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  1. Would have been a lot better to have paid NZ citizens and long term residents (aka 30+ years) that keeping the ponzi of takeaways afloat which are very likely not be employing NZ citizens for the most part and are sunset non essential businesses that apparently the government is more eager to support than the NZ citizen beneficiaries and the disabled in NZ who got $25 ….

    https://services.workandincome.govt.nz/eps/search

    A few examples of the wage subsidy – who knew that takeaway companies and overseas nationals were more important to support than health and education here, and businesses like the below are more deserving of NZ state support than the NZ disabled under our kind face!

    Privitise the profits, socialise the losses!

    AMASIAN LIMITED 5 $32,318.40 16/04/2020
    EUROASIA LIMITED 11 $51,859.20 16/04/2020
    ASIAN KAI LIMITED 4 $22,459.20 16/04/2020
    ASIAN TAKEWAY LTD 3 $18,259.20 16/04/2020
    ACTIVE ASIA LIMITED 9 $60,436.80 16/04/2020

    SKM SUPERMARKET LIMITED 7 $49,207.20 16/04/2020
    METRO SUPERMARKET LIMITED 71 $482,124.00 16/04/2020
    Y & Z SUPERMARKET LIMITED 13 $88,555.20 16/04/2020
    ALPINE SUPERMARKET LIMITED 37 $245,947.20 16/04/2020
    PAIHIA SUPERMARKET LIMITED 13 $74,407.20 16/04/2020

    MIN & HWANG 3 $21,088.80 16/04/2020
    ZHENAI WANG 3 $21,088.80 16/04/2020
    WANG 1979 LTD 4 $28,118.40 16/04/2020
    K F & L C WANG 3 $18,259.20 16/04/2020
    MR ZHISHU WANG 6 $30,859.20 16/04/2020

    KWON THAI 6 $36,518.40 16/04/2020
    ITHAI LIMITED 34 $205,051.20 16/04/2020
    THAI LAGOON LTD 14 $72,948.00 16/04/2020
    SO THAI LIMITED 3 $21,088.80 16/04/2020
    JAITHAI LIMITED 9 $57,607.20 16/04/2020

    ZINDIA LIMITED 7 $49,207.20 16/04/2020
    INDIA GATE LIMITED 4 $25,288.80 16/04/2020
    INDIAN SOUL LIMITED 11 $71,666.40 16/04/2020
    INDIA TODAY LIMITED 12 $64,548.00 16/04/2020
    CURRY INDIA LIMITED 4 $19,629.60 16/04/2020

    TOURISMHQ LIMITED 3 $21,088.80 16/04/2020
    GM TOURISM LIMITED 5 $26,659.20 16/04/2020
    HY TOURISM LIMITED 7 $49,207.20 16/04/2020
    GP TOURISM LIMITED 4 $25,288.80 16/04/2020
    AIS TOURISM LIMITED 8 $56,236.80 16/04/2020

    KOREANA RESTAURANT 6 $30,859.20 16/04/2020
    KOREANA CO. LIMITED 6 $42,177.60 16/04/2020
    CALVARY KOREAN CHURCH 3 $18,259.20 16/04/2020
    HANSANG KOREAN BBQ LIMITED 3 $21,088.80 16/04/2020
    KOREAN NOODLE SHOP LIMITED 4 $25,288.80 16/04/2020
    KOREAN NOODLE SHOP LIMITED 4 $25,288.80 16/04/2020

    If this is NZ’s best and brightest to subsidise along with dysfunctional construction in NZ in the marketing led, “shovel ready” projects, no wonder they are predicting a recession here!

    Shovel ready to take NZ to our doom, looks like it!

    Doesn’t have to be, but they are creating it with bizarre policy and who the state has decided to support and who the state is underfunding while supporting the NZ visa takeaway brigade.

    1. I wonder why New Zealand has the third highest adult obesity rate in the OECD, and our rates continue to increase. One in three adult New Zealanders (over 15 years) is classified as obese, and one in ten children when takeaways and poor food businesses, is now such a supported NZ ponzi industry!

