinese exports at a time when Chinese assets are already in a bubble. Economic dominoes may tumble despite concerted central bank intervention to print money like there’s no tomorrow.

Politically:
– Massive geo-strategic shifts are inevitable. Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland will stay in the EU. Britain will fracture. NATO will be weakened. The Russia-China relationship will strengthen.
– Domestic politics in the UK is in turmoil. Cameron is gone. Johnson has split from Farage. Corbyn faces a leadership revolt. There will be immense pushback against Brexit even after the vote.

Pundits will analyse the causes of the Brexit vote and what it means for other polities, including our own.

The fact is, the vote was predicted by almost no pollster or expert in the days prior. In that respect it echoes Trump’s largely unpredicted populist campaign in the United States.

Trump was quick to seize on the parallel; and many Brexit voters also took pleasure in ambushing the conventional wisdom among the privileged that they were about to lose.

This is a victory that the most unsavoury parts of politics, not just in the United Kingdom but across Europe, will be celebrating, whether it is Farage, Le Pen or Trump.

The Brexit vote represents the current progressive paradox: the left should be able to represent the many marginalised by neo-liberal capitalism; but is struggling to connect with them in reality, particularly young people and males.

The result is that extremist nationalist figures are converging far right and left wing dissatisfaction thinking under a nationalistic, populist banner.

The duality between elitism and democracy, between highly-educated globalists and less-privileged voters, is becoming a growing force in global politics. As one commentator said, it’s either “an uprising of real people against out-of-touch economic and political elites”. Or throwing their country under a bus, or both.

The conundrum is how to we fix it? This must been seen as a wake-up call by all who believe in progress and recognise the interpendance of the global system.

The message from Brexit and Trump, Sanders and Corbyn is (ironically) the same: ignore working people at your peril. Wealth can only be concentrated for so long until popular backlash hits. High grade PR may delay but cannot avoid that reality.

People want to feel good about their country. They want to feel proud and connected. The need to feel their country is progressive and has a plan. We can and will deliver on that, but in the meantime there are things that everyone in the left movement can be doing to connect and respect.

In Labour we call that restoring the “Kiwi dream’. First, attend to the basics:
– A warm dry home that every family can afford to own or rent. No more kids sleeping in cars or garages for goodness sake!
– Free or affordable education that underpins the economy of the future and provides opportunity and social mobility for all;
– First class health care that is there when you need it not just when you can afford it;
– A welfare safety net to bounce back off when misfortune strikes;
– A plan for the future of our country that is inclusive and understood; and
– A society that is tolerant, outward looking and celebrates diversity and talent.

As progressives who believe in a non-racist, anti-xenophobic future we should be very, very worried by what has happened in the UK. We’ve now got a world in which it is much scarier place to be a migrant and much harder to advance the values we hold dear – the equality of people, the rights of the individual, accountable and democratic Government.

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  1. OnceWasTim says:

    Good post David. The dynamics of this are all very interesting and the future unknown.
    Personally my view is that the decision is mad and driven by a complete loss of faith in the political class who’ve failed us over the past decade or more.
    People are basically pissed of with hegemony at all levels.
    For me, democracy exists FIRSTLY at the community and regional level, then at a nation-state level, THEN within an international region (in our case with our Pacific neighbours), and finally at the global level.
    Sounds a bit naiive and idealistic maybe, but in NZ we’ve seen our local bodies shat on (such as ECAN and others), and with unelected administrators within various councils often ignoring the will of elected council members; underfunding of democratic institutions (such as Ombudsman’s Office et al), governments with an ‘elected dictatorship’ mentality ignoring the public’s will (asset sales, TPPA, et al); some of our Pacifica being treated like shit; and a complete subservience to the markets the shmarkets no matter what the social cost.
    We shouldn’t really be surprised at the outcome. The natives eventually get restless and it’s all been building up since the 80’s greed-is-good neo-liberal programme.

  2. CLEANGREEN says:

    Hi David,

    THERE SHOULD BE SOME SWIFT REACTION FROM THE EU COMMISSIONERS ON RELAXING THE RULES AROUND THE WHOLE MEMBERSHIP OF THIS EU BECAUSE AFTER THE UK PEOPLE SPOKE FOR AN EXIT CLEAR EVIDENCE IS EMERGING THAT THOSE BEAUROCRATS THAT ADMINSTRATE THIS FAILED EXPERIMENT ARE NOW FEEDING DISENTION AMOGST THE UK BY SETTING IT UP FOR A YUGISLAVIA STYLE FRACTURING AS A OHONY PETITION BEGAN IN LONDON FOR ANOTHER REFERENDUM CLAIMING THE REFERENDUM WAS PHONEY AND NOW ON RT OF THE THREE MILLION VOTES FOR ANOTHER REFERENDUM A THIRD CAME FROM THE VATICAN AND MANY MORE CAME FROM FRANCE!!!!!!!!
    ALL THIS WHILE SCOTLAND WHO WANT TO EXIT FROM THE UK MEMBERS OF THE SCOTISH PARLIAMENT ATTENDED THE RECENTLY SECRETLY HELD NAZI FOUNDED BILDERBERG GROUP DRESDEN MEETING WHY?

    I THINK EVIL IS AT PLAY HERE AS WAS DURING THE BREAKUP OF YUGOSLAVIA AND UKRANE AS A BILDERBERG AGENDA TO WEAKEN THE WHOLE EROPEAN CONSTRUCT SO THEY CAN FINALLY RULE.

    THIS IS WHY SEVERAL COUNTRIES WILL ALSO VOTE TO EXIT THE MONSTER NOW CALLED THE EU. IT IS RUN BY DARK FORCES AND BILDERBERG ELITISTS, AND THAT IS WHY IT IS ALWAYS HELD IN SERCRET.

    NZ/AUSTRALIA/CANADA SHOULD NOW DECLARE ITS INTENTION TO REQUEST ANOTHER COMMONWEALTH ALLIANCE WITH THE UK,

    This may help save the UK before it breaks apart as this action may change Scotland and Northern Ireland from seeking separation from the Commonwealth via UK seperation.

    • Blake says:

      Masks of Global Tyranny —
      Telling the surfs what to do —–
      Dark Suited bureaucrats — self appointed arrogance and corruption

      No more tyrannical trade agreements to benefit corporations and further enslave people —– GONE gone GONE ! ! ! !

      https://www.davidicke.com/news-by-david?mc_cid=cbfb228625&mc_eid=22efe48d28

      ” Politics is manipulated from the shadows.” — D. Icke

      Take our power back ! ! ! They want us in their noose – frighten people with their
      stock market and monetary value horror stories. Rothschilds moving trillions around to push the pound up or pound down. Fear fear, they will try and manipulate us. Thanks to all the truth seekers; truth tellers and whistleblowers.
      The EU backers will fight and fight, more negotiations and more referendums etc. to try and manipulate us.

      • phillip ure says:

        ‘Telling the surfs what to do’..heh..!

        ‘surfs’ never like being told what to do..rebellious wretches..with their waves..

        ..and david icke..and anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories..

        ..that is quite the package..

        • Blake says:

          Disagree with you Phillip. The package needing exposure are the very greedy pro-war elitists; power hungry multi-national corporatists and criminal bankers who are quivering as they are slowly loose power over the people. BREXIT ! ! Oh how they hate that word.

