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  1. Perhaps we should put links to the sources up?

    http://theregister.co.nz/news/2016/04/new-zealands-ethical-fashion-companies-2016-revealed-who-passed-test

    https://www.baptistworldaid.org.au/assets/Be-Fair-Section/FashionReport.pdf

    I must say the results are “mixed” or mediocre overall. Victoria’s Secret seem to be one of those who do not give much of a shit at all.

    But even those that pass the marks, i.e. meet standards, what are these standards, but bare minimum ethical standards, which can also be circumvented and manipulated, when looking at practices more closely.

    We have a world of abject poverty for most, and in many poor countries, whose populations outnumber those in “developed” countries, we have hundreds of millions of desperate workers, who put up with anything.

    There is so much sub contracting and home and cottage manufacturing and trading going on, I bet that those trying to keep an eye on things do not really get the whole picture.

    While there has been talk that over recent years hundreds of millions had been lifted out of poverty, tell that the people of Brazil, South Africa, yes tell that the people in Venezuela and so forth, where the “boom” years of the recent past have turned into bust years now, causing much instability.

    The commodities boom is over, so it is back to bare survival for more.

    And the main problem is, as I see it, while our consumers may claim they wish to buy ethical products, they never check, and their wishful thinking is not matched by their actions, as in the end, most will decide by looking at the prices.

    The people who buy fair trade chocolate at the supermarket will be vastly outnumbered by those buying Mars or Snickers bars and the like.

    The same applies to clothing, electronics and the list goes on. Even where standards are met, they are minimum standards in poor countries, a minimum wage in Bangla Desh or in the Philippines, if they have such, will be rather minimalistic when compared to even our lamented minimum wage.

    Most people simply fool themselves, in so many areas, they want to feel good, so they pretend they want ethical and good standards, but when it comes to paying a little bit extra, you will suddenly see them all having been vanished. The relative poor cannot spend more anyway, and the middle class that can in part still afford their “homes”, they will only spend so much on Victoria’s Secret and similar stuff, and otherwise spend money on their mortgage and loan repayments. We may add the environmental issues, much lip service and little action, who in the urban sprawl we have will give up their cars and give up “convenience”? Only a small percentage.

    That needs to change, I wonder how this can be changed though.

  2. Let’s see, you used a Victoria’s Secret model for click bait on an article that didn’t really have much to do with VS?

    1. “Knarf”, you actually bothered to read the story, have you?

      “The 2016 Ethical Fashion Guide, produced by Baptist World Aid Australia, gave Victoria’s Secret (a chain of lingerie shops) a ranking of D+ for the observance of international labour rights. There are numerous media and research reports that Victoria’s Secret sources its cotton from companies, such as one based in Jordan, which uses child labour.

      […]

      We can take action against the tales of child slavery in the supply chain of Victoria’s Secret by not buying its underwear. We can stop the game, unwrap the parcel and expose the real source of exploitation. “

  3. Most of us don’t buy VS products – but many of us do buy
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/82862438/Banana-Republic-the-ugly-story-behind-New-Zealand-s-most-popular-fruit

    Plus: http://www.converge.org.nz/watchdog/28/09.htm
    How much (if any) have those conditions improved?

    And this is a never-healing sore as well – http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bangladesh-clothing-factory-workers-face-harsher-conditions-despite-efforts-claim-activists-1531560

    When it says ‘Made in China’ – is it really?

    And, BTW, for all the usual suspects – Agnes is a Baby Boomer. You know – filthy rich, snap up all the properties, blah and so. If she’s doing it hard now, wait until she falls onto the pension. Less than $20 000 a year for a single person, but there’s no seniors’ rate for power, phone or rates.

    Good for the councilllors who spoke out. Wonder if they’ll also vote for a pay freeze for the term of their ‘contract’. Or is that too demanding?

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