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  1. The good thing about the ‘crash and burn’ stage that the globalised financial-economic-political system has now reached is that all the delusions and wrong-thinking that have characterised so-called development over the past couple of centuries will be exposed as….

    delusions and wrong thinking.

    The staggering gulf between anything politicians (agents and promoters of Ponzi global finance ) say and the real world is increasing by the day with respect to practically every area of human endeavour we might like to consider: energy, the environment, health, welfare, housing, infrastructure, culture, sport, even finance!.

    All the real-world indicators suggest the collision with reality will manifest in mayhem some time over the next year or two.

    It was, after all, only ever an exercise in looting and polluting and manipulation of the masses, and the days of looting-and-polluting are rapidly coming to and end because there is now so little left to loot. Sadly, there are opportunities for polluting.

    It is abundantly clear to anyone who has thought thing through that it will be the people least caught up in the machinations of empire -i.e. those living closest the traditional ways- who will fare best during the period of strife that has commence -unless they live on a low-lying island that will soon disappear beneath the waves, as inexorable sea level rise takes its toll.

    On the other hand, if the fundamental issues are not addressed (and there is absolutely still no sign of them being addressed) the Earth will be rendered uninhabitable for ANYONE in a few decades (at best) by the ‘technology’ the colonists used to subjugate the indigenous people.

  2. I’ve spent most of my life working in 3rd world countries and although the details change from country to country, I have witnessed a broadly consistent theme: Once the conquering colonial power withdraws leaving the locals to run their own country, old power structures and old enmities surface that cripple the nation.
    Examples include:
    The Tutsi and Hutu in Rwanda and Burundi
    The Shona and Matabele in Zimbabwe
    Muslims and Christians in Indonesia
    The Lumpa and Bemba in Zambia
    The Serbians and Bosnians in Yugoslavia
    Various tribal conflicts and power grabs in Kenya
    plus many many more.

    It is relevant to note that of all the colonies that the British left in the 20th century, all but one declined in every useful measurable way: Economic prosperity, political freedom, democracy, literacy and average lifespan. (The exception is Singapore)

    The outcomes vary but are always bad; from genocide at the extreme end of the scale to nepotism and corruption at the other. Given a magic wand that could, in an instant, remove all ‘pakeha’ from New Zealand, I have little doubt that the old tribal tensions would resurface and result in a power grab with unknown but possibly dire consequences for all of those that remained.

    1. Andrew this is not relevant here. There is no suggestion that Maori will take over and run a dictatorship and have tribal warfare with one another. And Pakeha? Wiped out? Genocide? What happens in Africa has got SFA to do with He Puapua. Your just scare mongering with your right wing bullshit. Get real.

    2. It is nothing new that there is usually turmoil when a dominant power leaves or a power balance is upset. This clearly doesn’t apply to Aotearoa NZ – Pakeha aren’t going anywhere.
      I can’t think of any reason for your post unless it is to support a general distain for “native” populations and that they can’t be trusted to run their own affairs. If that is the case you really should not have been working in those 3rd world countries.

    3. My goodness Andrew many of these places were raped and pillaged by the colonisers and left in poverty.

      1. That’s a fashionable falsehood. In fact all the ex British colonies I have worked in were left with perfectly functioning roads, railways, schools, universities, industries and systems of government.

  3. The Samoan impasse is also a disagreement between Samoan factions as well as tribal culture vs electoral democracy. Both main parties are Christian conservatives with FAST being less authoritarian perhaps.

    Due to hubris the HRPP stood multiple candidates (for bogus “choice” as they were so used to ruling) and vote splitting saw gains for FAST. HRPP have sucked lemons ever since and are relying on all sorts of tactics other than respecting a democratic vote to advance their power play. The PM has even spoken to senior public servants and laid it out for them–HRPP is still the Govt!

    Does extending Māori democracy in various ways really just advantage the “Brown Table” Iwi leader types as they were tagged in the 90s? Does Māori participation in SMEs and owner operator businesses just expand a Māori petit buourgeoisie and middle class? Well assimilation failed as a state strategy before, so why would it succeed now with new branding? Brown businesses should face exactly the same scrutiny as Euro and Asian business from working class people.

    But the fact remains that post colonial fall out persists, particularly in mortality and health statistics–until real change occurs there will be action fought for by Māori and their allies.

    1. ” Once the conquering colonial power withdraws leaving the locals to run their own country, old power structures and old enmities surface that cripple the nation”… I have a question for you.. Would it be rational to assume from that statement, that the colonisation of, all those countries, was actually an act of humanity to save them from societal collapse? I can safely assume that the arrival of the invaders from afar, had no effect whatsoever on the “balance” of power within those societies? Are you saying to me that decades of research on how the most “tractable” group, or tribe would be given the power by proxy, and once the invaders ran away from their responsibilities, then whoever had managed to get the closest to the coloniser got a head start on filling the power vacuum left behind? So it was all just the natives being natives? Cool.. You’ve saved me a heap of reading and decluttered my think box…

  4. I think the point about supporting He Puapua is that we the peasants want a voice for the peasants to fight for the peasants at Govt and Ministry level and just maybe He Puapua is a possible vehicle to achieve that, given that most kiwis don’t give 2 hoots for all separatist scare-mongering bandied about by the white privileged. What is good at lifting our couzies up, will be good for the peasants too. And if there is no seat at the table for the peasants at least we can all stand together and give our privileged masters the big finger in some unity.

  5. What has Samoa got to do with Maori? Different people, different country.

    1. It’s an example of replacing succession with some made up stuff that only exists in people’s head. Everyone who rejects free and fair elections pretty much hit on the same headcannon.

  6. @ Chris. Did you and John have some sort of falling out in years gone by, or is it that his wisdom doesn’t quite fit with yours – neatly enough?
    Maybe when you’re both parked up in some Ryman Care rest home with a dalit or filipino ‘economic’ refugee wiping your arses you could get over your fixation and become allies rather than doing your best to undermine each other.
    You know … transformation and kindness style.
    It’s becoming bloody tedious

    1. Give me a passionate opponent over a bored critic any day of the week, OWT. I engage with John’s ideas because they are important and deserve to be taken as such.

      In the words of C.S. Lewis: “The next best thing to a noble friend, is a noble enemy.”

  7. Chris. I believe that you are missing some importqant aspects of how maori society operates. The fundamental importance of whakapapa and whanaungatanga.
    Yes we have leaders who follow the big business model of governance, that is what those trusts were set up to do. e.g. settlement money that came with strings such as “professional” governance and minimum rates of return for investments. Those leader have been doing the job they were given.
    While they are constrained by the wider world (and those rules of the game), there is no point us trying to ask them to operate differently. We would have to change the world for that to happen.
    However, given the right to redesign our institutions, our other leaders will emerge. Our marae based leaders. And there are well established ways of levelling people so that elites cant damage whakapapa and whanaungatanga and marae. At the moment our “capitalist” leaders (our uncles) are protected by the wider world that has colonised us. But that will change when we can de-colonise our institutions.
    Of course change will be slow and painful and include mis-steps along the way. It would be nice to think that we could be allowed to go through that process without others judging our mis-steps harshly and out of context.
    We can only hope for the opportunity and to be left alone to do the work.
    John minto got it right.

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