          The term ” conspiracy theorist ” was coined by these same idiots to discredit the truth speakers. These corporate / lobbyists / criminal bankers and upper 1 % ers are the real conspiracy nutters, not the people who voted them out in England and surely not David Icke, who has been lied about and misrepresented for a long time.
          Power to the people, not the corporate elite who wanted to stay in the EU.
          — PEOPLE — BEFORE — PROFITS.
          David Icke is only telling the truths that many find hard to hear and so they discredit him. He is being proven right more and more as time goes on. Take a moment and listen to someone who is ethical and honest.

  3. Nick says:

    Well said, David.

    In-your-face iconoclasts take note.

    There is a way forward, but that way is by the restoration and restatement of the social contract, not a wholesale rejection of an interrelated world, no matter how challenging that world might be.

  4. Adrian says:

    “The Brexit vote represents the current progressive paradox: the left should be able to represent the many marginalised by neo-liberal capitalism; but is struggling to connect with them in reality, particularly young people and males.”

    I think one of the real elephants in the room as far as the left connecting with voters, is the media.
    If your political ideology is socially divisive and blows hard on the racial dog whistle, main stream media can’t seem to get enough of you, which of course equals free instant profile and air time.
    If on the other hand, your platform is one of progressive social equality, labour rights etc…well as we all know, when it comes to media coverage, you can hear a pin drop.

    Politically aware NZ Citizens need to constantly remind their main stream media sources, of their obligations to provide fair and even coverage when ever they see this lack of, or biased reporting.
    Our media need to hear this dissatisfaction relentlessly, or nothing will ever change.
    I know it probably seems like a hassle to contact and complain (gently) to your local newspaper, RNZ or TVNZ once a week, but over time, if programmers, editors and reporters feel like enough people are really watching or listening to them, and really caring about what is covered or said…who knows, maybe a little more balance might start appearing.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      100% Adrian,

      “I think one of the real elephants in the room as far as the left connecting with voters, is the media.
      If your political ideology is socially divisive and blows hard on the racial dog whistle, main stream media can’t seem to get enough of you, which of course equals free instant profile and air time.”

      THIS MEDIA LOSS OF INVERSTIGATIVE JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY, is planned after the Corporations elitist cabal took over the entire former free press with the blessing of docile Governments around the globe.

      At the secretive Bilderberg meeting two weeks ago (9-12th June 2016)the heavy weights of the global media were in attendance as they planned the Brexit strategy and how they could actually capitalise of weakening the UK Government to take it over and guess what, we never heard a peep from the lapdog of the Elitist’s/Bilderberg cabal, we call a free media???

    • OnceWasTim says:

      “I think one of the real elephants in the room as far as the left connecting with voters, is the media.
      If your political ideology is socially divisive and blows hard on the racial dog whistle, main stream media can’t seem to get enough of you, which of course equals free instant profile and air time.”

      By that I’m assuming you mean the COMMERCIAL MSM such as it exists in Nu Zull – there’s SFA else.
      And of course the ‘free marketeers’ and the neo-liberals* are busy trying to bury anything that resembles P U B L I C broadcasting services.
      (They brand it in negative terms at every opportunity they get – Oh the irony when Bill Ralston of “The Ralston Group” used to refer to ‘state TV’ – right up until the time it began to provide him with an over-inflated income.)
      One day, people will wake up (as many are starting to) and realise that the neo-liberal programme and its agenda, bubble politics (both on the left and right), free markets (that aren’t actually free and always come with strings attached) are antithetical to democratic principles and what we supposedly subscribe to as a right to self-determination.
      In the case of Britain – I’m waiting for those advocating for Corbyn’s demise to see the consequences of that. They’re busy trying to drum up reasons why he’s supposedly no good – such as “he didn’t try hard enough”, just as the Labour Right in NZ formed an ‘ABC’. If they didn’t subscribe to the principles under which the party was formed – then fuck off and start your own party and see where you get instead of riding on the coat tails of the efforts of others (and now what we refer to as ‘branding’) in order to further your own agendas!. Here’s looking at you Tony Blair, ABCers, Paganis (and dare I say it – Kitteridges, Jagosies and all).
      They’ve been reluctant to risk the SUV and flat screen TV on it though, and it might mean they have to acquaint themselves with concepts such as empathy and compassion.

      You’re entirely correct @ Adrian. Our media is our 20th and 21st C public sphere where once there were soap boxes, Town Halls and venues where the people’s voice would be heard. It’s now almost completely absent, and as a result – we have scenarios like Brexit to mull over.

      I have no problem with a diverse commercial media representing various interests JUST AS LONG as it can be matched with a strong electronic public sphere – and that’d be something more than just one TVNZ7 type operation. It’d include a venue for the non-commercial dissemination of News and Current affairs, a venue for the intellectual property we all paid for (such as the Heartland available to all and now defunct – providing our cultural endeavours), a Childrens TV/Educational outlet, a National Radio, a Concert Radio, a The Wireless Radio, Access Radio, and at the very least a guaranteed and paid for platform providing IWI radio services and MTS.

      Just as with water, these airwaves and this ‘ether’ is actually OURS. We’ve signed it all over to commercial interests to make money for a very few, without so much as a whimper.

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        Well said ONCEWASTIM.

        We are in the last attempt by greedy Elitists to throttle our freedom to speak out in the so call “free press” which is now a memory.

        When the revolution arrives these tumpets & stool pigeons of the Elitists will be taken over by revolutionists as the first public reaction to this enslavement of our democracy and free speak by these conspiring people paid for keeping the truth from us.

        History will repeat itself after suppression has forced revolution, as simple as that, they cannot kill the human spirit and the will to fight for their democracy.

  5. Helena says:

    The Cabal fiat banking system is, it would appear, dead:
    http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2016/06/rvgcr-intel-report-dow-futures-monday.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ascensionwithearth%2FkRNq+%28Ascension+with+Mother+Earth+and+Current+State+of+Affairs%29
    Let’s hope that eventually New Zealanders choose “leaders” who realize that control and power over others no longer works. Perhaps Labour can be that leader but only if the pseudo scare tactics and rhetoric is dropped. What was intended to be a military weapon of the Cabal, the internet, has helped humanity to grow up and we are all a lot wiser today than those who went before.
    With respect, I think it would behoove the Labour Party to realize that “education” from the beginning to university end was laid out by the Cabal and humanity has been kept largely ignorant of literally thousands of technological breakthroughs, all intended to keep groundhog day perpetuated through the generations. This, of course, helped the Cabal to keep their coffers full to overflowing. The same applies to medicine. There are no diseases which cannot be cured. If Labour were to succeed and lead New Zealanders into the prosperous years, I believe it, and its partners, need to take us into peace and withdraw all troops from wherever. All wars are bankers’ wars. Good luck, Mr Cunliffe. I wish you and your Party well.

    • John W says:

      +100%
      It is a nobrainer feeding the cabal who are so destructive to the environment and inhuman to their fellows.

      Fear of backlash from the Cabal is a politicians nightmare but cowards never faced their fears and overcame them.

      We had “free” education and health care as well as pensions and state housing. Yet we are going backwards as power to loot has become more organised.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      Us too HELENA,

      Great work David, we need your sanity during this stormy time in our history.

    • mary_a says:

      @ Helena … excellent post. Agree 100%.

    • Blake says:

      Well said Helena – thanks ! – time for new and ethical leadership and the people taking back their country and we have a very fine country in deed.

    • Words says:

      Nicely said Helena.

