State houses – “wrong place, wrong size”?



1949 state house in Taita


Information released under the Official Information Act (OIA) suggests that National’s oft-repeated claim that around “one third” ( or 22,000)  of  state houses are in the “wrong place and wrong size” is not supported by Housing NZ’s own figures.

Various ministers, including our esteemed Dear Leader,  have indicated that up to “a third” of state houses are “in the wrong place or wrong size (or ‘type’)“.

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The “wrong size/wrong place” claim is the argument being used by National to advance a major sell-off of Housing NZ properties.

On 1 November, 2014, Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett said on TV3’s ‘The Nation’,

“It’s about being smart in what we’re doing. So you just look at us having the wrong houses, in the wrong place, of the wrong size..”

On 2 December, 2014, the Minister responsible for Housing NZ, Bill English expressed his agreement with the proposition of one third of Housing NZ homes being in the “wrong size/wrong place” ;

“Yes. As recently as just last month Housing New Zealand issued a press release that said: ‘around one third of our housing stock is in the wrong place, wrong configuration or is mismatched with future demand’.


… in fact, a third of them are the wrong size, in the wrong place, and in poor condition.”

On 28 January this year, John Key announced in his “state of the nation” speech;

 “Around a third of Housing New Zealand properties are in the wrong place, or are the wrong type to meet existing and future demand.”

Housing NZ currently  “manages 67,245 homes” (as at 30 June 2015). When Key, and other National ministers refer to “around a third of Housing NZ properties”, simple arithmetic translates that fraction into 22,190 homes being the “wrong size/wrong place” .

On 17 September I lodged OIA requests to Ministers Nick Smith, Paula Bennet, and Bill English. Only English was prepared to answer – and even that took  42 days (30 working days) to eventuate after a reminder was emailed to the Minister’s office.

In a response eventually received on  29 October,  information in the form of a  chart -“Stock reconciliation taking into account impaired properties as at 31 January 2013” – was attached;


minister english oia response 29 october 2015 - HNZ housing stock - wrong place wrong size


In two columns headed “Right Place, wrong home” and “Wrong Place“, the respective figures add up to 13,560. This constitutes a little over half of the “22,000” that is being bandied about by National.

I  specifically asked Bill English;  “How many [state houses] are the “wrong size and in what manner are they the “wrong size“? “Do they have too many rooms; too few rooms?

English replied;

“In general terms, Housing New Zealand has a shortage of smaller two bedroom homes and
larger family homes and a surplus of three bedroom homes, with the exception of Auckland
where there is a demand for homes of all sizes. The type or configuration of particular
properties may also affect demand making them difficult to let.”

English totally ignored the direct question “How many [state houses] are the “wrong size“. He either does not know, or is unwilling to admit the number. “In General terms” is not a specific quantity.

Furthermore, English says that “Housing New Zealand has a shortage of smaller two bedroom homes and larger family homes and a surplus of three bedroom homes, with the exception of Auckland where there is a demand for homes of all sizes.”

Unsurprisingly, the 2014/15 Housing NZ Annual Report confirms the high demand for housing in Auckland;

“Across the country we also have too many three-
bedroom properties, while demand has grown for smaller
one- or two-bedroom homes or for much bigger homes.
Demand for homes in the Auckland region is high and
more Housing New Zealand homes are needed.” (p22)

Yet, the chart referred above (“Stock reconciliation taking into account impaired properties as at 31 January 2013“) states that there are 8,180 houses in the Auckland region that are supposedly “Right Place, wrong home”  and a further 420 that are in the “Wrong Place” – 8,600 in total.

This would appear to contradict the Minister’s assertion that “there is a demand for homes of all sizes” throughout Auckland.  Both cannot be right.

This contradiction is further compounded by the fact that, as of 30 June, there were 2,267 people on the waiting list in the Auckland City area;


auckland city housing nz waiting list 30 june 2015.

Even where houses have been the wrong size, Housing NZ has been undertaking a programme to add extensions, or entire new, smaller dwellings on larger sections;

Overcrowding is an issue that affects many of our
tenants’ health and wellbeing, especially in Auckland,
where there is high demand for larger homes. Our
bedroom extensions programme is helping to meet
demand from the social housing register in Auckland
by converting three-bedroom homes into four- and
five-bedroom homes. Adding an extra one or two
bedrooms (and another bathroom where necessary)
means more of our tenants are living in appropriately
sized and healthier homes. During 2014/15 we
completed bedroom extensions to 247 homes.

