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  1. I would argue that it is open ended nature of benefit entitlements that have helped create the permanent subculture of failure that now exists in New Zealand.

    Entitlements like health and education are mechanisms that can uplift people out of poverty whereas long term reliance on welfare traps communities into reliance on it.

    1. I know people who, as the article says, just got sick of being treated as a criminals, ad jump through so many hoops, before even getting a payment. They gave up and told MSD to just go fuck themselves, and started dealing drugs to make ends meet, but still with pride and integrity intact.

  2. The constant repetition that benefits are too high, or that solo parents must go out to work otherwise a generation of indolent people will arise, are false and such lies should never be acted on. But they are behind much of our ‘lack of welfare’ system. So lregirgotated lies spread and infect the minds of people who wouled deny others the ability to build a decent life for themselves and if they are parents, for their children. The state does mot care about imost of its lies.

    I thought we had a pretty good society in the seventies and now the findings from Lake Alice institution and how obvious cruelties were being excused or ignored, showed that was a false idea and that we can’t rely on authority to hold to fair and kind standards. So we have a *nurse now venting about attacking medical workers and vaccination buses, spouting anti-vaccination beliefs. Will we need to question the standards and mentality of anyone we deal with? The stress on individualism over a group morality of care and concern for the group’s welfare, tribal and local community, along with our own, with individuals able to flourish finding their skills and gifts would result in a happier society. I consider it is merely a cost-saving procedure by government and financiers, basically leaving people ‘to stew in their own juice’ rather than enable and empower them, then when they fail they get fined, outed to society, put in jail, made an example of. This society we have now is descending into madness, suspicion, hate.
    * https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/457824/dunedin-nurse-referred-to-nursing-council-over-online-threats-to-attack-vaccination-buses

  3. Obviously you have never been on a benefit Andrew and you probably don’t know anyone who has. Having been on a benefit when needed and knowing many others on one and who have gone of one I can tell you the benefit system can work if delivered properly. Punitive measures don’t work far better to have incentives and other measures to encourage and assist those who can to get into meaningful, secure sustainable work. But unfortunately there will always be some people who are unemployable.

  4. LOL, usual tripe from Mike Green. Agree we need to lift benefit levels to get kids out of poverty and we need a state house program to ensure all these kids can grow up in a safe and dry home. We also need support and training programs for solo caregivers so they can re-enter the workforce when their children reach 18. But lifting the unemployment benefit level, I would suggest a lift to something par with Super entitlements, with a maximum cap one can claim over their lifetime, say 5 years. No time for the unemployment lifers!.

  5. Bang on! The Covid payment proved that this ‘Labour’ capitalist Govt thinks that beneficiaries are “undeserving” unless forces ‘outside their control’ like Covid put them out of work.
    They are still pushing the neoliberal bullshit that the market is the natural order, and those who cannot compete in the market are written off as ‘losers’.
    That’s why they will never challenge business as usual to correct the huge social deficit that goes back to Rogernomics and the ECA.
    That’s why they will never undo the damage they did in the 1980s. They a paid up bosses’ lackeys.
    This is why they rejected the advice from Maori backed up by the experts like Hendy that Maori would cop the most damage from Covid unless given special care.
    That sounds too much like ‘separatism’ and ‘socialism’.
    So the sabotaged their public health policy of ‘elimination’ in Auckland in September, immediately after Key’s ‘hermit kingdom’ outburst.
    $60 Billion for the bosses to boost their profits, but not one billion to correct the 40 year deficit owed to beneficiaries!
    No chance in hell that they will return to benefits pegged to 40% of the average wage.
    Social Insurance is their answer because it makes workers pay for their own redundancy and it is time limited. The UK imposed this a couple of years ago under a Tory Govt.
    Labour abandoned social democracy under David Lange in the 1980s.
    It is now a Liberal Party heading in an authoritarian direction.
    We saw this process destroy the UK Labour Govt under Tony Blair.
    Therefore begging this Govt to return to the pre-1980s social democracy is futile.
    NZ has one good thing going for it.
    It is a weak dependent economy increasingly dominated by the US and China in a global terminal crisis of capital which is seeing the class contradictions explode.
    The compounding economic, climate and pandemic crises brings the inevitable showdown between those who defend labour and nature on the one side, and those who defend dying capitalism.
    The class lines are forming with those who put the lives of workers first, such as the Te tai Tokerau checkpoints, against those that sacrifice workers lives to keep their SMEs afloat.
    Inevitably those who side with the bosses ‘freedom’ to exploit and burn the planet, will be the fascist fodder, led by expat Trumpites self appointed bishops and anticommunist farmers.
    They are the small misguided mislead minority.
    On the side of the vast majority, those who blame the bosses and not the beneficiaries, the solidarity in the unions between Maori, women, migrants and unemployed, is the base line of resistance capable of mobilising and uniting anti racist and antifascist movements.
    At a time when the global capitalist system is destroying what is left of nature and with it humanity, our survival is in the hands of international worker solidarity and socialist revolution.
    For humanity to live, capitalism must die!