      Excess weight (obesity) is associated with many health conditions including Type 2 diabetes, ischaemic heart disease (IHD), stroke, several common cancers, osteoarthritis, sleep apnoea and reproductive abnormalities in adults.

      Even 20 years ago obesity in NZ has a social cost exceeding hundreds millions….. why is our government propping up more and more unhealthy food businesses that contribute to this health statistic!

      1. why is our government propping up more and more unhealthy food businesses that contribute to this health statistic!

        Totally agree – That is so wrong, in so many ways. The long term costs for NZ have, clearly, never been considered.

  2. Alternatively, you could have a universal, unconditional basic income for everyone over the age of 18, whether employed, unemployed, or retired, by setting it at $400 a week (untaxable) and paying for it with a flat tax of 50 cents in the dollar on all income (including the deemed income from wealth, or at least land, which is already valued for local-body rates). Everyone with an income less than $71,500 a year would be better off, assisted by everyone with an income above that. This would replace all NZ Superannuation except for people outside New Zealand, and, with the addition of universal child benefits (at the present rates for orphans?) could replace most of the benefits paid out by MSD. There would be no queueing for benefits: proof of permanent residence would be the sole qualification. Sadly, company tax, trust tax, and PIE tax would have to be 50% too, to hamper the tax avoidance industry.

  3. Yes Mike, we support Susan St Johns 100% there.

    I am 75 now and paid tax since 11 yrs old when I ran a paper run and still pay taxes.

    All we want is our pension income to keep pace with the cost of living as we are gall going broke now as all costs are rising now.

    QUOTE;
    “Economist Susan St John has proposed something similar for those on national superannuation that hasn’t been given the attention it deserves.
    Susan St John was proposing this change to National Superannuation as a fair and progressive alternative to the right-wing economists demanding cuts to national superannuation because it is allegedly “unaffordable”. Her proposals would have saved a lot of money but be much fairer than raising the age or cutting the value, for example.
    She proposed we establish a non-taxed basic income grant equal to the current living alone net national superannuation income of $425 a week.” Unquote.

  4. Thanks Mike for promoting this incredibly important debate about the design of welfare assistance at this critical time.
    Just a small correction. I have not advocated for a UBI= $425- the single living alone rate of NZS. We use the married person rate of $325 ( 2020 figures). The modelling show that the single living alone rate is too high for a sensible outcome. The idea is that over time the married rate is raised by indexation to the rate of single sharing which is frozen in the meantime. See for the full modelling: St John, S., & Dale, M. C. (2019). Intergenerational impacts: the sustainability of New Zealand Superannuation Retirement Policy and Research Centre, prepared for the Commission for Financial Capability.
    https://cdn.auckland.ac.nz/assets/business/about/our-research/research-institutes-and-centres/RPRC/OtherPapers/ToR%206%20FINAL%20St%20John%20and%20Dale%204%20Oct%20revised.pdf
    The proposal was discussed pre virus and there was a strong case then for redistribution from the wealthier superannuitants to allow assistance for others ( ie beneficiaries pre crisis) to be more generous. The Covid-19 crisis has added a huge extra dimension and makes the contribution from those who don’t need NZS even more critical — . But the problem is that the welfare system is about to be overrun and that these extra costs will require borrowing or money creation for some time to come.

    1. Oh great. So, on $325 per week I would have $5 per week to live on after paying my rent.

      1. on $325 per week I would have $5 per week to live on after paying my rent.

        It does not add up. The impossibility of just trying to stay alive..

  5. Christ!
    Sometimes when I look at the NZLP (albeit with complete admiration for JA), AND The Standard, AND much of what now constitutes the senior ranks in our PS, AND a number in academia, I’m haunted.
    “Whoop Whoop ………. Pull up Pull up! …….. neo-liberal terrain approaching!”
    “Check your fundamentals before lowering your landing gear going forward”
    “Whoop whoop”
    There’s a tough battle ahead and there’s going to be quite a few martyrs.

  6. The UBI idea for super does not mean that there is no need for recognition of accommodation costs for those whose rents are high and other income low. The single sharing rate would be frozen and the married rate catch up over time. Most will notice no difference in what they are getting in the bank. If it is too low then that needs a separate debate.

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