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  1. Curwen – it’s connected with national attempts to thwart Winston Peters upcoming ‘high court defamation case against National MPs’.

    I believe that Mark Mitchell (as a past deep state overseas intelligence agent) is involved here.

    Dirty politics as usual from National.
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/peters-leak-stand-by-for-a-surprise/ar-AAIw5tQ?ocid=spartandhp

    Peters leak: Stand by for a surprise
    Tim Murphy
    1 day ago
    © Provided by Newsroom NZ Ltd
    Winston Peters is once again on the hunt for a leaker of personal information about him and his party. And next month a case fraught with political risks that he started before the 2017 election hits the High Court.
    Here we go again. The New Zealand First leader Winston Peters complaining about his privacy being injured by someone who is not happy with the way the party-of-the-seven-percent is run.
    That someone, or a group of somebodies from within the NZ First party, has leaked documents to news organisations over the past week showing various states of in-fighting and criticism of Peters’ political vehicle. No single leak has been devastating. Some have been pretty pedestrian political gripes from members who have not prevailed in internal contests or debates.
    But the cumulative drip-feed, and in particular the leak of the number, names and contact details of NZ First’s Auckland membership, has prompted Peters to call on the police and Privacy Commissioner to investigate the “malicious” acts.
    On past form, the next stop for Peters is possibly to sue. Suing your own party or party members is a new one, but unconventionality has never held Peters, aged 74, back.
    Interestingly, his previous ‘privacy’ lawsuit over the leaking during the 2017 election campaign of his seven-year overpayment of National Superannuation, led to some of the current leaked complaints.
    That’s because Peters’ lawyers quietly filed High Court action against National Party ministers, public servants and two news organisations (including Newsroom) the day before the country voted.
    With that legal action live against National, he then proceeded, post-election, to appear publicly to negotiate in good faith with both National and Labour, before coming down on the side of Labour. As it happens, this did not put him in a good light with some NZ First members who truly thought the party would consider both options – and the current wave of leaks includes commentary from members angered by Peters’ suing National and simultaneously acting as if he might join that party in a government.
    As he sends these latest leaks off to the police and Privacy Commissioner, Peters and his legal team will be preparing for the November 4 (eve of Guy Fawkes Day) showdown with National ministers Paula Bennett and Anne Tolley, the Ministry of Social Development chief executive and the State Services Commissioner. The case is set down for a three-week hearing.
    The first political risk for Peters and possibly his coalition partner, Labour, is that the taxpayer will be paying for the legal costs of the targeted former National ministers and bureaucrats under a cabinet decision recommended by Attorney-General David Parker. The ministers are represented by Bruce Gray, QC, and National Party legal adviser Peter Kiely, and Crown Law has engaged Victoria Casey, QC, for the government agencies.
    The case has moved from an initial drift-net demand for information (to establish a breach of the tort of privacy) to now being centred on the issue of the ‘No Surprises’ policy practised by successive governments this century, including the Labour-led government of which Peters was a minister between 2005 and 2008. He stood down from that ministry amid a scandal over a payment to his party.
    Essentially, Peters is challenging the officials’ use of that policy in notifying the the State Services Commissioner, its minister, Bennett, and Tolley as social development minister that his superannuation had been overpaid and he had had to put around $18,000 back into the public purse. The matter had come to light after Peters’ partner, Jan Trotman, applied for her own national superannuation upon turning 65.
    ‘No surprises’ is used to ensure the public sector notifies responsible ministers of possible political risk or embarrassment. In Peters’ case, officials were aware of the sensitivity of the matter and sought legal guidance before proceeding to brief the two ministers about what had occurred.
    Peters alleges they could not have been unaware that one of the National Party ministers could leak such politically embarrassing information in an election year and they ought not to have shared his private information beyond the Ministry of Social Development. “The disclosure of [Peters’] private MSD information … was unlawful and it was foreseeable that such disclosure would cause the plaintiff damage.”
    State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes said in August 2017: “The ‘no surprises convention’ is set out in the Cabinet Manual and requires departments to inform ministers promptly of matters of significance within their portfolio responsibilities, particularly where matters may be controversial or may become the subject of public debate.
    “The chief executive of MSD discussed this issue with me. [He] and I sought advice from the Solicitor-General on the appropriate way to ensure decisions were made independently and the requirement to ensure ministers were not surprised was met.”
    Hughes said no briefings were given to ministers until all decisions on Peters’ case had been made and “when these briefings were given they contained very limited details”.
    Peters’ arguments about the rights and wrongs of ‘no surprises’ raise the tantalising opportunity for courtroom questions of the current Deputy Prime Minister about his past and present use of the policy with officials in the ministries and agencies for which he has responsibility.
    And there could be questions about the current Government’s practices: What it desires to know, and when, from its officials.
    Further, Peters’ own public outing of himself as having received the overpayments could be examined to determine who, if anyone, breached privacy.
    The public could yet learn more through this court hearing as to how Peters, a former Treasurer and student of national superannuation policy, could have missed the overpayment for so long.
    The election saw New Zealand First exceed the MMP party vote threshold of 5 percent and win representation in Parliament, but Peters lost the third of the three parliamentary electorates that he has held, when he was beaten in Northland. His original statement of claim in the upcoming case alleged the sharing of his super details with ministers had risked “reducing the public vote received by the plaintiff as an electorate candidate standing for the Northland electorate in the general election”.
    * The Peters’ camp leaked to Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper news of the original filing of court action over the super leak and in August this year leaked a claim that during lawyer to lawyer discussions the issue of settling the case had been raised by National’s side. Any agreement from Peters’ side was said to hinge on Bennett being removed from her role as Deputy Leader. That did not happen. No settlement was advanced or agreed and the case remains set to be heard in just under a month.