  6. jay1 says:

    As we’re talking about the UK Ill use a football analogy: to kick off the discussion.

    A Blow for Peace and Democracy: Why the British Said No to Europe

    by John Pilger

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/24/a-blow-for-peace-and-democracy-why-the-british-said-no-to-europe/

    “The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media.

    This was, in great part, a vote by those angered and demoralised by the sheer arrogance of the apologists for the “Remain” campaign and the dismemberment of a socially just civil life in Britain. The last bastion of the historic reforms of 1945, the National Health Service, has been so subverted by Tory and Labour-supported privateers it is fighting for its life.”

    Or as David Icke might say: it’s a giant ” Up Yours! ” to the faceless black suited bureaucrats of Brussels and also to the extreme class divided society the UK is now.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      Stunningly true that is JAY1,

      Questions swirl around these *** people whom attended the secretive Bilderberg meeting.

      Those are from EU faceless black suited bureaucrats of Brussels, Finance, media along with Scotland & Ireland who currently now oppose British Brexit now and are planning to possibly break away from UK?

      Ask yourself if the media attended the Bilderberg meeting why did you not hear about what went on or who from UK attend the secretive meetings?

      2016 Bilderberg Meeting

      Dresden, Germany 9-12 June

      Final list of Participants

      https://www.intellihub.com/bilderberger-henry-kissinger-wheelchair/

      DRESDEN, Germany (INTELLIHUB) — Key Bilderberg figurehead Henry Kissinger was captured on film walking slowly while clinching to a wheelchair as protestors tore into him verbally from behind a security fence at the 2016 Bilderberg conference which end Sunday.

      Germans protest in Dresden “Biderberg is not welcome in Dresden in 2016 NAZI they call to them!!!!!!!!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384sCGM-wSU

      Most observers agree that the attendee list is pro-European Union, anti-Brexit, pro-migration, pro-Hillary Clinton (a regular of Bilderberg meetings) and pro-high-tech surveillance. In short, it is pro-NWO. The very existence of these meetings reflect the elite’s lack of respect for the democracy.

      Even a cursory comparison between the guest list and the conference agenda raises red flags. All those finance ministers sitting round discussing the “geopolitics of energy and commodity prices” with the group chief executive of BP, the vice-chairman of Portuguese petroleum giant Galp Energia, and the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell. And then afterwards saying nothing to their respective parliaments about what they discussed. It’s so off-the-chart inappropriate that it beggars comprehension

      CHAIRMAN
      Castries, Henri de (FRA), Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

      Aboutaleb, Ahmed (NLD), Mayor, City of Rotterdam
      Achleitner, Paul M. (DEU), Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG
      ***Agius, Marcus (GBR), Chairman, PA Consulting Group
      Ahrenkiel, Thomas (DNK), Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Defence
      Albuquerque, Maria Luís (PRT), Former Minister of Finance; MP, Social Democratic Party
      Alierta, César (ESP), Executive Chairman and CEO, Telefónica
      Altman, Roger C. (USA), Executive Chairman, Evercore
      Altman, Sam (USA), President, Y Combinator
      Andersson, Magdalena (SWE), Minister of Finance
      Applebaum, Anne (USA), Columnist Washington Post; Director of the Transitions Forum, Legatum Institute
      Apunen, Matti (FIN), Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
      Aydin-Düzgit, Senem (TUR), Associate Professor and Jean Monnet Chair, Istanbul Bilgi University
      Barbizet, Patricia (FRA), CEO, Artemis
      ***Barroso, José M. Durão (PRT), Former President of the European Commission
      Baverez, Nicolas (FRA), Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
      Bengio, Yoshua (CAN), Professor in Computer Science and Operations Research, University of Montreal
      Benko, René (AUT), Founder and Chairman of the Advisory Board, SIGNA Holding GmbH
      Bernabè, Franco (ITA), Chairman, CartaSi S.p.A.
      Beurden, Ben van (NLD), CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
      Blanchard, Olivier (FRA), Fred Bergsten Senior Fellow, Peterson Institute
      Botín, Ana P. (ESP), Executive Chairman, Banco Santander
      Brandtzæg, Svein Richard (NOR), President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
      ***Breedlove, Philip M. (INT), Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
      Brende, Børge (NOR), Minister of Foreign Affairs
      Burns, William J. (USA), President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
      Cebrián, Juan Luis (ESP), Executive Chairman, PRISA and El País
      Charpentier, Emmanuelle (FRA), Director, Max Planck Institute for Infection Biology
      ***Coeuré, Benoît (INT), Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank
      Costamagna, Claudio (ITA), Chairman, Cassa Depositi e Prestiti S.p.A.
      Cote, David M. (USA), Chairman and CEO, Honeywell
      Cryan, John (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Bank AG
      Dassù, Marta (ITA), Senior Director, European Affairs, Aspen Institute
      Dijksma, Sharon A.M. (NLD), Minister for the Environment
      Döpfner, Mathias (DEU), CEO, Axel Springer SE
      Dyvig, Christian (DNK), Chairman, Kompan
      Ebeling, Thomas (DEU), CEO, ProSiebenSat.1
      Elkann, John (ITA), Chairman and CEO, EXOR; Chairman, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles
      Enders, Thomas (DEU), CEO, Airbus Group
      Engel, Richard (USA), Chief Foreign Correspondent, NBC News
      Fabius, Laurent (FRA), President, Constitutional Council
      Federspiel, Ulrik (DNK), Group Executive, Haldor Topsøe A/S
      Ferguson, Jr., Roger W. (USA), President and CEO, TIAA
      Ferguson, Niall (USA), Professor of History, Harvard University
      ***Flint, Douglas J. (GBR), Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
      Garicano, Luis (ESP), Professor of Economics, LSE; Senior Advisor to Ciudadanos
      ***Georgieva, Kristalina (INT), Vice President, European Commission
      Gernelle, Etienne (FRA), Editorial Director, Le Point
      Gomes da Silva, Carlos (PRT), Vice Chairman and CEO, Galp Energia
      ***Goodman, Helen (GBR), MP, Labour Party
      ***Goulard, Sylvie (INT), Member of the European Parliament
      Graham, Lindsey (USA), Senator
      Grillo, Ulrich (DEU), Chairman, Grillo-Werke AG; President, Bundesverband der Deutschen Industrie
      Gruber, Lilli (ITA), Editor-in-Chief and Anchor “Otto e mezzo”, La7 TV
      Hadfield, Chris (CAN), Colonel, Astronaut
      Halberstadt, Victor (NLD), Professor of Economics, Leiden University
      ***Harding, Dido (GBR), CEO, TalkTalk Telecom Group plc
      ***Hassabis, Demis (GBR), Co-Founder and CEO, DeepMind
      Hobson, Mellody (USA), President, Ariel Investment, LLC
      Hoffman, Reid (USA), Co-Founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
      Höttges, Timotheus (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Telekom AG
      Jacobs, Kenneth M. (USA), Chairman and CEO, Lazard
      Jäkel, Julia (DEU), CEO, Gruner + Jahr
      Johnson, James A. (USA), Chairman, Johnson Capital Partners
      Jonsson, Conni (SWE), Founder and Chairman, EQT
      Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. (USA), Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
      Kaeser, Joe (DEU), President and CEO, Siemens AG
      Karp, Alex (USA), CEO, Palantir Technologies
      Kengeter, Carsten (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Börse AG
      ***Kerr, John (GBR), Deputy Chairman, Scottish Power
      Kherbache, Yasmine (BEL), MP, Flemish Parliament
      Kissinger, Henry A. (USA), Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
      Kleinfeld, Klaus (USA), Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
      Kravis, Henry R. (USA), Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
      Kravis, Marie-Josée (USA), Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
      Kudelski, André (CHE), Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group
      ***Lagarde, Christine (INT), Managing Director, International Monetary Fund
      Levin, Richard (USA), CEO, Coursera
      Leyen, Ursula von der (DEU), Minister of Defence
      Leysen, Thomas (BEL), Chairman, KBC Group
      Logothetis, George (GRC), Chairman and CEO, Libra Group
      Maizière, Thomas de (DEU), Minister of the Interior, Federal Ministry of the Interior
      Makan, Divesh (USA), CEO, ICONIQ Capital
      Malcomson, Scott (USA), Author; President, Monere Ltd.
      Markwalder, Christa (CHE), President of the National Council and the Federal Assembly
      McArdle, Megan (USA), Columnist, Bloomberg View
      Michel, Charles (BEL), Prime Minister
      Micklethwait, John (USA), Editor-in-Chief, Bloomberg LP
      ***Minton Beddoes, Zanny (GBR), Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
      ***Mitsotakis, Kyriakos (GRC), President, New Democracy Party
      Morneau, Bill (CAN), Minister of Finance
      Mundie, Craig J. (USA), Principal, Mundie & Associates
      Murray, Charles A. (USA), W.H. Brady Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
      Netherlands, H.M. the King of the (NLD)
      ***Noonan, Michael (IRL), Minister for Finance
      Noonan, Peggy (USA), Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
      ***O’Leary, Michael (IRL), CEO, Ryanair Plc
      Ollongren, Kajsa (NLD), Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam
      Özel, Soli (TUR), Professor, Kadir Has University
      Papalexopoulos, Dimitri (GRC), CEO, Titan Cement Co.
      Petraeus, David H. (USA), Chairman, KKR Global Institute
      Philippe, Edouard (FRA), Mayor of Le Havre
      Pind, Søren (DNK), Minister of Justice
      Ratti, Carlo (ITA), Director, MIT Senseable City Lab
      Reisman, Heather M. (CAN), Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
      Rutte, Mark (NLD), Prime Minister
      ***Sawers, John (GBR), Chairman and Partner, Macro Advisory Partners
      Schäuble, Wolfgang (DEU), Minister of Finance
      Schieder, Andreas (AUT), Chairman, Social Democratic Group
      Schmidt, Eric E. (USA), Executive Chairman, Alphabet Inc.
      Scholten, Rudolf (AUT), CEO, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
      ***Schwab, Klaus (INT), Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum
      Sikorski, Radoslaw (POL), Senior Fellow, Harvard University; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
      Simsek, Mehmet (TUR), Deputy Prime Minister
      Sinn, Hans-Werner (DEU), Professor for Economics and Public Finance, Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich
      Skogen Lund, Kristin (NOR), Director General, The Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise
      ***Standing, Guy (GBR), Co-President, BIEN; Research Professor, University of London
      Svanberg, Carl-Henric (SWE), Chairman, BP plc and AB Volvo
      Thiel, Peter A. (USA), President, Thiel Capital
      Tillich, Stanislaw (DEU), Minister-President of Saxony
      Vetterli, Martin (CHE), President, NSF
      Wahlroos, Björn (FIN), Chairman, Sampo Group, Nordea Bank, UPM-Kymmene Corporation
      Wallenberg, Jacob (SWE), Chairman, Investor AB
      Weder di Mauro, Beatrice (CHE), Professor of Economics, University of Mainz
      ***Wolf, Martin H. (GBR), Chief Economics Commentator, Financial Times

