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  1. Four years ago I read ‘The Deer People’, written in the late-1940s, which catalogued the relatively recent history of the people who lived in northwest Canada, and their rapid demise.

    What struck the author was that by the age of 8 a child could identify and collect food, find combustible material and start a fire, as that child’s ancestors had done for thousands of years previously.

    Trouble start when European fur traders arrived with gun, and traded guns for furs, demanding that the ‘Deer People’ supply as many furs as possible. They were called the Deer People because their lives were entirely dependent on deer. The deer survived the first onslaught because there were so many -the author recalled as a young man he was on train in the southern part of the region which halted for sever hours as a herd crossed the line.

    What initially caused grief for the deer people was the very collapse of the fur trade in the Great Depression. The fur traders stopped coming and the supply of bullets ended abruptly. The Deer People had become dependent on firearms for hunting, and had lost both the skills of using bows and arrows and the weapons, and quickly began to starve. The Canadian government didn’t even know they were starving, and if the truth be known, didn’t care. Eventually, after much pleading by citizens who did care, the government organised food drops -of entirely the wrong kinds of food, which the Deer People had neither the biological adaption to eat nor the utensils to cook.

    When the author went to the region for a second visit many years after the first visit, he had difficulty finding ANY people. The great herds of deer had disappeared (largely killed-off with fire arms), and the bulk of the population had starved to death.

    When he did eventually find the remnant of the population, the story was told of the disruption to their previously stable society that occurred after the ‘witch-doctor’ visited the trading post (prior to the collapse of eh fur trade) and returned with a sled loaded to the maximum with western-made goods. Fr from sharing the treasure with the rest of the clan, as had always been the tradition in that society, the ‘witch-doctor’ became very possessive and holed up in his own dwelling, having abducted four women to live with him.

    So the answer to the question posed by Martyn (it reads more like a Chris Trotter article) is, there is no answer: a capitalist state, a socialist state, a fascist state, a communist state, a tribe federation….certain kinds of humans will be the way they are whatever the system, and will abuse other humans if they think they can gain advantage from doing so and think they can get away with it.

    It is only within very small groupings, mini-tribes if you will, with no trappings of civilisation that pure cooperation prevails. And in such grouping all other mini-tribes are competition and therefore are the enemy.

    Industrial Civilisation has temporarily removed the need for citizens to go hunting for food on a daily basis. But since Industrial Civilisation is on its last legs as a consequence of the damage it does, we are headed for a completely new way of living that the vast majority of people refuse to accept is coming, despite the overwhelming evidence.

    So, so many people have undying faith in human ingenuity, not recognising that human ingenuity is what got us into this mess of living on a resource-depleted, grossly polluted, overpopulated, overheated planet, on which the last remnants of nature are being exterminated. .

  2. Care for the vulnerable has sadly become about driving down the costs, using lower labour costs…. now that the religious focus is over.

    Sadly paying people who actually don’t care, like the outsourcing of care workers for ACC and aged care, led by agencies in many cases with workers who are not suitable at cheaper rates has become the priority over actual authentic experienced care.

    Oranga Tamariki has most of the board not trained social workers is a good example of where we are going wrong.

    When the lawyers get paid more that the abused settlements that is another type of abuse. What are they saying, that those abused and the abuse they suffered and the years spent fighting for settlement is not worth much compensation?

    There are some sad tales of abuse in NZ and I really hope these people get the help, support and compensation they deserve.

    1. saveNZ. Cheers. Thank God Maori are doing something about the pillaging of water with such a reckless disregard for the future – even if the same people are going to end up owning it anyway.

      1. cheers Snow White – another example of state abuse, the overworked parents of children with disabilities then have to go to court and spend time and money to correct impractical idiotic bureaucracy.

        Govt ministers in court over ‘absurd’ disability care issue
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018777143/govt-ministers-in-court-over-absurd-disability-care-issue

        Government policy needs a ‘practicality check’ before being rolled out to becomes someone else’s headache.

  3. Hi Chris. Interesting stuff.

    Congratulations on your recent stuff on hate speech, that Royal Commission, etc.

    Here. Anarchism isn’t your answer. What if, I’m the limit, some level of violence is necessary to organise anything? Seen this way the monopoly on the use of force is of of the better social technologies ever invented.

