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  1. Interesting Martyn. With some other stories especially sport, a fair chunk of our media seem obsessed with running items about what the rest of the world is saying about us in opinion pieces Maybe it’s about promoting those foreign media outlets and bodies like the UN don’t count.

  2. I watched a video this week about the dangers of raising children with screens (tablets, phones, tv, etc) & wonder if this is another contributing factor to our problems? Since society does not value many service jobs & poverty is the result among many families which either forces both parents to work or in single-parent families causes a variety of issues with the end result that children do not get enough face-to-face time with their parent(s) to develop the social skills required to be reliable members of society. This situation has existed for many decades so there are also parents who do not have the necessary skills to pass on. Like all problems, it seems to be that the greedy who have caused the problems escape censure while those who could make a case to be called the victims of faulty social policy get blamed for what is essentially their inevitable reaction to the situation they are in.
    I agree that crime is wrong but policy that only punishes without treating the cause is not going to make a difference in changing people.

    1. Bonnie. You’re right about children not getting enough face-to-face time with parents. I’d go further, and say that from a shockingly young age, babes in arms, and toddlers, get sparse amounts of at-home time.

      Home is where they return for meals, bath, and bed, before being left next morning to be cared for by paid persons of variable quality, frequently immigrants, just as in aged care. Some infants are booked into pre-school from 8am- 6pm. Weekends may be their only decent amount of home time, and working parents can be rather busy themselves then. During the week, children see more of the paid outliers, than their own parents. Where there is only one parent, the pressures are infinitely worse. Kids don’t read now, unfortunately, but are directed to iPads to keep them quiet. If parents are shift workers, or working a couple of jobs, they may not all be home together at the same time.

      This is what happens in the low wage economies espoused by privileged reprobates like Bill English, whereas in past times, one income could support a family, and even buy a home.

      Every now and then some idiot blames parents for ram raids, bleating on about “ home life”, utterly unaware of what home life can be like for many children, and the politicians who do know, don’t care, or they would do something about it.

  3. Reading your article uncritically, one could easily get the impression that these ram raiders have no agency at all and therefore aren’t to blame for the choices they freely make. It’s always someone else that is to blame whenever they drive their car through the shop frontage of some hardworking business owner and then steal the owners’ property.

    If these “disenfranchised Māori and Pacifica youth” who regularly “attack business” do so out of poverty, then surely you’d expect poor White kids to act in a similar fashion. But you don’t see it. Therefore it can’t be poverty that is driving the criminality.

    Do we want to see 10 year olds arrested? Not if we can avoid it. However, if the police find themselves arresting 10 year olds, then it’s hardly the fault of the police: something has already gone badly wrong with the 10 year olds’ parents.

    1. So the young ram raiders are mainly Maori and Pacifika Nationalities ? Please provide evidence ?

      1. That’s who Martyn said was doing it. Antoine was just critiquing his message.

        It was an excellent point well made. If anyone has ‘disenfranchised’ these kids, it’s not the government or the cafe owner: It’s their drop-kick parents and themselves. Or should I say ‘parent’ in the singular form because I’d bet money most are in a solo mum situation.

  4. 2019 Now please remind me what government is in power to oversee this change is it to hard to say .

  5. Dare I say, maybe English’s social investment approach was right?

    Take the babies off the bad people and get them raised by good people. Better for the kids and better for society as a whole.

    Heartbreaking for parents but they are responsible for their choices. Maybe it will cause some parents to try harder to break the mould and get their kids back and in doing so maybe reclaim their own lives from violent partners or drugs and booze.

    Also, if less kids are in bad homes (and yes I know, sometimes its poor homes or non neuro typical kids or whatever) then more money is available to help those that need intervention and rehab.

    Whatever’s happening now is not working.

    I know if I was a kid and had a choice, all I would want is a safe and loving home with enough food to eat.

    1. While “Take the babies off the bad people and get them raised by good people” sounds sensible any examination of history will show that some of those good people were not good after all. Not all of the parents thankfully but enough to show that caution is needed with any placements. It is an unfortunate reality that some people are not fit to be parents however this exists across all income levels yet it is only the poor that stand out because money talks in our society.

      1. Fairpoint that I hadnt considered and it is true that some of the worst child abusers come from those in power traditionally.

  6. The question needs to be asked : how did Indian immigrants acquire and finance the purchase of so many liquor outlets, dairies, and small grocery shops in some areas of Nz 80 % are Indian owned or controlled – to fund this billions of dollars are involved – where did it come from?

    1. India is a rising great power, and a future superpower, based on their rapidly advancing (and extremely unequal) industrialised economy.

      N.Z. is a country which allowed its economy to be decimated by foreign dumping, and is now largely agricultural and backward. Local people cannot afford to buy those businesses, and would be unwilling to survive on the low level of profits.

      The economy is so weak that 7-Eleven gave up on the entire country. I.G.A. and Coles gave up also. Couche-Tard never bothered at all. Woolworths’ have a few Metro Convenience outlets.

    2. artemis You forgot to mention child care facilities, aged care facilities, and petrol stations. Maybe shopping malls, security services.

  7. Agree Brattie – they can holiday at home with family in the school holidays but return to a routine of unity, organisation and achievement. How many times have we seen people say – Thank goodness I went in the Army or the T.A’s. “It helped me focus and take responsibility for myself”. And many also say, they had a great time as well.

    I think its really unfortunate that almost all the Maori Boarding schools have gone. They used to turn out some great future New Zealanders – Politicians, Lawyers etc.

    Boarding schools, quasi military schools dont have to be awful but they do need to be staffed by carefully vetted people with a history of success with young people.

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