      Most observers agree that the attendee list is pro-European Union, anti-Brexit, pro-migration, pro-Hillary Clinton (a regular of Bilderberg meetings) and pro-high-tech surveillance. In short, it is pro-NWO. The very existence of these meetings reflect the elite’s lack of respect for the democracy.

      Even a cursory comparison between the guest list and the conference agenda raises red flags. All those finance ministers sitting round discussing the “geopolitics of energy and commodity prices” with the group chief executive of BP, the vice-chairman of Portuguese petroleum giant Galp Energia, and the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell. And then afterwards saying nothing to their respective parliaments about what they discussed. It’s so off-the-chart inappropriate that it beggars comprehension.
      – Ibid.

      According to this Infowars article, an “insider source” claims that the meeting will discuss the implementation of an Internet ID and global tax.

      The secretive Bilderberg Group is set to discuss plans to implement an Internet ID to eviscerate anonymity on the web as well as a global tax on financial transactions and air travel, according to an inside source who spoke to Infowars.

      According to our source, the creation of a virtual passport that web users will need to obtain before they can use many Internet services is high on the agenda.

      The Internet ID will be justified under the guise of “cybersecurity” and creating a convenient method for citizens to access government services, but free speech advocates will view the proposal with deep suspicion as it would threaten online anonymity and possibly chill dissent.
      Services such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter could also use the online passport to revoke posting permission if a user violates terms of agreement, another obvious threat to the free flow of information that has made the web what it is today.
      – Infowars, Bilderberg Leak: Secretive Group To Discuss Internet ID, Global Tax.

      In short, this year’s meeting is all about keeping course on the ultimate goal: one world government, one world currency and total control of the masses through insidious policies and high technology.

      bilderberg

      Share.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384sCGM-wSU

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        EU REFERENDUM- The Real Face of the European Union

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0WeURiShfU

        This info has never been shown or never will be shown. The corruption runs deep. Perhaps the BBC might be interested in running this here production. – NOT. Serious when you have to come to youtube for your education…Fuck the EU.
        MIND BLOWING VODEO THANK YOU MR DAY FOR ENLIGHTENING US ALL TO THE EU BEING A RORT.

        • AndyS says:

          Thanks for sharing, that is a very enlightening video

          The EU is an undemocratic, authoritarian out of control juggernaut.

          The UK has absolutely done the right thing by voting “leave”.

          It now needs to invoke Article 50, start the 2 year exit process and find an interim solution such as the Norway Option and Flexcit with EEA as an off the shelf interim solution to trading

          Google “Flexcit” or go to eureferendum.com

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/the-eu-will-treat-britain-like-greece/

        The EU will treat Britain like Greece

        Matthew Holehouse, BRUSSELS

        26 June 2016 • 3:40pm

        “I arrived in Brussels as the Daily Telegraph’s correspondent in early June, 2015.

        A fortnight later, Alexis Tsipras snubbed Brussels, and called a referendum on the third bailout that was designed to save the Eurozone from collapse.

        The terms he was later given – €50bn of assets sold and a de facto control of economic policy surrendered – were so harsh they were later denounced as a “coup”.

        It taught me two things: that in the cause of its salvation the European Union can be profoundly flexible and exceptionally brutal, and that events can swiftly take a momentum that is hard to control.

        Nothing of that experience gives me hope for the years that now await our country.

        Britain is almost certainly out the European Union
        As far as Brussels is concerned, Britain has left.

        At home on Friday morning, Britons were dumbstruck, agog at the result, or chuffed at having taught Brussels a lesson.

        • jay1 says:

          The EU will treat Britain like Greece

          Can’t happen because the UK has its own currency the pound not the euro as Greece does to its ruin. Basically the UK can tell the EU to F off and no problems.