  2. Curwen, for me these were the best bits of your marvellous dissection of how this murky, if not potentially dirty situation has evolved.

    ‘They, none of them, were fond of the Neoliberal Revolution and its outcomes, its results, its human casualties. And many of them were also, eventually, not that wild about other things like alleged “open door” immigration [although curiously, as another odd historical aside, it wasn’t actually that much of an issue on the 1996 campaign].’

    Now that’s fine … and in many ways, it’s actually an eminently sensible co-operation of various groups who are *all* facing a common enemy, in the form of neoliberalism and its technocratic enablers.
    […]
    But rather, that they’re operating directly congruent with, if not *necessarily* in direct communication with, certain people who *really really* want the National Party back in Government. Whether that means National itself, or ‘merely’ some “Concerned Citizens” who might *also* happen to be strong and well-connected National Party supporters, we cannot say.’
    […]
    ‘If we’re being positive, because this was the most effective way NZ First could contribute to changing the government, rather than simply hewing into Labour’s vote at a similar rate to what the Greens had been doing pre-Turei-admission-fallout … if we’re being cynical, because a weaker National meant that however the chips fell on Election Night, the government would almost certainly be “changed” to an NZF-including one in a key role.’
    […]
    ‘…a not unnoticeable quotient of NZ First voters and newly minted members, who’d joined up or even directly ‘patched over’ relatively recently and *precisely* because they thought they were helping out with the foundation of a Black-And-Blue Government.’
    […]
    ‘And that, whatever you might happen to think about NZ First or Winston, is something that *does* deserve to have a light shone upon it.’

    Thank you!

    1. NZF will probably disappear after the next Election, Winston is on his way out and NZF will lose his branding appeal. Shane Jones does not have the charisma of Winston, also the NZF voter base is fragmented. MSM have been trying to destroy NZF ever since it came into inception. Only time will tell ?

  3. Good attempt at writing TDB’s first novel Curwen!–my attempt at humour…regular readers would realise that you have lived this stuff inside NZ First for a number of years.

