Turns out National’s slogan of a ‘Brighter Future’ was a spelling mistake, it’s supposed to read ‘Righter Future’.
The Government’s latest absurd GCSB distraction, Child Harm Prevention Orders, have become less of a smokescreen, and more of another disturbing nightmare of civil liberty abuses.
I love how Paula Bennett’s Welfare ‘white papers’ are always a blazing shade of red neck.
The problem of implementing Child Harm Prevention Orders against NZers who aren’t even convicted of a crime is that based on the balance of probabilities, a judgement could be made against you, to not only stay away from your child, but everyones child.
In America these types of laws have created the unintended consequence of pedophile tent camps where offenders can’t live anywhere near schools so live huddled together in tent camps on the fringes of society.
Imagine losing your child under a Child Harm Prevention Order and being required to move away from everyone else’s child not using the evidential threshold of beyond reasonable doubt, but the much, much, much lower threshold of balance of probabilities. Can you see how those powers could be horrifically abused in child custody cases that go sour? Remember, if you breach the order, it’s 3 years in prison!
I accept the current use of this type of power in domestic abuse cases, because there the person who is on the receiving end are only denied access to the direct whanau they are accused of hurting, under this plan the orders are universal.
Unbelievably, Key says “some of the civil liberty people” will be opposed to these new child abuse law changes. That’s because punishing people for crimes they aren’t convicted of are the actions of a dictator you crypto-fascist clown!
I’m proud to be one of those ‘civil liberty people’ who has a problem punishing individuals not found guilty of crimes. The eye watering ramifications of this nonsense are so bewilderingly stupid I’m waiting for reading to become an offense under this Government.
Apparently we need these sweeping new child abuse laws because 10 kids die per year. Hmmm, well 1000 NZers die each year from booze and the Government has moved heaven and hell to sit on their hands about any meaningful dent in those fatalities, so let’s get off the sanctimonious ‘public health’ moral high horse & see this for the GCSB distraction it really is.
I despise this Government’s casual fascism – can I make an advance vote for the 2014 election now? Key’s wide eyed arrogance and shrugging off of civil liberties with no regard for the wider consequences would be ethically bankrupt at the best of times, but to announce this because the Government are desperate to push the GCSB off the news agenda is a monstrous manipulation.
The name Pinoche come to mind. Will those the Govt dislikes start disappearing?
Sounds more and more like the book 1984….
Does John Key have Stockholm Syndrome?
More like Stock exchange syndrome
^Brilliant.
Hopefully “some of the civil liberty people” will shoot this down in flames down with the human rights argument.
Therein lies the problem, ” hopefully someone will step in ” what if this someone or group doesn’t step in? Are we going to be like America, and will our government give all our Police and solders weapons to protect us the sheapal. Is that another camp thay are building to house and protect us.
This reminds me of some of the crazy laws in Queensland in the 80s. Something like no druggies and no sexual deviants. I was threatened by police that I was liable for a minimum of 15 years in jail as my name was on lease of a house where someone was smoking a joint. Laughable if it was not so scary and this was at a time when Queensland police were found to be corrupt right up to the Police Commissioner.
Snapper? I thought it had been renamed red herring? Stocks are well up research has shown.
There is one point I have not seen anyone take up yet.
The obvious connection between the two laws is that it gives the government an obvious and vicious stick. That it can be used to great effect to attack political dissidents. No real evidence is required and the social stigma attached would be huge.
Civil liberty person and proud of it!!
The groups of people I know that do most damage to children are police and social workers. Paula obviously was a bad mother as well, given that her daughter ended up with a drug using gang member. On the balance of probabilities, that lot could be kept away from our kids for a start. Oh, and Garth McVicar, who thinks it’s OK to stab kids to death. And WhaleSpew who applauds their actions. I can see possibilities with this law. It’d put a stop to Catholic schools, and probably anything Bishop Tamaki tried to run. Maybe NAct got this one right?
a he he he.(weak laugh) .. Light hearted jokes aside, the things we’re noticing happening in NZ that are terribly WRONG, are in fact early warning signs of what’s to come. There’s the view that “next elections”…
Sorry but voting is NOT going to make much difference, ultimately…
If you want a preview ..http://www.infowars.com/humanity-is-drowning-in-washingtons-criminality/
NZ is a bit behind…but beware…same concerns will be coming here..in the not so distant future.
“Innocent until proven guilty” is – or rather was – a fundamental right guaranteeing protection against arbitrary administrative/executive action. It does mean a few people will be left free to commit unspeakable acts – not just child abuse but murder, assault on wives, drunk/drugged-driving mayhem, voting for the Greens &tc. – but that’s one of the prices of a free civil society.
To stand on Martin Niemoller’s shoulders:
First they painted people paedophiles,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a paedophle.
Then they painted people communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they painted people socialists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a socialist.
Then they painted people trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they painted people the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they painted people Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.
Then they painted me unnecessary,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
David J “obvious connection between the two laws” Exactly! Have to disagree with those who are calling PBs latest a “smoke screen”. One only needs o join the dots together. The GCSB Bill gives Police the power to employ the GCSB to obtain all your google search data from the US PRISM superconductor. For example, Judith Collins is in the process of changing the law to criminalise “naughty” surfing without downloading but can’t make it retroactive, so Paula Bennett brings this in which under the new GCSB legislation will be retroactive because no offence is necessary.
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