    • Chooky says:

      +100 to John Pilger…said it all!

  7. Mike the Lefty says:

    Thank you for your input David.
    I volunteer a very basic reason why “leave” won.
    The 1% were nearly all in the “remain” camp and many voters took delight in making their worst dreams come true and watching them squirm with misery whilst the millions they had gambled on a “remain” decision evaporated before their eyes.
    What it means for New Zealand and the rest of the world is largely in the hands of the 1%. Will they accept defeat and react responsibly or will they spit the dummy and plunge the world into economic depression?
    And what of the British and international media? Will they bother to really analyse it all in depth, or will they simply just play a blame game and look for heads to roll? So far it is the latter.

  8. Andrew says:

    David, you ask how the Left can reconnect with its traditional base.

    My suggestion is for Labour to start listening to real working people for a change. Not middle class ex bureaucrats such as yourself.

    The Party is today infested with a noisome mix of arty types, minority group fanatics and carpet baggers.

    • My suggestion is for Labour to start listening to real working people for a change. Not middle class ex bureaucrats such as yourself.

      Really, Andrew?! “Real working people”?

      Didn’t you claim in one of your replies to me that you’re a millionaire?

      • darth smith says:

        Real working people if you haven’t been paying attention working people are disappearing fast what has replaced the working class is the precariot a group who have a very unstable insecure life and the current system has no answer
        the challenge is to find polices fit for this new reality i be-leave what seen in Britain is this new class lashing out and make no mistake the same disconnect the hopelessness and feeling the is no future exists in new Zealand and growing.the contrast in Scotland is stark where the SNP have brought the people with them and that has brought hope of a future nz labour should study the SNP

      • Andrew says:

        It’s fairly easy to be a millionaire in today’s booming economic environment.

        Just self discipline and consistent effort.

        • Sam Sam says:

          Andrew also told me once he was a sewer worker in the Christurch recovery.

          Is fixing christurches quake damage infrastructure how you became a millionaire?

        • Fine, Andrew. Bully for you.

          But in which case I hardly think you’re in a position to be an advocate for the working man. Nor do I believe for one moment that you would ever vote Labour, Greens, etc. Your self-interest puts your political views elsewhere.

          • Andrew says:

            You’ve missed my point Frank. This is not about me. I don’t claim to be advocate for the working man.

            What I AM saying is that the current crop of Labour leaders aren’t either.

            They are a bunch of ex civil servants and party hacks since their uni days. Most have only ever lived off the back of the taxpayer and I can’t think of one with a trades or small business background.

            • Words says:

              That describes National’s useless line up of MPs/Ministers, including PM John key Andrew.

            • Blake says:

              Andrew –
              How much does your Neo-Nazi type Natz party pay you to put out such distracting nonsense meant to get a rise and spin more B.S. ?

              It is your Lord Fontleroy – Jonky Donky, the perpetual liar, and his elitist govt. who do not listen to the working class people. Your govt. shines with folks who are beholding to the motto – ” Profits before People ” – and they will genuflect the lowest when the corporations enter the room.
              Your disrespect and lies about the Labour MP’s shows your limited ethics and scant integrity and honesty.
              How many of your MP’s are keeping secret trusts and ripping off the taxpayers and working class people and those in need of our country ?
              Yeh – your Prime Sinister and your party listens to the people – but their ears are stuffed with lots of cotton and their priorities are a bit amiss.

              • Andrew says:

                You’ll find most MPs, on both sides of parliament are beneficiaries of private trusts.

                It’s quite a normal thing for people to do. There is no tax benefit in having them. They’re for protecting family assets in the event of insolvency or death.

              • Andrew says:

                BLAKE: The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

            • Why does an MP have to have a “small business background”? You might as well demand MPs have experience in astrology.

              Anyway, as for “trades”, Phil Twyford, Kris Faafoi, and Sue Moroney were journalists. Kelvin Davis and Carmel Sepuloni were teachers. Megan Woods was a Business Manager at Plant & Food Research. Clare Curran ruins her own PR business. Trevor Mallard ran a early childhood centre. Clayton Cosgrove was a business owner. Poto Williams has worked in the community/mental health sector. David Cunliffe worked as a business consultant with Boston Consulting Group.

              A fairly wide range, wouldn’t you think?

              David Parker’s resume is impressive;

              “He has been involved in many businesses, including innovative bio-tech export start-ups A2 Corporation, BLIS Technologies, Botryzen and Pharmazen, as well as in more traditional industries. He is an experienced CEO and company director.”

              Iain Lees-Galloway was a labourer and lab technician. Su’a William Sio ran a family fruit-ship business. Damien O’Connor was a farmer and involved in adventure tourism.

              By the way, speaking of never having a “real job”, would it really matter if a MP went from school to being elected a city councillor; then got a job as an electorate secretary for a MP, before winning a seat in Parliament? Would that make the person any less experienced? Would that put you off voting for that person?

              • Well, I guess Andrew can’t answer my simple question; would it really matter if a MP went from school to being elected a city councillor; then got a job as an electorate secretary for a MP, before winning a seat in Parliament? Would that make the person any less experienced? Would that put you off voting for that person?

            • By the way, Andrew, parrotting ultra-nationalistic/racist, Nigel Farrage will not help your cause one jot;

              “They are a bunch of ex civil servants and party hacks since their uni days. Most have only ever lived off the back of the taxpayer and I can’t think of one with a trades or small business background.” – Andrew

              “I know that virtually none of you have never done a proper job in your lives, or worked in business, or worked in trade, or indeed ever created a job.” – Nigel Farrage

              Ref: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-farage-shares-cosy-embrace-with-jean-claude-juncker/

        • Mike the Lefty says:

          ……..and an account in the Cayman Islands, plus a tongue that fits neatly into the soles of National Party boots.
          No sweat!

        • Words says:

          What booming economic environment Andrew?

          • Blake says:

            Exactly Andrew – what planet have you been living on ?
            Oh yeh – now I see – you are part of the ” rock star economy ” group of upper 1 % ers in denial and out of touch with the rest of the world.

    • AndyS says:

      Without wishing to join in the insults with the author of the piece, which would be disrespectful, I fully concur with your views that the left needs to re-evaluate its role in society.

      The traditional working class constituency are very disenfranchised with the political class

    • Mike the Lefty says:

      You really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t have a clue about Andrew – things like “real working people” – otherwise people might think you are a fool.

  9. CLEANGREEN says:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34763986

    TIME TO REFLECT ON WHAT WAS REQUESTED FROM CAMERON UK PM DURING THE LAST STOUSH WITH EU in 2015 before he called for the referendum.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34763986

    So what are the key demands?
    ◾sovereignty – an optout from “ever closer union” and more power for national parliaments
    ◾safeguarding the interests of those countries outside the eurozone and, in particular, protecting the City
    ◾migration – preventing the welfare system from being a magnet to EU migrants
    ◾less regulation – extending the single market and new trade deals

    So this is not radical stuff is it?

    One needs to ask Nicola Sturgeon of Scotland and the leader of Ireland WHY they never signalled their WISH/need to leave UK at this time???????

    We say it is not fair to now stab the voters in the back after a legitimate democratic vote to leave was enacted when the PM did not get those changes he requested now.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34763986

    ‘Brexit?’ Everything now at stake for Cameron

    Gavin Hewitt
    Chief correspondent

    9 November 2015

    From the section Europe
    comments

    David Cameron talks to European Council President Donald Tusk during the EU summit in Brussels, Belgium on 15 Oct 2015Image copyright AP

    David Cameron will spell out his stance in a letter to Donald Tusk

    The shadow boxing is over.