    Eric Weinstein and Peter Theil has a very interesting chat on this subject of violence in society in the first episode of The Portal. Probably not your fav guys but food for thought.

    Thanks
    Al

    1. You talk about anarchy and I’ll refer to it as violence in response to a background of violence analysed in Chris Trotters blog, and your response is corporate hypocrisy.

      The use of violence is an important reason for the state. It’s the states most used trait. Ordinarily the state is using violence to protect itself from its own citizens. That is a very good reason to show solidarity and mutual aid and maybe creative action.

      Now, why hasn’t anarchy gone further? Well it’s obvious. People like Allan are here to subdue and talked these impulses for the good of the fucken corporate overlords (and don’t even defend your position, will just neg the question. Are you with us, Allan? Or are you just another boss?).

      By force, the bosses must be beaten and bruised with accuracy and voracity. We’ve got an overwhelming amount of force relative to the state and a good reason to show solidarity, now we need accuracy.

      Alongside corporate propoganda and corporate media, people are disciplined and controlled by debt to limit freedom of choice, limit free thought and to limit protest. Because people don’t have time to for themselves while they’re just trying to put food on the table and in many cases unsuccessful, they will turn to people who can provide those freedoms.

  4. There is a wider picture of the sorts of disconnections that started to occur when civilisations built bigger and bigger cities and institutions which disconnected people from the communities who are impacted by their decisions and disconnected people from the natural environment that they are part of. Indigenous cultures generally avoided such disconnections by keeping things local. But as part of that there were social institutions which demanded keeping good relationships with other communities. As a local example, there are many stories of our Rangatira ancestors travelling around the country, living for a time in different communities, making whakapapa where they went. And stories of whakapapa links beyond the pacific e.g. our pacific ancestors and the people of Peru. counter to the dominant white supremacist story of continual war amongst tribes.
    It is almost like it was part of the job description of up and coming Rangatira to go forth and make good relationships. There was no need for a national state as social institutions and tikanga gave guidelines for living and were expressed and maintained locally. Decisions were made in a context in which whanau were connected within hapu and hapu were connected by whakapapa to other hapu. And connected by whakapapa to the natural world. .
    It is hard for me to get on board with socialism because it does not talk about local rangatiratanga. And it pits classes against each other and hence pits us against our own whanau.
    I suspect that a way forward is a re-balancing back to local rangatiratanga, local communities, where the national state is there to provide the infrastructure to enable local rangatiratanga and to enable good relationships to be maintained across local communities. Not there to tell us what is good for us! A focus on maintaining relationship rather than on maintaining the authority of institutions disconnected from the communities they are meant to serve.

    A local example of rangatiratanga:
    https://www.facebook.com/TeAoMaoriNews/videos/1701931189978526/

    an international webinar on civilisation as communities of communities:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsDZGkVtMpI&ab_channel=EarthCharterInternational&fbclid=IwAR3cKxQBjvFuiAC6i9uj_y3J2aYNzadWtuNDwXaBfHF-W3zc3XN3I_hUL_A

    1. You were perfectly set up then, because anarchy means ‘a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems’

    2. Never met you, so obviously your not an anarchist. To be an anarchist one needs to be organized, connected and focused. Your lack of ability says more about you…

  5. What kind of state? An authoritarian, eugenicist, colonial, hierarchical, patriarchal state of course. Your analysis missed the colonial and the patriarchal at least, Chris. And both those errr… philosophies were absolutely central to the systemic treatment of lesser humans, rejects, non-parented children. Socialist impulses in teh NZ state have always been subsumed within teh colonial/ patriarchal nexus. Happy Christmas to you, Chris!

  6. Yes that may be true and I don’t have a magic wand to make it right, but here is some consolation: Jacinda’s lot knew that leaving 30,000 Covid State refugees to the hand of the free market would turn the tide against life as we know it. Why else so openly invent an immediate two tier welfare system? Only 30,000 people? Goddamn! The time to act is now! That’s how thin the line is between whatever comes next and now. Not an election, not swing voters, not a revolution. Just the effect of stalling our version of economic whatever it is, for two weeks.