Our existing land in Auckland will also house more small
families, couples and single people in need. We are
building new two-bedroom homes on Auckland sections
that are big enough to have another dwelling. During
2014/15 we built an additional 107 two-bedroom units
on existing Housing New Zealand sections, which also
included making improvements to the existing homes
where these were required.“(p23)

If we substract the 8,600 homes in the Auckland region, from Housing NZ’s original estimate of 13,560 (see above chart), this leaves 4,960 houses “wrong place/wrong size”.

Nearly five thousand homes supposedly in the “wrong place/wrong size” category in Auckland – and there are still 2,267 people on Housing NZ’s waiting list in Auckland City. How is that feasible?

I further enquired from English; “Could you please explain what the term “wrong size, in the wrong place” actually refers to? Where are they situated that are considered the “wrong place“?”

English replied;

In 2011 Housing NZ carried out an assessment of it’s future projected stock
requirements for the purpose of forward planning, based on its future use of intention of its
properties and informed by demand forecasting. This assessment was not intended to reflect
current demand at a point in time…


The analysis identifies some properties as being the wrong home, not specifically the wrong

It is worthwhile noting English’s comment that “Housing NZ carried out an assessment of it’s future projected stock  requirements for the purpose of forward planning,  [but] this assessment was not intended to reflect current demand at a point in time”.

The apparent purpose? According to English’s 29 October statement to me;

This relates to the number of bedrooms that a property has and also includes
properties that are wrongly configured to meet demand for social housing.

“Social housing” is National’s code for private providers.

The 2011 Housing NZ  assessment of it’s “future projected stock” appears to have been designed to meet the needs of “social housing”, aka private providers.

In respect to answering my question “Where are they situated that are considered the “wrong place”?”, English’s response was vague and lacked any informative value (as did many of his answers);

“A property being in the wrong place refers to the location of the property in relation
to demand. On a regional basis, there are areas of general low demand. However, some of
Housing New Zealand’s properties may be in locations with high concentrations of state
housing or existing social issues that may contribute to them being difficult to let or
result in a high turnover of tenants.”

There were no geographical locations; no cities or towns; no suburbs given. The statement in itself is meaningless twaddle with a vague reference to “some of  Housing New Zealand’s properties may be in locations with high concentrations of state housing or existing social issues”.

Where these “wrong places” might be is anyone’s guess.

My follow-up question – “How many areas have been designated “wrong places”?” – was ignored entirely.

In an effort to drill down and assess where houses might be in the “wrong place”, I asked English; “where houses are in a particular “wrong place”, how many people are on HNZ waiting lists in those same “wrong places”?

The purpose of this question was straight-forward. Where demand for housing is high in a given region, it seems inconceivable that any properties in that same region would be in the “wrong place”. Auckland being a prime example.

I wanted to know how many other regions had high numbers on their waiting lists – whilst also having houses in the “wrong place”.

According to the above chart, the following regions designated as having houses in the “wrong places” have the following numbers of houses attached to them;

Auckland: 420

South Island: 740

Central North Island: 870

Lower North Island: 1,740

“Community Group Housing”: 100

Total: 3,870

Because of the (deliberate?) vagueness of English’s response, we have no way of knowing where, for example, the South Island’s supposed 740 houses are located in the “wrong place”.

It is difficult to understand why the Minister could not be more precise.

If the “wrong size/wrong place” issue is real, then National must have hard data, with supporting numbers, identifying where state houses are located  in the “wrong place”. This information should be on-file; readily accessible; and easily released to interested parties.  Then again, my OIA lodgement to Minister English took 30 working days (including one “request” for an extension) to complete.

Perhaps such data does not exist.

According to Housing NZ itself, every district within it’s authority has people on their waiting list;


Housing NZ waiting list - by region - by bedrooms needed




There is no district recording zero-need.

I asked English; “What replacement houses are being built to replace those that are the “wrong size”, and how many rooms will they have? More? Less?” andWhere Housing NZ houses are in the “wrong place” – will new State houses be built in exactly the same place?”.

The Minister responded;

Housing New Zealand’s Asset Management Strategy provides for the redevelopment of its
land holdings in order to align the typology, location and size of its portfolio with demand.
As a result, it is building more two, four and five bedroom properties. Where there is low
demand, Housing New Zealand will look to sell surplus properties and reinvest the proceeds
into providing homes in areas of high demand.

As outlined above, Housing NZ has a current programme of adding bedrooms to existing three bedroomed houses, and, where the land is big enough, adding two bedroom houses onto an existing built-up section.

English’s reference to selling “surplus properties” is troubling, as we are still none-the-wiser where such properties exist. Especially when all Housing NZ districts have people on waiting lists.

