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  1. The major trouble with putting something like this to referendum is the very nature of referenda, they tend to deliver far more conservative than progressive results, they are the refuge of conservatives (just look where most of the calls from them come, and the issues they tend to be referred to on – gay marriage etc)
    I hope this one gets through, not sure it will, if it does, it will only be the youth vote that gets it across the line.
    And if you don’t believe me about the conservative nature of referenda, I refer you to Switzerland, where it took till a referendum in 1971 (not a misprint) to grant women the vote, a previous referendum in the late 1950s (again, not a misprint) continued to deny them franchise. If that does not demonstrate how backward referenda are, then I do not know what does.

    1. Absolutely, referenda are blunt tools with little reliability. People are easily captured by soundbites which makes them open to well-funded PR campaigns. Anything requiring assessment of nuance, a balance of harms, potential moral implications, ethical conundrums is not referendum material – forget it.

    2. One thing the reeferendum did was show everyone’s cards on the table. All sides came out swinging, and exposed their soft underbelly everytime they took a lunge, as well as exposing their hitting strengths.

      I heard if its a no that angry andy will just decrim weed as well as repeal the 3 strikes legislation.
      However, going by global trends, and indicators like chloe and dick smith, I’m sure yes will beat nope by at least 15%.

      Nail biting times indeed, stoners may need an extra puff as they wait and see. However, whatever the result and whatever the legislative changes, cannabis use and users will have imparted a contact high and a quantum shift of consciousness among conservative NZ.

      The conversations had in 2020 will give birth to more progressive attitudes and the future consequences for stoners has markedly improved since pre 2020.

      I will miss all the diverse cannabis conversations in the media, and now need a new special interest. Studying to be a either a qigong practitioner or medical herbalist sounds appealing to me:]

      Hasta la vista my pretties!

    3. My 89 ur old mother voted yes to legalization of cannabis so did all her friends, and I have heard of many many more oldies voting yes , you have conveniently left out all the middle aged people of whom there are countless that enjoys a reefer after work to help them relax and get a great night sleep, not really sure how you can compare us with Switzerland women’s vote, it has nothing to do with how our people live vote or conduct ourselves or where they get their influences from to decide how they will vote, considering Switzerland didn’t allow women voters for so long is not a great place to take note from anyway, not sure your comment is worthy of the read tbh

  2. The NZ police can be over the top sometimes. I saw them turn up at my neighbours armed when all they were doing was growing dope for their own personal use. They don’t smoke outside because of the neighbours kids and until the police turned up armed nobody knew they had been growing. These people went to work everyday and they have helped in the local community. The armed police frightened our elderly neighbours.

  3. Well I voted yes but it remains to be seen if the legislation delivers on that promise. Knowing mainstream parties it may well be a half measure.

    Anyway case of wait and see.

  4. We have a chance of a majority Yes vote, but i’m not very confident we will get it.
    The Noperz put up a huge misinformation campaign “We have to protect the kids from these druggies leaving their cannabis needles in the playgrounds of school and parks!”
    Jacinda is so risk adverse, I can see it being dropped if it fails and the government putting it in the too hard basket.
    But they have created a problem tho. They have said if the people wish cannabis will be made legal under the terms of the bill and most the experts agree, then the law needs to be changed. This sets a precedent to the fact the law is broken now and the simple fact is most the “harm” caused cannabis is from the justice system, not from cannabis it’s self. You can get a year in prison for possession of a vaporizer, yet these reduce lung damage by 95% That’s bullshit just like not drug testing drugs at big events.
    Another problem is in the USA more and more states are legalizing Cannabis this is becoming part of the Culture of young people and being glamorized more and more on social networks like tiktok this is a ticking time bomb. “Just say NO” and “Dope make people dopey” doesn’t stand up when they see their favorite content creators getting stones and being very articulate and skillful and having fun.
    They need to put education programs in that teach young people the truth about drug usage, not the normal rhetoric but the truth.
    They need to stop making adverts that portray stoners as idiots and stupid because most stoners I know are highly intelligent and these adds just insult them, that is unless these adds are just there to teach a certain narrative in the general public.

    If they was really worried about drugs they would regulate sugar and increase the regulation around alcohol.

  5. As for Reti’s members bill, this is shit

    The member’s bill under National MP Shane Reti’s name would allow for medicinal cannabis products to be approved in the same way a medicine is approved by Medsafe, with the exception of loose leaf cannabis products.

    Here’s the rub — > “with the exception of loose leaf cannabis products.”
    Read between the lines, Turn a natural remedy into a chemical soup and hand it to big farma to extract maximum profits. That’s so National Party

  6. The drug driving scare campaign run by the msm over the past year or more has probably killed the chance of legalisation.
    We may well end up with the worst possible combination of continuing with the war on drugs approach coupled with roadside testing which will enable police to target likely smokers knowing they will have cannabis in their system.

  7. I’m going to be on the edge of my seat for the next week waiting to see if the special votes can tip the balance. But a 7% shift is a big ask, even with the unprecedented number of specials cast.

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