    On Tuesday, David Cameron will send a letter to Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council.

    It will set out the government’s ambitions for renegotiating its relationship with the EU.

    The letter will not reveal the minute detail of the government’s case.

    Rather, it will establish the broad themes framed in four or five policy baskets.

    The government wants to avoid declaring a wish list by which it can be judged.

    What it wants is to present the British people with a package deal after it has been agreed.

    But there will be no avoiding instant judgement calls.

    The Eurosceptics will question whether the government’s demands amount to the “negotiation for fundamental change” that David Cameron promised.

    The heckling of Mr Cameron at the CBI conference is just a foretaste of what is almost certain to be a tough, bruising referendum campaign.

    The prime minister conceded a vote to keep his party together. Now, that unity will be tested.

    The polls suggest a narrow majority for remaining in the EU, but they are close enough to indicate a real contest.

    Detailed negotiations begin

    So what is the timetable?

    Next week, the detailed negotiations will begin in Brussels. On the UK side, the team will be led by the British ambassador to the EU, Ivan Rogers.

    At the same time, the prime minister will embark on a diplomatic offensive to persuade 27 heads of government of the merits of the British case.

    The aim is to conclude negotiations in time for the European Council meeting on 17 December, when Europe’s leaders will deliver their verdict.

    In the event of a smooth summit, the government would like to hold the referendum in either June next year or in the autumn.

    Mr Cameron was given a rough ride by protesters at the CBI conference

    A government minister told me the plan was to move as fast as possible – partly to limit the impact of uncertainty on the economy.

    Few things in Brussels, however, are that straightforward. There is already speculation about British tactics.

    Some expect David Cameron to stage a fight to convince sceptics in his party he has wrung concessions from the EU leaders, and that, of course, could delay a deal until the spring.

    So what are the key demands?
    ◾sovereignty – an optout from “ever closer union” and more power for national parliaments
    ◾safeguarding the interests of those countries outside the eurozone and, in particular, protecting the City
    ◾migration – preventing the welfare system from being a magnet to EU migrants
    ◾less regulation – extending the single market and new trade deals

    Some of these demands can be more easily delivered than others.

    The EU Commission is already committed to less regulation.

    As regards “ever closer union”, last June the European Council described the words as “allowing for different paths of integration for different countries”.

    There is already a “yellow card” mechanism for national parliaments putting a brake on EU legislation, and that could be toughened up.

    Two-speed Europe

    Restricting benefits to EU migrants is a much tougher demand.

    It risks undermining the principle of free movement.

    It might, however, just be possible to introduce a residency test that would apply to British nationals and non-nationals alike.

    The government does have an overall vision of what it wants from its relationship with the EU.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel has expressed sympathy with the UK position

    It wants a two-speed Europe, a Europe that accepts there are multiple currencies with different layers of integration.

    There is a grand bargain on offer. The UK will not stand in the way of those who want to integrate further – but, in return, it wants its rights and interests protected.

    What the UK is looking for are binding principles embedded in EU law, which, at a later date, would be written into the EU treaties.

    What will the referendum question be?

    The question is always crucial in any referendum. The 2013 suggestion from the Conservatives was: “Do you think that the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union. Yes or no”.

    Some people thought this phrasing leaned too far towards the status quo – the current state of affairs – and the Electoral Commission, which has to approve the question, said it was not clear enough, and proposed: “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

    The final decision will be made by MPs, but Downing Street has accepted the amended wording.

    A guide to the UK’s planned in-out EU referendum

    Does the UK have allies?

    The Germans are broadly sympathetic.

    Only last week, Chancellor Angela Merkel said: “The Europe of today is no longer a one-speed Europe.”

    France is against anything that smacks of an a-la-carte Europe.

    Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are allies.

    The Central and Eastern European countries care deeply about freedom of movement. Belgium and Spain don’t want a retreat from “ever closer union”.

    Campaign themes

    So what will be the main themes of the campaign?

    The “out” campaign will offer to take back control “of our economy, our border and our democracy”.

    The “in” campaign will warn of endangering the economy, of investors staying away, of risks to sterling and the equity markets..

    So what would a Brexit look like?

    Unwinding the relationship with the EU would take time.

    A transitional relationship would have to be negotiated, securing access to the single market.

    Already, some US investment banks are warning there would be a run on the pound and less growth.

    Businesses would need to know what regulations they would be working with.

    What model would UK follow?

    Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will be watching closely for any political advantage

    We don’t know, but outside the EU there are four models: Norway, Switzerland, operating under World Trade Organisation rules, and a free trade agreement.

    David Cameron says: “Norway has no say in setting EU rules: it just has to implement its directives.”

    Switzerland took years to negotiate its trade deals with the EU. Operating under other rules would see tariffs.

    But those who want to leave the EU counter by saying the rest of the world would want to do business with the fifth largest economy on the planet.

    All of this will be argued over.

    A referendum is always unpredictable. It may turn on the popularity or unpopularity of the government.

    It may be held just at the moment the migrant crisis is deepening.

    It may well be that the voters don’t focus on the terms of the renegotiation but follow their gut instincts as to what they feel about Europe.

    Everything is at stake for David Cameron.

    It is presumed that he wants to stay in a reformed EU.

    If the vote went against him, it could spur another vote for Scottish independence, split his party and define his legacy.

  10. Dave says:

    This result is exactly why we need a strong government running the country, one not afraid to make decisions, not one run like a committee which is exactly what a labour/Green coalition would be, a committee. Ii dont mind if Labour win by a majority or National, but the majority has to be real and the party united.

    • This result is exactly why we need a strong government running the country

      Be careful what you wish for, Dave. Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, Franco’s Spain, Pinochet’s Chile, Gaddafi’s Libya, Amin’s Uganda, Nth Korea, Syria, et al, have/had “strong governments” – but I seriously doubt you’d want to live in one.

    • Mike the Lefty says:

      Absolutely we need a strong government. Not a government that toadies to international corporations, US expansionism and tax evaders, like this government does.

    • Blake says:

      Dave – a strong and ethical govt. is not what is running the show here.
      How can a strong govt. be led by such an unethical and serial lying leader ?
      They are a bunch of pro-corporate elitists who are out of touch with the people and just watch the people here slowly take back our country just as Brexit is beginning to do. The domino effect and the ” HUNDRETH MONKEY THEORY ” are growing and thats a good thing for the people worldwide.
      It is delusional to think that this present NZ govt. is by, for and about the people.

      The Bilderberg group and etc. dictate to most govts. so lets wake up and stop with the untruths and the nonsense and the fear mongering and media brainwashing. We still are many and they still are few.

    • Stuart Munro says:

      Weak people need strong leaders.

  11. WILD KATIPO says:

    Well its the old English ‘ stick it to them ‘ thing going on here…

    John Oliver mentioned it… its an old English tradition… a bit like the scene in the Eagle has Landed …a couple of rural English old timers saw a few Nazi paratroopers land and in the ensuing mayhem… one mutters… ‘bloody foreigners’…

    England has always been a bit that way… despite what ever economic or political climate.. they are an island nation… not quite Europe but tied to it.