As for English’s assertion that “Housing New Zealand will look to sell surplus properties and reinvest the proceeds  into providing homes in areas of high demand” – Paula Bennett was not willing to give that assurance on 1 November last year, speaking on Q+A.

Which leads on to the last question I put to the Minister; “If HNZ houses that are in the “wrong place” are sold/given away to community organisations – what will make those houses suddenly become in the “right place”?”

Because if it’s in the “wrong place” when owned by Housing NZ – why would it suddenly be in the “right place” owned by someone else?

The Minister’s response was baffling;

The Government has no plans to offer Housing New Zealand properties that have been
identified as being in the ‘wrong place’ to community housing providers. In Tauranga and
Invercargill for example, the areas identified for initial potential transfers of social
housing properties from Housing New Zealand to community housing providers, MSD’s purchasing
intentions anticipate stable demand. Following a transfer, any new provider would receive
both the properties and a contract with MSD to continue to provide social housing.”

That statement appears to be at complete variance with this undated Beehive document, headed “Social Housing Reform Programme – Media Qs and As“;


“Around one third of the $18.7 billion Housing New Zealand portfolio is in
the wrong place or of the wrong type to meet this need.”


“To help community housing providers grow, there will be sales of
Housing New Zealand properties and we will involve these providers
in the redevelopment of Crown land…”


“Details will be determined after national engagement, including
with community housing providers and iwi,over coming months.
Providing we can achieve better services for tenants and fair
and reasonable value for taxpayers, we will look to sell
between 1,000 and 2,000 Housing New Zealand properties over
the next year.”


“15. Will properties being sold be tenanted, and if so what
happens to the tenants?

In most cases where houses transfer to a community housing
provider, the properties will have tenants. The new owners
will continue providing social housing with the income-
related rent subsidy.”


“Look at selling between 1,000 and 2,000 Housing New Zealand
properties for continued use as social housing, run by approved
community housing providers. These providers might buy
properties on their own or go into partnership with other
organisations lending them money, contributing equity, or
providing other services.”

The document specifically refers to the sale of state housing, that are “the wrong place or of the wrong type“,  to community service providers.

And in Parliament, on 24 March, Bill English himself made reference to the sale of “wrong place” Housing NZ properties to Community providers;

“In the first place, Housing New Zealand has an ongoing sales
policy, and often it is selling houses that we do not need or
that are in the wrong place, or some of them have just become
unsuitable to be lived in and cannot be upgraded at reasonable
cost. In respect of the transactions that are coming up over
the next 6 months or so, there is a process of testing what
the real values of those houses are. For instance, many
community providers believe those houses are not up to date
on maintenance, and therefore are overvalued when they are
valued as if they can be sold for the best price on the day
in the location that they are in. Those are exactly the things
we are having discussions about over the next few months.”


“Neither property developers nor community housing providers
are compelled to buy houses off the Government. If they do
not want to do that—if they do not want to manage the tenants
or own the stock, which may be the wrong size in the wrong
place—then they certainly do not have to do that.”

Which creates doubt over English’s assertion that  “the Government has no plans to offer Housing New Zealand properties that have been
identified as being in the ‘wrong place’ to community housing providers”.

So if Housing NZ properties that are in the “wrong place” are sold to community housing providers – as confirmed by Minister English on at least two occassions – what will transform those “wrong place” houses into “right place” houses?

Very little of National’s “wrong size/wrong place” proposition makes sense – unless viewed through the lens of raising revenue by way of partial asset-sales.

That is the only thing that makes any sense of this issue.

The only reason that the “wrong size/wrong place” meme has worked for National thus far is that very few (if anyone) has delved behind the phrase to check it’s validity.

Perhaps it is time this issue was scrutinised more carefully?

The apparent fudging of Bill English’s response to my OIA request, in itself, speaks volumes.


On 29 October, I wrote to Bill English expressing my dissatisfaction with his response to my OIA lodgement;

from: Frank Macskasy <>
to: “B English (MIN)” <>
date: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:01 PM
subject: Re: State houses – wrong place, wrong size

Thank you for your letter dated 29 October.

I refer you to two questions which you have not answered in my OIA request;

4. Where are they situated that are considered the “wrong place”?

5. How many areas have been designated “wrong places”?

Please advise if you do not intend to answer those questions, and I will lodge a formal complaint with the Office of the OImbudsman.