    The second consolation is this: we all know that even just one abused child affects hundreds of people throughout their lifetime, sometimes thousands. Dysfunction is a contagious virus, extremely difficult to treat, and deliberately bred by the millions every day. However the infection effect does work in reverse, too, but with much less noise and violence. We can cross that that thin line of 30,000 people between now and the future revolution, immediately. You won’t even notice it. You don’t have to be perfect, you don’t have to label yourself, you don’t have to join a club or wave a flag. You don’t have to do anything but watch yourself for a few minutes, or hours, whatever is necessary for the situation.

    Chances are many here have been wandering back and forth across the line many times. It’s the simplest thing to do. Just stop. Instead of doing what you were going to do, recognise what motivates it, take a deep breath, and just don’t. Congratulations, you just stepped across the line other people won’t until they have the hell kicked out of them by their own values. When the anxiety gets too much, by all means, step back across the line. On another day, spend some more time over here, increase your tolerance of the sensation, until it’s second nature. That’s the only revolution no one can stop, and its always here, right now.

  7. Well said Chris, the state and in particular this monopoly of violence was were Mikhail and Karl would argue like cats and dogs. The consequences of the failure of the first international keep reverberating through history. It is not enough to capture the state – the state itself is a problem. An idea to many on the left are unwilling or unable to comprehend. In the end Karl agreed with Mikhail, and for him the state had to wither. A position I personally disagree with, we must remove parts of the state after we capture it, then create systems for the complete removal of the rest.

    I’m a Christian Anarchist just so people know where I stand.

  8. What is not told is the fact that the vast majority of abuse in care is at the hands of whanau caregivers NOT non-kin caregivers. Children are removed from a whanau and extended whanau are sought to care for the children so the parents or original whanau caregivers can have as natural contact as possible.

    Another conveniently forgotten issue is that the children are not taken into care for no reason. This in no way exonerates the State for there lack of management of the safety of these children, but why does nobody point the finger at the original ‘offenders’?

    Nuff sed.

  9. What is not told is the fact that the vast majority of abuse in care is at the hands of whanau caregivers NOT non-kin caregivers. Children are removed from a whanau and extended whanau are sought to care for the children so the parents or original whanau caregivers can have as natural contact as possible.

    Another conveniently forgotten issue is that the children are not taken into care for no reason. This in no way exonerates the State for there lack of management of the safety of these children, but why does nobody point the finger at the original ‘offenders’?

    Nuff sed.

  10. The state we are in is a bourgeois state that reproduces capitalist social relations. The original citizens that constituted the bourgeois state were property owning individuals who had successfully driven working people of the land and forced them into wage labour or face starvation.

    The extension of the vote to landless workers and to women much later, by included them as buyers and sellers of commodities equal to property owners, was necessary to suppress rising class and gender consciousness.

    So the bourgeoisie bought workers commodity labour power which they had to sell or starve in order to exploit their surplus labour. Women won their vote at the expense of their unpaid domestic labour for capital.

    Therefore whatever bullshit is sprayed about the state we are in, eg the possibility of parliamentary socialism, the bourgeois state is derived from capitalist property relations inimical to socialist social relations.

    Marx and Bakunin did not agree on the nature of the state. Bakunin rejected state rule in any circumstances. Marx argued that the workers as the new ruling class needed a state to rule. Marx’s theory was that the withering of the state would have to wait upon the ending of proletarian class rule under communism.

    To claim that any socialist or communist state since has validated Bakunin against Marx, fails to recognise that no such proletarian state has existed since they were quickly surrounded and subverted by the alliances of bourgeois states in alliance with self-professed anarchists.

    Thus Marxists critique anarchists as hypocrites, rejecting the state in principle, but then joining the bourgeois state, as in Spain in 1937.

    There are two grounds as to why we have to fight for a workers state. First, it is necessary that the class that produces the value, takes control of the economy to defend it from counter-revolution, and to plan production for necessities in harmony with nature.

    Second, for those who would rather face human extinction than run the risk of communist tyranny, both the 1871 Commune and the 1917 Revolution showed that even under military invasion and occupation by capitalist states, the working people created democratic institutions in which the majority ruled in the interests of socialism until succumbing to the counter-revolution.