  6. The neoliberal centre-right Ardern-Robertson government, whenever confronted with demands to help the poor to live, to be housed, to eat, to be schooled, to be healed, resorts to the Micawber argument that every dollar spent on the poor is a dollar that must be taxed from others: “We can’t afford it!”
    The behaviour of governments around the world during the 2008 GFC, and again since the Covid pandemic struck in 2020, shows that in fact they merrily conjure billions of dollars out of thin air when it suits them. It’s what they do with those dollars that matters. Creating money runs the danger of inflation (same cake, thinner slices). The Ardern-Robertson government had the Reserve Bank throw billions at trading banks over the past two years to lend as mortgages to prop up the New Zealand housing market. This has had the inflationary result of immiserating non-homeowners by putting the price of houses fantastically beyond their reach. The houses are worth no more than they were two years ago, or ten; it is the structure of price relativities that has changed, whereby those holding mere Kiwis discover they will buy only half as much House as they once could.
    Had the Government, as it was urged, instead distributed those billions as helicopter payments to everyone on the IRD or MSD books, there probably would still have been an inflationary effect, but it would have been more evenly spread, along with the largesse.
    The Government can easily print all the money it needs to restore all the welfare benefits to pre-Ruthanasia levels and entitlement as Mike Treen suggests. To balance that, the Government may need to collect tax, not to pay for the benefits, but to subdue any consequent inflation; it is not revenue, but currency withdrawal. It doesn’t need to come from higher taxes on the incomes of workers: rather, it would make sense to clip the wings of the asset rich with a property tax. Discouraging the rich thereby from spending so freely would balance the extra spending power of the poor, subduing inflation, keeping the Kiwi valuable for all.

    1. yeah the kind of ‘shovel ready projects’ receiving squillions were weird in itself- window-dressing and turd polishing were in when community gardens, public showers etc were not

  7. I’m not convinced they actually believe their is deserving poor. It’s just another tool to bash working people.

    We are left time after time watching more people with mental health issues and physical health issues become homeless or top themselves. The weakest amongst us, the down trodden, those who are truly poor.

    Treated like trash by both main political parties – mainly because they don’t vote, and need help which they can’t ask for.

    A underclass exploited by the tories for political gain. Ignored by the liberal left because to lift a finger to actually help, would mean accepting that the current economic system is broken. And then they have to do something about it. The labour party as it currently stands, is not going to do that.

    And to make it worse, the tories want to ramp up the vicious economics which destroys lives, destroys communities, and destroys families.

    Deserving poor as a concept is a sick joke, one which lets those who should be working for all of us, commit unspeakable cruelty in the name of helping.

  8. My personal experience is different from most of the points in this article.

    In the mid 2000’s the minimum wage was around $11.00 per hour, or around $420 a week after tax; the adult benefit was around $145.00 a week after tax.

    Nowadays, the minimum wage is $20.00 per hour, or around $650 a week after tax; the adult benefit is around $300.00 a week after tax.

    Plus, the Accommodation Supplement is still in place.

    So I believe that beneficiaries are much better off these days than they were fifteen years ago. Hence there is not a need for universal entitlements.

    But that’s only my opinion.

    1. Who was in charge during the mid 2000’s. What a effing disgrace. You can guarantee the unemployment figures were jimmied back then.

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