-Frank Macskasy


In 2014/15 Housing NZ “returned” $321 million to the government’s Consolidated Fund. This comprised of $118 million in tax; $96 million in interest costs, and $107 million as a dividend. (2014/15 Annual Report, p24)





TV3: The Nation – Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett

Parliament: 6. State Housing—Suitability of Housing Stock

Fairfax media: John Key Speech – Next steps in social housing

Housing NZ: 2014/15 Annual Report

Housing NZ: Register by priority and Auckland local board – 30 June 2015 Social Housing Reform Programme – Media Qs and As

Parliament Today: Social Housing Reform — Objectives

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  1. This bunch of neoliberal sycophants with their ludicrous assertions about state houses reminds me of the scene in Amadeus, where the king’s nincompoops have advised him that Mozart’s music in this instance has ” too many notes ” ! It’s enough to make you tear your hair out.
    Meanwhile Shonkey has swanned off for the rugby world cup final on the tax payer tab.

  2. Another incredibly well researched, in-depth article Frank. Your investigative journalistic skills put mainstream “journalists” to shame.

    Thank you for bringing to light this very important issue about State houses and the vulnerable people who occupy them and who are on waiting lists for State housing tenancies.

  3. As if selling them off to private sector will somehow suddenly make them “the right size, in the right place.”

  4. I wonder if “wrong place” in neoliberal terms, rather than referring to the needs of tenants, instead refers to to property prices and the extreme profits to be made as well as creating affluent communities that do not have poor people in them.

  5. It’s another State Asset Sell down pure and simple, they need to find cash to service the $106 Billion in borrowings and to pay the interest bill owing to offshore banks?

    I wish the neo-liberals would grow the economy rather than Asset Stripping It?

  6. “It is difficult to understand why the Minister could not be more precise.”
    Er… Not really. This govt has a vested interest in keeping us in th dark, the better to carry out its planned sell-off of state housing, along with anything else it can lay its hands on.

  7. As National make so many contradictory and confusing statements about housing needs, one could assume that they are simply making it up as they go.

    • Mike, that is one possibility. The other is that their strategists are “making it up” to justify a mass sell-off of state housing. It’s telling that National ministers and MPs keep referring to “a third” of State houses being in the “wrong place/wrong size”, yet HNZ’s own figures are only half that.

      And once Auckland’s “wrong place/wrong size” houses are factored in, HNZ’s figures drop even further.

      English’s lack of actual figures suggests that the whole “wrong place/wrong size” rhetoric is little more than a snow job.

  8. Well researched Frank.

    I think you’ve sussed it perfectly, in that the “wrong size, wrong place’ meme works only when the property is owned by HNZ, but is miraculously in the right place/right size when sold of.

    You’ve singlehandedly unmasked National’s rort on the sell off of HNZ houses!

  9. The only thing “wrong” is the nasty bastards responsible for their allocation and maintennance.

    And the filthy lies they tell…

    Maggottry rather than governance… 🙁

    • But we are people like @ Frank Macskasy. I don’t mean exactly like @ Frank . I doubt anybody could be exactly like @ Fabulous Frank Macskasy if I have to be honest ; – )
      But we are birds of a feather and as such, a resource .

      Now, what might happen if we all gathered, as birds of similar plumage do. Imagine the shit we could drop on jonky?

      Is there a jeremy corbyn out there someone asked?

      What do David Shearer, David Cunliffe and Andrew Little have in common?

      Are we sure they’re not the same person? I mean, they can do amazing things with make up these days . 3 D holographic mirages of Mr Wishy, Mr Washy and Mr Half Spanish White ? I can see that happening .

      That’s what they all have in common.

      They’re boring. They’re more boring than three boring things winning the prize for most boring on international Boredom Day. An hour with any of them could see me so sedated you could cut me in half with a fucking chain saw and I’d sleep through the whole thing.
      And one more thing ? What does Andrew Little actually do ? Seriously? What . Does . He . Do ? In his ( Our ) office in the ugliest building in the southern hemisphere ? Does the Beehive look more like a shit in need of fibre ?
      I digress .
      What does Andrew Little actually, really , ya now… Do ?
      He’s the one whom we hoped would do a Corbyn
      and kick jonky’s short arse. But no.
      After all the shit that’s gone down with jonky ? The lies, the bullying, the intimidations, the flag-change treasonous waste of the $ 28 million dollars to prepare us for the pre Zionist take over is, the continuation of him selling off our stuff to foreigners using spurious laws to line his mates pockets … we all know I could go on.
      But what the fuck does Andrew Little actually do ? Look deeply concerned while on his way from where he was to where he’s going? Why? Why is he always going from one place to another only to be cornered by the MSM ? And we all know that they keep a weather eye on any political shenanigans and dodgy goings on, on behalf of Us . Hahahahahahahahahaa a a ha !