    Socialism or Extinction? I know which option I would go for.

    1. ‘Socialism or Extinction? I know which option I would go for.’

      The vital and clever -but also exceedingly stupid- aspect of the Neoliberal narrative is to NEVER allow the terminal nature of the Neoliberal system to be discussed in official circles, i.e. parliament and its various agencies, and hence the proles are kept permanently uninformed/misinformed as we march towards extinction.

      As little as ten years ago organisations such as Radio NZ were giving prime air time to denialists -people like David Bellamy, Augie Auer, Chris Laidlaw etc., people who were not climate scientists but were prepared to spout a load of nonsense about CO2 and its effect on the temperature of the Earth. Most famous was ‘Lord’ Monkton, who made up stuff as he went along, but was believed because he told people what they wanted to hear: that there was no environmental crisis and we (as a society) could carry on looting ad polluting the commons ad infinitum. Because, all told, that is what capitalism is all about: looting and polluting the environment -along with exploiting the masses.

      Now that the environmental crisis has become so obvious it cannot be denied -its rather difficult to cover up unprecedented fires that wipe out entire communities, or inundations that trigger mass civil defence emergencies and devastate large numbers of homes- the state moves at the slowest possible pace on environmental issues whilst at the same time promoting population growth, economic growth and increased levels of consumption (and therefore waste generation), all of which destroy the environment faster.

      I began to understand the profoundly corrupt and counter-productive nature of Neoliberal politics 20 years ago, and by 10 years it was blatantly obvious to me what was going on. I also discovered the hopelessness of attempting to wake others to what was going on.

      Adam Curtis* produced some excellent documentaries on how the state uses sophisticated mind-control systems to keep the masses under control and believing in the benign nature of the state, even as the state wrecks everything it touches.

      I have just read a ‘must-read’ article on the phony history of America, by John Davis: ‘What Shall We Call It’.

      ‘There was no coup. American democracy worked as designed: it took the progressive energies unleashed in opposition to the Trump administration and entirely neutered them with the orderly election of the avuncular Joseph Biden, protector of the Empire, the military industrial complex, banking and finance, insurance, biotech, Silicon Valley, the revolving door bureaucracies of the Washington swamplands and the wheedling parasites of K Street.

      The whole rotten armature of the Republic will be put back together by Biden and his crew despite the overwhelming evidence of its, never mind his, decrepitude. Under Trump, the nation has absorbed extraordinary episodes of domestic chaos – closing in on 300,000 citizens killed in a disastrously mismanaged pandemic, four years of deliberately divisive, white supremacist rule by the Republicans, witch-hunts by the Democrats, an impeachment of the president, and, this year, the most remarkable series of iconoclastic demonstrations against the country’s historically rooted values of oppression, exploitation, enslavement, and the annihilation of indigenous peoples, during the Black Lives Matter uprising.

      Yet the recent Federal election is an affirmation of business-as-usual, a celebration of a return to normality – despite the startling indications of the system’s bodily corruption. Faith in the restorative power of our democracy remains high, faith in the power of voting remains undiminished and, for a little over half of the electorate, a sense of victory hangs in the air…..

      Every two years, members of the two parties compete for the approbation of the voting public who, regardless of their choice, give unwitting political legitimacy to the brute force of the market. This process, which Thomas Carlyle, the nineteenth century historian and philosopher, called the cash nexus, remains at the heart of American democracy – in which a vote for either party ensures the continuation of their danse macabre. It is this legacy to which Biden, as the country’s next president, is now heir – rightfully so, it may be argued since he has been partially responsible for the last fifty years of its most reactionary manifestations.