    I cant blame them for voting as they did. And.. its their right to, no matter what the rest of us think. I find this interesting :

    ” The message from Brexit and Trump, Sanders and Corbyn is (ironically) the same: ignore working people at your peril. Wealth can only be concentrated for so long until popular backlash hits. High grade PR may delay but cannot avoid that reality.”

    These globalists… have been having a free run and glibly carrying on as if the rest of us didn’t exist.

    Their day of reckoning has come.

    It has been the height of arrogance of the elite, the 1% crowd to act as if the other several billion of us were to be treated as mere chattels, units to generate their incomes and their personal fiefdoms.

    That is an insult to those whose forbears came from the UK to escape that sort of rude class system.

    And in some ways… I can sympathize with the people who voted in a nationalistic mindset. And I might add we could jolly well do with a lot more nationalistic / patriotic attitude from our current neo liberal politicians. For one.. I am heartily sick and tired of their shorn off , runt like approach to what was our once great country.

    They have destroyed any semblance of the NZ we once held dear and turned it into a cesspit of greed, poverty and avarice. And I am not ashamed to say also that no – I do not want any more immigrants pouring into this country unchecked.

    It is sheer lunacy to expect that a country as small as ours can accept such an irresponsible and unbridled immigration policy as this govt has forced on us. Were we ever consulted?

    No.

    Were we ever listened to after 32 years of treasonous neo liberalism?

    No.

    I do not call myself Left nor do I call myself right. I just want a fair shake for our country. I am sick and tired of so many of these greedy, vain politicians raping our country and giving nothing back , privatizing what shouldn’t , ignoring the opinions of the electorates, passing legislation that harms family’s and the poor , the workers and the unemployed – and all for their personal ego and financial gains.

    So maybe I have a bit in common with the English voters… it could have been summed up by the phrase .. ‘ Enough is enough’.

  12. Helena says:

    Daily Telegraph UK says EU was a CIA project from the start. Question: why did it take the Telegraph so long to print the information.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/

  13. Farmer Guy Farmer Guy says:

    Yeah hi David Cunliffe.
    Brexit reminds me of Monty Python’s Black Barron. I’ve lost my industrial base, my Empire and will lose Scotland but I’m going to keep fighting even if it means weakening the main part left of the economy, the London Financial sector.

  14. Strypey says:

    George Orwell is no doubt turning in his grave at NewSpeak neologisms like “Brexit” and “IndyRef”. Such contractions get in the way of clear thinking, he maintained.

    “The conundrum is how to we fix it? This must been seen as a wake-up call by all who believe in progress and recognise the interpendance of the global system.”

    This is the critical question, and answers are being offered by a wide range of research groups like the New Economics Foundation and the Peer-to-Peer Foundation, and authors like Douglas Rushkoff writing books like ‘Life Inc.’ and ‘Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus’. We need to combine workplace democracy and economic independence *and* interdependence, and if representative states remain relevant, which I’m not convinced they are, they need to work in this way to create these outcomes.

  15. Kim dandy says:

    Oncewastim is right David :
    ‘Just as with water, these airwaves and this ‘ether’ is actually OURS. We’ve signed it all over to commercial interests to make money for a very few, without so much as a whimper.’

    The left needs a voice – presently it is ‘owned’ by the right.

  16. Stuart Munro says:

    Educated globalists eh – you know judging by their results I think they’re more dilettantes than technocrats.

    We need to rebuild an enlightened nationalism because the nation state is the unit of political accountability, and look what a pig’s breakfast globalists have made of it.

    Key is barely fit for prison, much less running a democracy. The people will support a government that works for them – read boule de suif – Flaubert knew the people. The rich have no country.

  17. Harry says:

    David Cunliffe, a member of the out of touch political elite, telling people what to think.

    Remind us, David, why you support putting people in prison for cannabis.

    • “Out of touch”?

      That seems a bit harsh, Harry.

      • Chooky says:

        well dare I say it ?…a bit out of touch when one considers the non cooperation by the NZ Labour Party with Mana and Hone Harawira in the last Election

        …that little bit of competition and shafting cost the Left coalition the Election

        • Words says:

          Hone shafted himself, and he knows it. Hone shouldn’t have partnered up with the politically toxic Dotcom. Maori were unhappy about that, and no party could have supported Mana with Dotcom in the mix.

          People need to support Hone by funding his campaign, so he doesn’t need to tie himself to politically toxic people or toxic political parties like the tory Maori party. After all, Hone has shown twice that he could win TTT without doing that. He has bridges to mend, and he needs money to do it.

          • phillip ure says:

            if hone had not pulled a power-play and demanded the reform cannabis laws multi-media ad-campaign that had been worked up by internet party be canned not used- he would now be sitting in parliament..

            ..to disprove my thesis you must get me to believe there are not more than 753 pot-smokers in an electorate stretching from north cape to west auckland…

            ..who would have put down the bong and gone and ticked the box marked internet/mana..

            ..to my mind that was the greatest self-inflicted wound/tactical-blunder by a politician in many a long year..

            ..and yes..all that other nasty shit went down..

            ..but had that ad-campaign run..it wouldn’t have mattered/stopped harawira/harre taking their place in parliament..

            ..thems’s the facts..

            • Words says:

              Well whatever the facts you think there are, there is one undeniable fact, and that is, it was Dotcom that kept Hone out of parliament.

              • phillip ure says:

                i don’t ‘think’ those facts…they are facts..

                ..harawira stopped the campaign…he lost by 734 (?) votes…

                and had that multi-media decriminalise cannabis campaign run….harawira wd only have needed 735 pot-smokers out of a constituency stretching from nth cape to bluff..

                ..to be now in parliament..

                ..what exactly are you finding difficult to understand about that..?

                ..it is quite simple really..

                ..which part(s) do you think i ‘think’..?

                ..which of those facts do you challenge..

                (i mean..apologies if i’ve screwed yr narrative..but facts is facts..)

                • phillip ure says:

                  ahem..!..correction..that ‘to bluff’ for the party vote..but of course west ak for the electorate-vote..

                • Words says:

                  Your narrative is a long stretch. Your so called facts are just your opinions that may not necessarily be correct.

                  You seem to have a problem with understanding a simple fact that Dotcom kept Hone out of parliament. Dotcom knew it and that’s why he apologized, and so does Hone, and he alluded to that when he announced he was running again next year. Hone is now trying to distance himself from that association. I like
                  Dotcom, but he was a politically toxic mistake, and feel that if Hone had of stood independently he would have retained his seat.

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        We can now see that Bilderberg/EU Commission/parliament coupled with the US all conspired to undermine and weaken all theatre’s of recent past decades of regional wars be it the “Arab Spring” or Yugoslavia USSR and finally Ukraine is now o n the march across Europe itself now with the recent failed Grexit and now the Brexit.

        Bilderberg is right inside this deep dark plot to further subjugate and overthrow governments to take over full control as is their long held policy as they march to the final goal of their one world government order.

        2016 Bilderberg Meeting Dresden, Germany 9-12 June
        Evil is at play here as was during the US/EU successful intervention to breakup of Yugoslavia and Ukraine.
        Bilderberg Group’s agenda to weaken the whole European construct and their Government’s so they can finally rule as the original Elitists planned in 1942.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0WeURiShfU

        This is why several countries/ provinces/states will also vote to exit the monster now called the EU due to their wish to now seek their own control and sovereignty again even those still outside the EU.
        The EU and Elitists in The Bilderberg Group affiliated to the EU Commission and European Council have all demonstrated they are engaged in and are run by dark forces under the banner of “the European Commission and & Parliament who clearly have these elements within it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384sCGM-wSU that frequently attend The Bilderberg Group Elitists global conferences.
        As recently as the one held in Dresden Germany, 9-12th June 2016 that we have discovered from the list of participants top heads of the and that one of the reasons why it is always held in secret.

