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  1. lovely written piece and really insightful….its a timely reminder that when things slow down it allows room for reflection and solutions to emerge to the problem. But we are talking about the greed of some of us here and I doubt the 10% in between cruises, golf and general pigs at the trough behavior will change.

  2. There seem to be macro and micro aspects to this economic downturn. Supply chains and communications underpin global trade in goods and services while share markets and complex financial instruments manage interconnected monetary systems. Schwarz (2020) reports that in the US the richest 10% of households account for 80% of that country’s share market investments, while half the country have no stock market shares at all. In NZ the banks and the government will be responsible for balancing the high level financial levers in trade, currency, borrowing and Kiwisaver investments. Kiwisaver represents future financial security of a majority of NZ employed (3/5 of all NZers contribute) so these global level events influence our savings portfolios at the intermediary, regardless of actual share market engagement (a direct financial link between macro and micro). At the level of the average business in NZ (from single self employed to dozens or hundreds of employees) the government and also the media, academia and professional bodies have a responsibility to manage the actual and perceived reactions to this financial downturn. Here at the micro level everyone has a stake in the outcomes. Government have to manage public sector, social and infrastructure spending while also interpreting the large scale market downturns, any trade and tourism restrictions, the spread and containment of disease and the outcomes for everyday living, the management of medical information and dissemination into the public arena. Media need to report the facts about economy, people and medical events without contorting the truth (or opinions) to suit a narrative or elicit emotion. Academia and professionals must inform government and the public about the risks financially, medically and socially of these events, including the margins of errors in modelling and methods, with totality, context and objectivity.
    This all feeds back into local economic systems which reverberate into the global market.

    Schwarz, J. (2020). Coronavirus matters, the stock market doesn’t, and thinking it does may literally kill us. Retrieved from
    https://theintercept.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-covid-19-stock-market-economy/

    1. Jody, I’m not sure that all this talk about “interconnected monetary systems.” Kiwisaver investments” …. “future financial security” etc. actually means anything. Nearly all these things represent just paper and promises.
      How much of it is real tangible assets here and now? What does “future financial security” actually mean? Until tomorrow comes we will not know what we own, if anything. All the money tied up in shares etc may not have any real assets to under pin it. If the stock market plummets catastrophically what will our Kiwisaver investments be worth then? Where is the future security in that?

      1. Workers hours and toil is converted into money credited to their bank accounts and if not withdrawn may well contribute to bolstering the banksters in their activity trans fusing money from the economy until they crash and are allowed to take depositors funds to stuff their pockets.
        But Kiwisaver funds are taken from the wages and placed into a range of speculative fund managers and this money may all but disappear when the crash approaches.
        All ways the lowly worker suffers grossly.

  3. An orderly unfolding of the entire economic order is my hope for this juncture, and a transition to a system that’s better for people and the planet.

    Totally agree.

  4. Mike Smith for NZer of the Year!!!! Good on this guy!

    NZ has become a basket case for polluters and part of it is that our government has failed and only people like Mike Smith through legal means, are going to change the corporate behaviour because our lazy environmental watchdogs certainly ain’t!

    Fonterra, Genesis Energy and Z will go to trial for ‘failing’ to protect against effects of climate change
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/120103409/fonterra-genesis-energy-and-z-will-go-to-trial-for-failing-to-protect-against-effects-of-climate-change?fbclid=IwAR23ofylw3I8n9meiGZCh1UmgPrufZnP6-2RZdNO8y7lIluAVjAkK7aHqhw

    Thames-Coromandel council fails to bat off climate change court case
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/120175034/thamescoromandel-council-fails-to-bat-off-climate-change-court-case

    Our lazy, sleepy, incompetent environmental watchdogs in bed with big polluters. So what have EPA been doing since 2011 while the country has our rivers and seas becoming polluted places, disease like Kauri DieBack/PSA is increasing and biodiversity is dying with many endangered species about to become extinct in NZ so that fisheries and big polluters can make a bit more profit or don’t have to change their behaviour, and the carbon footprint in NZ increasing???

    Environment watchdog has never brought a prosecution
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/greenroom/2020/03/10/1074422/no-prosecutions-ever-from-environmental-protection-authority

    EPA grants drilling and discharge consent for Otago coast to oil and gas company OMV
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118277477/epa-grants-drilling-and-discharge-consent-for-otago-coast-to-oil-and-gas-company-omv

    EPA’s ‘inappropriate’ reaction to student’s speech
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117378375/epas-inappropriate-reaction-to-students-speech

    In addition

    The energy charter treaty considered one of the world’s most dangerous treatys and operates largely out of the public eye…

    Australian company sues Sweden for $1.8 billion for phasing out uranium mining

    Aura Energy Ltd, an Australian company also listed in the UK, has lodged an ISDS claim under the Energy Charter Treaty for US 1.8 billion compensation from the Swedish government because in 2018 it decided to phase out uranium mining for environmental reasons.

