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  1. The leaders of Ngai Tahu and Tainui (whose settlements are similar to that of Whakatohea) some 30 years ago were not as ignorant or as mercenary as Selwyn implies. Yes, they are iwi rather than hapu settlements, as have been all settlements, but that hardly makes them sham settlements.

  2. We have had both flags flying on the SH25 bridge for over a year now. The way I see it is that the Whakaminenga flag represents te Whakaminenga as the sovereign institution of Aotearoa, while the rangatiratanga flag represents the principles under which te Whakaminenga is constituted – so institution and principles given equal weight and prominence.
    You write “and they signed all those rights away. If they appreciated what the Treaty means maybe they would not have agreed to let the NZ government abrogate it to the Iwi’s now permanent disadvantage.” and “The Treaty has been completely violated by both the UK and NZ by displacing the UK without Maori consent”
    I think that is an unnecessarily pessimistic view. Nothing and no one can take away the right of rangatiratanga. Nothing and no one can deprive us of the sovereignty of te Whakaminenga.
    The same applies to the rights of hapu. Rangatiratanga starts with whanau, then hapu, and it goes on to encompass iwi before culminating in te whakaminenga. It is a system in which authority originates at the base and is delegated upwards. If that order is reversed, then it is no longer rangatiratanga.
    All we can do, and all we have to do, is to keep on working to strengthen the hapori at the local level. Nothing has been lost. Whanau and hapu are still there with eternal and inviolable rights.
    But a very good read, Tim, giving us much to think about.

  3. Article 2 of the contract signed at Waitangi is quite clear. Maori retained ownership of their lands for so long as they wanted to. Those hapu who wanted to keep their land, under article 2, had it stolen by conquest, by military force, by confiscation. The Treaty was a sham. A settlement of 3% of value is a fraud.

  4. Sorry, I don’t know how to link to things and couldn’t find a way to share.
    However, reading the short version of Audrey Young’s comments re the speech by Justin Tipa at Onuku Marae yesterday, prompted me to look up his entire speech. WOW!
    As Audrey rightly says – that’s what leadership looks like.
    If you have half an hour, have a look.

    Mr. Luxon didn’t get a free pass at all by going there, if he was listening.

  5. ‘ NZ is not unique in being a conquered land .’ Trevor
    Ka whawhai Tonu matou
    Ake! Ake !Ake!
    That proves Aotearoa is not a conquered land. Only the armed struggle is over. The legal and political battles continue and are being won.
    The sovereign nations of Ireland, Wales and Scotland is also proof that the conquest of Britain did not take place.
    Trevor you keep doing this thing where you say injustice and cruelty happened in the past so let us keep doing it. It is a weird ‘two wrongs make one right when I want it to’ philosophy( you had a hard time so other people should have one too, Vikings fell on the English with fire and sword so it is all right to keep doing this somewhere else, we can keep repeating mistakes from the past if white people profit from it).
    The idea is society progresses, not goes into reverse.
    You show why the sun never set on the British Empire( nobody wanted to trust the British in the dark).

    1. Good summary Stevie. These people who try to tell us it’s all to be expected and just face that fact, really get me.
      Why can’t things be different in NZ? Having started off on a better footing than many, with a treaty, why can’t we go on from there, IN GOOD FAITH?
      That is the main point. People who come to negotiate with a conclusion already decided in their heads, for whatever reason, are not acting in good faith.
      They intend to bully everyone into submission, not to listen and adjust expectations.

      In Justin Tipa’s speech at Onuku on Waitangi day, which Light above, kindly provided a link to, he says several times ‘We are not the radicals’.
      They are the ones defending the agreements that have been decided over nearly 200 years. Those agreements have often been broken, seldom by Māori.
      They are reminding everyone to defend those agreements, not seek sneaky ways to circumvent them.
      Not to manipulate new immigrants with cleverly worded catch-phrases to unbalance the equation.
      Not to stack institutions where Māori can have a say, with people who won’t have a say for Māori.
      Not to pretend that Māori are the radicals suggesting something outlandish, causing trouble.

      Trevor and Co. wouldn’t have found NZ such an attractive place to emigrate to if it hadn’t been for te Tiriti. They saw something here that wasn’t present in Australia, Canada, USA etc. but they’ve never asked themselves what that was. It wasn’t simply the absence of snakes.
      Yes, our society needs to progress, not go backwards. Doesn’t matter what’s happened all over the world in the past or indeed, what’s happening now in many places.
      We have the advantage of having this treaty which started us heading in a better direction.
      Are we collectively, so stupid that we cannot understand the advantage that gives us?

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