      In order to heal racial injustice, economic injustice, environmental injustice and to fill the voids of mind, body and spirit that exist in the American commonweal, vast sums of public treasure need to be expended. That intention is currently blocked both by a philosophy of governance that privileges the free market and by the impregnable massif that is the military establishment – the mastodon in the room of a profoundly unquiet American society. Such socially targeted expenditures might prevent America from sinking further into a quagmire of pathological dependencies – the gloss of its over-consumption since WWII having long since been made pallid by the endemic inadequacies of health care, education, infrastructure, nutrition, housing, income distribution and the historically charged racial injustices that haunt the nation. These represent profound failures of state in terms of both remediation and restitution. Such failures demand a revolutionary re-focusing of the purposes of government; a redefinition of democracy; and a relinquishment of the grand myths that have sustained them – myths that have weaponized the base economic impulses of freedom loving conservatives over the life of the Republic. That re-focus will come with a price-tag, but one that is almost certainly less that the inordinate sums channeled to the military industrial complex, now justified by the maintenance of a superannuated Empire……’

      https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/18/what-shall-we-call-it/

      Whilst NZ does not indulge in the gross excesses of the US, the tone of the governance is almost exactly the same as in the US: fake to the core and rotten to the core.

      As I have said before, the state simply manages the populace and ensures that sufficient ‘breadcrumbs’ fall off the table to prevent revolt.

      Clearly, as the supply of ‘breadcrumbs’ diminishes, the state (currently managed by Jacinda and co.) will find it increasingly difficult to allocated and distribute ‘breadcrumbs’.

      * The Power of Nightmares

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares#:~:text=The%20Power%20of%20Nightmares%3A%20The%20Rise%20of%20the,originally%20broadcast%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom%20in%202004.

  11. AFKTT. The sad thing is that all of this was predicted by Marx 150 years ago in The General Law of Capital Accumulation (Capital Vol 1, 1867) https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch25.htm
    That prediction proved accurate, the outcome would be decided by class struggle but subject to the laws of motion of capital as described in the General Law.
    And Marx predicted that Capitalism would not end until it had exhausted its potential to develop the forces of production based on the plunder of nature including human labour power.
    At that point the working masses would rise up and become the gravediggers of capital on behalf of nature.
    Of course for that to happen workers had to understand Marxism as the science of the capitalist mode of production, the role of class struggle, and the proletariat as the revolutionary class capable of replacing capitalism and resolving the contradiction between capital and nature.
    Understanding the state we are in means understanding Marxism as a science and putting it into action.

  12. Chris’ post gives good analysis of wrongdoing by or at the behest of the state, that’s gone on since colonial times, but doesn’t hint at solutions. Can anyone offer solutions?
    It’s like civil service collective amnesia or a bureaucratic hive mind of cognitive dissonance, favoring the option of covering up abominable behavior, instead of what you might think they would want to do, the right thing to do, that any decent person would know, which would be to investigate, and put an end to bad goings on, asap. Could the game the smiling bureaucrats have been playing be called, how do we stifle justice yet again?

    Over the many years covered by the abuse in care inquiry, where were the police, where was the ombudsman, where was the dept of health or the dept of youth services, where was the director general of health, where were the commissioners, where was the oversight? No oversight, and no repercussion for no oversight. Those people who were then at the top, the pre eminent baby boomers in senior civil service positions, who may have built up substantial property portfolios, and healthy pensions – where would they expect compensation to come from, to pay to those who were wronged, while they turned a blind eye. I wonder.

    Maybe the abuse in care inquiry could identify all those in positions that were responsible for taking action, but didn’t do so, and getting some funding from them. I’m sure the state can make sure they pay up, just as the state would certainly make sure any of those wronged payed up, if they got a parking ticket for instance. Because parking can be a serious matter, and never something to be brushed aside or swept under the carpet, as any decent person would know.
    Perhaps the solicitor general can start it off with a contribution, but wait a minute, the solicitor general and crown law are not on the side of justice here, not on the side that is correct and right and proper, but have sought to cover up. Being accessories to abuse, is the wrong side of history. Who is the arbiter of proper behavior in the civil service? Is it the state services commissioner? Does their oversight need oversight? Why should any ordinary person bother to obey the law, when this is how the state behaves?

    1. I was told that in the public service, if a high officer is found to be incompet4ent and causing problems for the organisation, the solution was to suggest the person apply for a higher position elsewhere, and to write a glowing testimonial in the hope that the next organisation would employ the said person.

      In the next organisation it takes a while for the incompetence to become apparent, upon which that organisation suggests the said person apply for a higher position elsewhere, and writes a glowing testimonial, ad infinitum.

      Add to that the Dunning-Kruger effect…

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