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  1. Unfortunately for us, the all important patient zero was never found, thus theory, aka guesswork, is all there is to talk about, therefore I find this angle pointless. But the close ties here between China and the US, coupled with the work they, and many labs like this located throughout the world do, this is worth a bit of prodding.

    1. ” patient zero was never found”.. ” lab staff suffered symptoms exactly like Covid a month before the first case in December.” Can you not read to an adult level yet?

      1. You find patient zero and I, let alone the entire world, will thank you because patient zero solves the origin mystery. Otherwise, you can find stories of Covid circulating earlier than what you believe, as in this story from Italy pointing to it circulating there in Sept, 2019. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27W1J2

        Patient zero matters because there’s probably stories around earlier than the one I’ve mentioned here. Patient zero matters because it puts all the stories that we may think we know, to bed. Thus, until solved, the grown up position to take here is to keep an open mind.

  2. This was actually highlighted soon after the outbreak became public and the scientists involved changed their minds 180 within days. Re: “We know the lab was experimenting on the virus and that scientists have now cast suspicion on the virus having been tampered with.”

  3. There’s plenty of evidence that the massive US biowarfare program likely created the virus. It’s sad when anti-Chinese racists try to blame Chinese people for something the American dogs did.

  4. Yes, well said Martyn. There are arguments for zoonotic and lab escape, probably sitting at least 50 50 at the moment going either way. Which is utterly terrifying if you think about it. As Robert Redfield the ex-head of the CDC in the US keeps saying, his great fear is a bird virus pandemic (high death rate) with a strong possibility of it coming out of gain of function research. Gain of function research is a genuine existential threat. And the fact that so many virologists and researchers with skin in that game tried to make the lab leak seem like a conspiracy, is a total disgrace. They used Trump (a nut) as cover.

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