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  1. “The West continually managed to fuck up a clusterfuck that was already fucked.” What a great line Martyn.

    1. Agree Green Bus and Martyn.
      How to get one’s head around this happening that cannot be encircled in some excessive adjective?
      The mind goes to Dr Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Perhaps a review from the New Yorker could provide an introduction to the real adventures of the USA in the Middle East.
      https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/almost-everything-in-dr-strangelove-was-true

      Or perhaps one could take a break from trying to apply intelligence and understanding to these arcane imperious adventures and just watch fun adventure films like Romancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile.

  2. Ahh there it is Frankie, only you alone can turn this into Jacinda thing. Now scuttle off back to Kiwiblog with you.

  3. We learned that propaganda works.

    We learned the absolute bullshit narrative that defied the laws of physics and chemistry put out by the powers that be (and repeated over and over again) was believed by the ignorant masses. And in many cases that ridiculous narrative is still believed.

    1. And many journalists are afraid to write about what happened in-spite of the enormous and growing mountain of expert evidence now freely available..
      Have they been warned off or just compliant.

    1. I”ll say this about you, at least you’ve consistent Frankie. And of Key, by your own admission ” he started it”. My beef is he started a lot of where we are now.

  4. Not many people learn from History. I know a school where a History teacher was standing with a group of teachers in school the first day after the event. All were rather shocked. He said, ‘Yes, and a lot of people are going to die now.”
    The others went silent in surprise. He added, “And they will probably be the wrong ones.”
    Given hindsight, how well did he do?

  5. About these wars – yes indeed, when the US throws a tantrum, watch out world. But for heavens sake, don’t join in. So much of it is about lashing out aimlessly because of not only grief but a bruised national ego.

  6. When September 11 happened for the first tower you thought it was an accident. When the 2nd plane hit, you knew it was a terror attack.

    At the time, I remember thinking, I just hope this was a domestic terrorist and not an international terrorist, because you knew life was going to change and revenge extracted if it was an international terrorist.

    As for the US, my memory is different. Bush did not want to go into Afghanistan and tried to get the Taliban to give up Mullar Omar. My memory is that Bush and others were reluctant to go in, because Afghanistan is an extremely difficult place to invade and the Russians had tried and failed (ironically the US helped the Taliban to defeat the Russians).

    Faced with losing face if the US did nothing, and pushed by Rumsfeld and Cheney, the US went in, and appeared to gain an easy but ultimately false victory in Afghanistan, which pushed them to use that to make a bogus case for war in Iraq. The rest is history, trillions of dollars, corruption and division within the west, terror attacks across the west, while the non democratic countries took their advantage from the distraction. Last month the Taliban were able to take back Afghanistan within days, making the US and their allies look like fools who pursued a fool’s war.

      1. Partly for the oil and perceived economic reasons and partly because Rumsfeld and Cheney gave Suddam Hussain arms, precursor chemical weapons and money to arm Iraq against Iran, but Suddam Hussain wouldn’t do what they told him, thus needed to be replaced.

        The good news is with solar and other power the US probably doesn’t have to worry as much about where their next oil barrel is coming from.

        The US might have an appalling history of meddling in other countries and it going wrong, but what is the alternative type of government for superpower? Most people would still prefer to live in the US, than China or Russia.

        ironically it is internal disruption that will be the US downfall, aka the rise of the white woke desperate for white decline at all costs, and the rise of the puppet, celebrity politician who isn’t very capable of understanding policy and government policy makers are not that smart anymore, but self interested.

        Cancel culture isn’t that good at looking at replacement governments and pros and cons, they just want to destroy what they have. At the same time, policy is influenced by individuals for business, not for the good of people. (Xi has already removed this threat to himself by taking over billionaire businesses and disappearing the founders).

        Time to peddle back all the woke policy, destroying from the inside. They might have some critique right, but their remedy and future under them, is bonkers.

  7. Our hard right and Blairite Govts have learned to hone “shock docterine ,,,, where they use disasters , terror attacks , covid etc ,,,,to push through laws and actions that they would normally not get away with.

    “The Shock Doctrine: How Vulnerability and Fear Allows the Government to Control Its People”.

    And we should not lose sight of the fact the “Austerity” which starves funds to things like our public health sector,,,, resulting in dangerous and disgracefully low number of ICU beds etc .,,,

    ,,,,,,,,,,,This Austerity is artificial and generated by right wing Governments like our last National one ,,,, Passing ‘loophole laws’,,,, that enable tax havens,,, where the ultra rich and corporations opt out of paying their share .,,,

    And then the righties claim TINA ,,, there is no alternative ,,,, we must cut funding for ever thing apart from war ,,,,

    The only socialist spending they ever support ,,, is money for the military ,,, and ‘private sector’.

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    “Imagine if the world’s deadliest terrorist group got their hands on drones and cruise missiles and nuclear warheads and aircraft carriers and circled the planet with hundreds of military bases and began waging wars and destroying any country which disobeyed their dictates.” — Usa Usa

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    “Modern gods are corporations and banks, faceless inhuman entities whose agendas of growth and conquest supercede even the wishes of their own executives. Our gods are insatiable devourers controlled by no one. Our gods have no heads.

    At a time when our species is hurtling toward its own demise we ought to be coming together and working in unison to avert disaster, and it says so much about the power of propaganda that we are instead doing the exact opposite.

    All of humanity’s problems are ultimately due to a misperception of the way things are.

    Propaganda causes us to misperceive reality in a way that benefits establishment power structures, so we don’t rise up and use the power of our numbers to put an end to the ecocidal, omnicidal status quo which oppresses and exploits us.” https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/09/09/the-worlds-deadliest-terrorist-group-notes-from-the-edge-of-the-narrative-matrix/

    1. Maybe it was because of all the contracts that were in place to provide munitions and paramilitary support intended for Afghanistan. With that scene being apparently over too soon they had to invent another one. Hence Iraq?

  8. We learned there are more irrational konspiracy freaks out there than we ever thought possible – and then Q arrived and we’re going through a similar experience again.

  9. The biggest terrorist in the world fly B52s & drop bombs (daisy cutters/cluster bombs/napalm) on totally innocent humans in revenge attacks on their perceived (manufactured) enemy’s & the MIC laugh all the way to the bank.
    Meanwhile back in Sepo land people have no food to eat & no where to live, but we chant 4 more years, 4 more years or USA, USA etc etc.

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