      David Shearer was the same vaporous wisp of a fellow. He’d only come out at election time to narrow his beady eyes and look deeply concerned… then he’d lose and disappear for another three years. On six figures plus entitlements . It’s as if jonky’s doing his best to keep our attention focused on him so they can get away with doing fuck all !

      And I have to say, watching jonky leap about squeaking like a church mouse, bedazzling and beguiling as he peeled david cunliffe like a grape in front of those few hardy souls who could keep their dinner down while watching that fiasco leading into the interminable rounds of puff that was the Leaders Debates of the last election? It was, if nothing else, entertaining and proof that Hawaii still has very good cocaine and diplomatic immunity is alive and well between our fair nations, under God.

      While jonky’s patting All Black bottom and drinking like a boss, label out did you notice , and traveling to London and flying here and there and being Obamas bitch caddy and talking to the Queen and everything … what are our mainly beige, lite Left brigade doing ? Nothing is what . Not one fucking thing. No wit , no humour no eccentricities , no life , no spirit . A bloodless collection of cadavers trying to eat each other and even then can hardly be bothered with the effort.
      While we pray for a lucky dip of a person that might be a Corbyn, and even he has yet to be tried by fire, our lite , half white , cautious, fluro vest Left try to out whisper each other over a shandy mid way through a wet Sunday afternoon of binge watching Coronation Street re runs.
      You know what ! I prefer jonky. At least I hate the bastard with teeth gritting fury which makes him vaguely interesting to me. I imagine many and creative ways for him to not be mind you. First politician to be launched into space by rubber band ? Eaten by hybrid carnivore cows ? Explosives packed butt plug ? Met Steven Seagal , whispered “ How tantalising “ tugged pony tail ? Stood on Peter Dinklage to get a better look down QE2’s cleavage while Peter Dinklage was in costume on Game of Thrones ?

      You know what I think it is ? The two davids and the one andrew do nothing because they don’t have to. They just sit back , check their accounts and watch the show .

      It’s OUR job to change that. Not some mythical Corbyn fairy that just might, one day come and kiss us all out of our black, poisoned sleep.
      So, fuck jonky. Lets focus on those who should be chasing him down like the rat he is and start asking why that’s not thus far happened?

      I forgot to mention housing. Lets populate our Shit Shape parliament buildings with the many homeless people to be found in Wellington and pop our politicians in a cold state house in Aranui for the winter. You’d see improvements in state housing take effect faster than you could say David, David no, wait ? Andrew. Pffft.

  10. Congrats, Frank. Good piece. Well researched and written up. Why aren’t our supposed journos doing this? Oh right. Rugby, flags, kittens up trees.
    Shows though if the government repeats a piece of nonsense often enough (one third; wrong size; wrong place) then it becomes a fact regardless of its objective truth.

  11. Well done, Frank, you are doing work the crap MSM should be doing, but we know what they are “interested” in, do we not?

    I watched TVNZ’s Q+A on Sunday morning, and that one moderator of the program, was it Greg Boyd, he did not even know your name and who you are, when reading a comment you sent in.

    That proved to me, they are so ignorant and arrogant at the same time, the many media personalities we have in the MSM, they are totally out of touch with what really goes on. They do not seem to be reading this blog for a start.

    So most continue to live in “blissful ignorance” under our “Great Leader Kim John Key”.

    What does it matter that the government ministers keep lying day in and out, they sound so convincing, repeating lies a thousand times, so almost everybody out there starts taking the lies for facts. That is perfected propaganda, and with a neutralised, useless MSM, the dictatorship we do in defacto have, does not need to resort much to police and soldiers, to contain the population.

    Just keep feeding them more trash and blinding misinformation, more lies and manipulation, and give them a bit of lollies for entertainment here and there, and the show keeps running like a smooth operation.

    Paul Henry, Mike Hosking and others do the rest of the job. They will be knighted one day, just as Richie McCaw will be soon, for being on the photo ops with our Leader, in convenient times.

    Welcome to the Brighter Future of Eternal Lies and Deceit.

    • Most sleepy hobbit kiwis don’t realise they’re being treated as mushrooms!? Being fed bullshit to make them grow and stay happy.

  12. So English couldn’t reply to your questions, Eh, Frank. Like you said, that speaks volumes about the dodyness of the state house sell-off.

    How can houses be in the wrong place when thousands are on a waiting list wanting to live in those areas?????

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