        TO SAVE THE UK;
        NZ/Australia/Canada should now declare its intention to request another commonwealth alliance with the UK.

        This may help save the UK before it breaks apart as this action may change Scotland and Northern Ireland from seeking separation from the Commonwealth via UK separation.

        If the Bilderberg Group Elitist’s are not shut down from succeeding to break up the UK and go on to break up all other strong Countries they will rule eventually with impunity another Corporate giant monster.

      • Harry says:

        No, Frank, it isn’t. Example: the Daktory was in his electorate and he never visited it. Not once. You may recall, during the last election campaign, Cunliffe arrogantly and dismissively shut down debate on changing the law on cannabis. That makes him a paid-up member of the out of touch club.

        • Words says:

          Rubbish. You need to get real about politics and timing Harry. Given the conservative views the majority of Kiwis have, my god man, can you imagine the field day the vicious msm would have had if Cunliffe had of done that? and it didn’t have anything to do with arrogance or being dismissive. It’s only recently that more and more kiwis began to support medical cannabis.

          • Harry says:

            So all those polls showing over 70% support for cannabis law reform mean nothing – obviously they meant nothing to prohibitionist Cunliffe. But don’t let that stop you being a fanboy.

  18. phillip ure says:

    that seems to be a solid raft of policies..mr cunnliffe..

    ..my eyes perked up/eyebrows lifted @ the reference to social welfare..

    ..’cos correct me if i’m wrong..but wasn’t labour party policy @ the last election to do the same as the tories re welfare..?

    ..namely..to continue what labour and national have done for the previous 47 years..to only raise it by the rate of inflation..?..(47 yrs..eh..?…that’s a long time between drinks in anyones’ terms..eh..?..consider how much the cost of everything has gone up in the last 47 yrs…then weep for the poor.)

    ..could you talk us thru what has changed since then..

    ..and perhaps more importantly..by how much…?..(as in dollar terms..)

    • Words says:

      No, it wasn’t Labour party policy @ the last election to do the same as the tories re welfare.

      Would have thought details re policies and costings if relevant, shouldn’t be disclosed until election time for various and obvious reasons.

      How come people never call for National to show the money or provide detailed costings of it’s “punitive reforms” that National hide and do not campaign on.

      • phillip ure says:

        factcheck:..they kept it quiet for as long as possible – but in the week before the election david cunnliffe – under questioning from john campbell – admitted that labour would only be raising benefits by the rate of inflation..(i remember the moment well..my dismay was palpable..)

        ..to his credit – he seems not to have enjoyed it..

        ..should you doubt me i am sure the campbell show archives from that time will clarify that for you..

        ..and as a – by the way – words – i don’t make shit up..eh..?

        • Words says:

          If true, I have to say, so what? at least he was prepared to do something, and if memory serves there were other policies in line to help people in need, and given that welfare is a toxic topic at the best of times, with the Nats, it’s media friends, and supporters at the ready to viciously attack and bene bash at every opportunity, I can understand why Cunliffe, who was already under siege, had to be cautious and say as little as possible.

          You will have to provide the link to the John Campbell segment, details are too vague, and the search would take up way too much time. You seem to have a better idea about it, so it would be easier if you found the link please?

          • phillip ure says:

            seeing as you are a serious fanboy/girl why don’t u ask david cunnliffe..

            ..and the reality of why he had to do that is because the neoliberals/rightwing within labour had control of the election-budget promises…(we’re looking @ you..david parker..)

            ..and as you ‘rember’ these other policies to help the poorest..

            ..could you list just one of these ‘remembered’ policies..?

            details to vague..?..campbell show..in week before last election..appearance by cunnliffe..

            ..(that’s all the hand-holding you’ll get from me..)

            ..and ‘if that’s true’..?…get fecked..!..don’t call me a bloody liar..anonymous commenter..i use my own name and will stand behind everything i say..

            ..whereas you..?

            ..how are you going with that ‘memory’..?

            ..just one of them will do..

            • Words says:

              I never called you a “bloody liar” so in other words you are just all mouth and you can’t back yourself up. Why don’t you post the link if you know it? Why should I do your homework for you? You are the one on a senseless and pointless time wasting attack Philip, what you are banging on about is completely irrelevant to what is happening now under John key, you can always contact Mr Cunliffe yourself if it is so important to you.. And it wasn’t just the self interested faction within Labour that Cunliffe had to contend with, it was thee most vicious onslaughts from the msm as well, and it was the worst msm hatefest I have ever seen. All credit to David Cunliffe that he is still standing, and is still doing a great job. A far lesser person like John key, would have just withered away.

              Nothing wrong in using a pseudonym, look around you, most people on blog sites do, and it shows you don’t have much of an argument when you try and wield that as a weapon. That’s was feeble and pathetic of you to do so. I stand behind what I say too, and it doesn’t matter one bit that I use a pseudonym.

              I so easily found a list for you.

              Labour Policy vs National Policy

              By Martyn Bradbury / August 28, 2014

              https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/28/labour-policy-vs-national-policy/

  19. Blake says:

    The US and NZ ( etc. ) should consider getting out of the UN as soon as possible.

    Many lessons to learn from Brexit.

    http://allnewspipeline.com/Brexit_Lesson_For_The_US.php

  20. Words says:

    Another excellent article there Mr Cunliffe, thank you.

  21. That nationalist party in New Zealand would be New Zealand First. The only party in Parliament whose principles from the outset and first and foremost say “To put New Zealand and New Zealanders first”.

    New Zealand First is pro-Brexit without any of the rampant xenophobia accompanying the U.K.I.P., Trump or the European far right parties. That is why I am a member.

    • phillip ure says:

      ‘…New Zealand First is pro-Brexit without any of the rampant xenophobia accompanying the U.K.I.P., Trump or the European far right parties..’

      whoar..!..are you trying to tell us that nz first members embrace feminism/green politics/multiculturalism/immigration..?

      ..hilarious..!

  22. Dave says:

    In 3 months time no one will give a flying fuck about Brexit . Jacinda Ardern will be the Labour leader so they will have a chance come election time, Andrew who? looking forward to it.

    • Words says:

      What a load of rubbish Dave. Andrew Little that’s who, and he will still be Labour’s leader. You should be more concerned about your tanking National government and the infighting on who will replace John key. And you won’t get a say in it either.

  23. Dave says:

    Angry Andrew, or is that Adam Ant cant even be bothered to have a shave before appearing on TV. Jacinda on the other hand looks quite stately. I think she would do ok as leader. Compare her with Helen or Jen.

  24. phillip ure says:

    looking at yr 2.04 pm comment i realised i cd spend half my day correcting you..you just make shit up on the hoof..

    ..so i will now respectfully disengage..

    ..someone else can take up the task..if they can be bothered..

    ..i’ll just file you over with cleangreen…

    ..have you two met..?..i can see you getting on like a house on fire..

    ..you should reach out to each other..

    ..maybe hook up..?

    • Words says:

      Making shit up is your department Philip. Get over yourself, you’re being rude and pathetic.

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