    The conclusion that arises is that the Dirty Nats are trying to kneecap NZ First. Partially by circumstance as you describe, and partly by design, with an extra serve of “malignant intent” since the pre election hit on Winston and his decision to go with Labour Green.

    Labour would have been in a stronger position if “Stevie’s Hole” had not come into play, spurious, but knocked a couple of percent off the Labour vote.

    p.s. if NZ First survives all this and crosses the threshold next year, the Nats will come crawling back!

  4. Curwen, that was far to long a treatise for my mind.
    But it seems to me that the ‘leak’ was opportunist to add fuel to the resignation of a stressed out president and to thus promote an alternative party which is hardly known.p (yet?).
    And yes, there are privacy concerns. WP is correct to complain,

  5. “Essentially, Peters is challenging the officials’ use of that policy in notifying the the State Services Commissioner, its minister, Bennett, and Tolley as social development minister that his superannuation had been overpaid and he had had to put around $18,000 back into the public purse.” He is right to do so.

    This was MSD covering its own butt in the matter of it’s error becoming known, or of Peters complaining of it.

    Should Peter Hughes have been aware of excitable Paula Bennett’s propensity to turn wine into loo water ?Yes, but protecting himself and the MSD came first, and I daresay it was a risk he just had to run.

    It is unrealistic to suggest Peters should have known that the amount was wrong. That sum was spread over x number of years, and busy rich people do not necessarily forensically constantly check their balances, particularly with on-line banking, and with money coming in from different sources. It is poor people and Scrooges who have to constantly be checking their bank accounts, and be acquainted with every dollar’s movement. For rich people, NZ Super, is pin money.

    Further, I suggest that all people were more inclined to scan their bank accounts’ movements when we received monthly paper bank statements, opened them, and read them.

    It is absurd to suggest that Winston Peters, would deliberately connive to steal money, or knowingly accept WINZ over-payments, that’s plain daft.

    It would be theft, and a criminal offence, and as a phoenix of NZ politics Peters is one of the least likely people to knowingly steal tax payers’ money, and put himself in such an invidious position.

    That Tolley, or Bennett, or Steven Joyce, or any other Nat, might think that he would, suggests that they are a bit daft. If that’s they were thinking, then it may be because swindling the tax payer isn’t as big a deal to them as it would be for Winston Peters, or me.

    This was dirty politics at its most pathetic and petty, and if Peters decided to make the Nats sweat about the the power in his hands to make them the govt, then jolly good show, it’s what they deserved.

    NZ First need to accept that Peters did NZ’ers a big service here, by showing how hopelessly out of touch Bennett and Tolley were with how WINZ operates. Were they in regular touch with their constituents, both these politicians should have known that the Peter’s experience was one that happens to other people too,
    and I am gob-smacked that they didn’t. It was their job to know these things. It’s what we pay them for.

    Peters was lucky being able to repay WINZ, but not everyone is, and some incur debts through no fault of their own, and a nightmare dimension enters into their lives.

    Peters provides a graphic example of how this can happen – with the added bonus of we once again being able to see the slimey National Party behaving disgracefully, and how nothing has changed since “Dirty Politics” hit the book shops.

  6. The problem for me is that NZ First, like Labour, never really bother campaigning in my Electorate. Ok its true blue country, and one of the bigger geographic areas, but they missed a sterling opportunity in the last election as National not to long before had told farmers that they were on their own durimg the worst effects of a droght, and the collapse of international dairy prices. Those lue supporters were hurtimg, and the local National fluff piece also barely bothered to campaign as it was resaonably expected that her election would be a sure thing.
    Had NZ First bothered to campaign here in Taranaki-King Country they could quite likely converted many blue voters, and acheived a couple more MPs on percentage points. And thus been in a much stronger position to negotiate election deals, and legislative policies. And all those true blue farmers would have achieved better representation in Parliament, albeit slightly more to the left of their voting habits. But oddly more in line with their conservatism as National is by far New Zealands most progressively out there political party.

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