    Read more: http://aftinet.org.au/cms/node/1823

    https://www.energy-charter-dirty-secrets.org

    You really have to fucking wonder who in their right mind allows Fonterra to use coal to dry milk powder in this day and age!!!! No wonder Fonterra are suffering big losses, the rot started when they failed to keep up with technology and instead thought it would all go away and leave the job to someone else, including their overseas partners to lead the golden path way which funny enough never happened, Sanlu and Beingmate happened instead!

  5. While there are some great points in the article and the comments there is no mention of the failure of the banking system which is almost guaranteed as property prices make their long overdue correction.
    And governments have a reduced capacity to deal with another crisis as they have failed to unwind QE from the last crisis. But they will still try as they are now beholden to their corporate donors/masters.
    Which means another mass transfer of wealth from the people to the elite, facilitated by governments.
    This may or not be the end of the world, but it certainly will be a massive step in that direction.

    1. johnky over saw the immigration increase and bonanza of foreign buyers snapping up houses and farmland. The resulting increase in prices transferred into massive increases in the mortgages held by Ozzie banks. This mortgage money is clear profit for banksters of which johnky was and is one.
      Corrupt bastard. Kiwis are paying daily for his dirty work.
      Those sleeping in cars with their kids never voted for that traitor but suffer what he has dished out in scorn for the poor.

      1. Well yes of course.
        I rarely disagree with you John.
        What amazes me though are the swathes of politically naive voters who did enable the man to pillage billions.
        I guess they are about to get there comeuppance but the dismal fact is the real elite and not the wannabes will do very nicely out of this financial crisis, as they always do.
        Unless it’s the last one of course, or else people decide enough really is enough.

  6. Any significant ‘correction’ will destroy the lives of millions, for sure, given the total dependence on fossil fuels in many countries and economies. Let’s see how people in Bangla Desh, Cambodia, Philippines, Afghanistan, Ecuador, Venezuela and many other countries that are called ‘developing’ countries will fare, when their humble and desperate work output is no longer wanted, and when there is no fertiliser to put onto their crop fields.

    Let us see how those nations will cope that depend on petroleum and gas exports, and little else, perhaps.

    It will be easier for some alternatively thinking middle class Kiwis with their own property and garden or more, to change their lifestyle and activities, others will be stuffed, as alternatives are not there in sufficient quantity and not affordable enough to replace oil, coal and gas at this stage.

    Humanity is stuffed, a system collapse will create wars, civil wars, crime and chaos, eventually killing hundreds of millions.

    1. A managed change cannot happen under capitalism so yes die off will happen long before it needs to.
      Managed reduction of population is only seen in China’s one child policy which has been modified a little recently to allow a second child under strict criteria.

      If NZ stopped immigration then our Kiwi population will shrink which is very necessary long term

  7. We are back to old known problems, no easy solution:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/coronavirus-corporate-debt.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/08/world-bank-global-debt-crisis-borrowing-build-up

    Forget also the low government debt for NZ Inc, per capita NZers are quite highly indebted, for various purposes.

    With already very low interest rates worldwide, the existing model offers little in the way of solutions, prepare for a rough ride and eventual collapse, forget your retirement savings and so, learn survival skills, get armed to defend yourselves, and learn to grow or hunt your own food, perhaps even build a solid bunker.

    If there are enough likeminded that can be trusted, organise yourselves, but as so often most are deluded to the extreme and will pose a problem if not a threat in the end.

  8. What the most important difference in Aotearoa between 2008 and 2020? In 2008, an exhausted Blairite Labour government, hobbled by NZ First, was puttering towards inevitable defeat, putting a Wall St banker in charge of NZ economic policy for the next 8 years. In 2020, a confused Labour government is heading for a political correction in which, all going well, NZ First and National will be punished by their conservative voters for their financial hi-jinks, and a Labour/ Greens government will be formed with a clear majority.

    As Bomber predicted a few years back, Labour and the Greens will be able to point to their neo-liberal Budget Responsibility rules, and point out that following these rules has utterly failed to prevent or mitigate a massive recession. They can claim this gives them a mandate for the biggest change in political-economic policy since the 1980s, dealing the final death blow to the Rogernomics era. This will open up space for the sort of ambitious, transformative policy changes we were hoping for in this term. Our job, as politically engaged citizens, is to engage in robust but respectful debate about what these new policies ought to be.

    1. Let the debate begin.
      Do we need foreign banks ruling us extracting in excess of at least $15Bn annually while declaring a paltry $5Bn profit.

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