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  1. I guess we gloss over the fact cheap means unsustainable a lot of the time from it’s origin of labour, resources, reliability and environmental impact. I guess we won’t mention this in supply and demand.
    For example TWG sell office furniture that contributes an estimated 90 tons of poisoning landfill a month – and that stat is 7 years old.
    There are other impacts to supply and demand we must think about.
    Eg: Housing NZ built houses lifting off piles which just should not happen even in minor flooding in Māngere.
    Do you want or do we need money to have a 2 year warrantee or a 10 – 15 year guarantee on goods & services?
    False economy on cheap quality is killing NZ environmentally and most likely globally from point of origin.

    1. Yes, Rogue Estate, the old but all too familiar manufacturing model of take, make and waste. Economic theory has a lot to answer for.

    2. Hi Rogue Estate, cheap is a real problem. Totally agree. But that is ‘cheap’ in a private market maximise profit regime. Home grown veggies are cheap in a good way. So I agree with your examples

  2. While I accept that you have made many valid points I feel that the main issue is that the economy is a lot more complicated than people like David Seymour can understand.
    You do see supply & demand at work in the local supermarket where the product is close to its best-before date or produce needs to be sold quickly although I guess selfish desire by the supermarket to maximise their profit with no concern about selling a possibly inferior product also explains their actions.

    1. Hi Bonnie, Supermarkets aren’t great at demand and supply. They do drop the price on a few things before best by date but generally they dumped it. They give a lot more away now but that is not demand and supply doing that. They still get insurance and tax deductions for loss on disposal.

    2. At the “wholesale” level fresh fruit and vegetables are sold by auction at firms such as (in Wellington) Turners & Growers and Market Gardeners. Buyers will adjust the prices they are prepared to pay in accordance with quantities they see on the floor, and growers, at the time of planting, will base their planting decisions on what they think will fetch high prices after harvesting; though I think some growers do have supply deals with the supermarkets.

  3. The more I read your articles, the more I feel that your biggest problem is people having independence and individuality with power of thoughts, wants and needs.

    What you are drifting towards in your conclusions is that the people will own nothing and be happy. They will be ruled, manipulated, coerced, constricted and confined to the dictates of the PMC. After all the PMC (or pigs walking on two legs as per Orwell’s book) knows best. Individuality is not to be tolerated. Where do you fit in Mr Minto? Two legs or four?

    The PMC will be staffed no doubt by the Stephen Minto types, full of righteously thoughts and rules to gloat over the masses from their secure high rises to look down on the minions with total control.

    Maybe in your next article you can cover the demand for better education? Or would that better education make the four legged animals want to walk on two legs and become a rival PMC? Hence we dumb down education?

    1. Hi Gerrit, You have created a straw man about me not liking ‘independence and individuality’. Once you have that daft idea you can say anything and pretend to be clever. Can you hear the advertisers and marketeers mocking you when you watch the ads?
      Most/many economists are highly critical of demand and supply as a conceptual framework to understand the economy. I just think it still dominates our commentary and I’m pointing out it is rubbish. If you want to get educated – a great book is ‘Doughnut Economics’ by Kate Raworth

    2. I don’t see how you conclude that Stephen does not want people having independence and individuality with power of thoughts, wants and needs? The problem with society is that wealth is able to restrict the options for those without wealth while they often do not pay the cost to society of whatever economic activity they are involved in. History would suggest that when the wealth divide is vast & the overwhelming majority of people consider themselves poor, big changes can happen so we will wait & see what happens next. Having a decent leader with integrity is essential for real change & they don’t seem to exist anymore so I expect the future to be messy.

  4. Google images show supply/demand lines as straight lines (& parallel lines) taken from textbooks. There is no evidence for straight lines nor the intersections with the axes. The SMD theory shows that it is not valid to combine single demand curves (or lines) into a combined downward sloping plot. The idea that changing circumstances produce a parallel shift in demand (& supply) has no basis in evidence. This assumption is economists being ridiculous.
    The supply curves (lines) portrayed as upward sloping lines is false. Producers as found by an important economist, Alan Binder, face lowering costs with higher production, yet his textbook continued to portray the fantasies of generations of economists who cling to an ideology.
    Goods have different nature which affect consumption. Necessities of life are different to goods that provide ‘utility’ and different from ego goods to make the poor feel inferior.
    The equilibrium of the intersection of supply/demand lines at a point in time is not the way to think about it. The rate of goods produced minus the rate of goods sold equals the rate of inventory increase. It should be all about dynamics not equilibrium.

  5. “The world is very different now as we know so much more about peoples fragilities and how to manipulate them through marketing and advertising….The reality for large companies is that price is set by a sophisticated mix of psychological manipulation and misinformation”.

    Now, ain’t that the truth.

    It doesn’t take a big step to rephrase this as:
    The world is very different now as we know so much more about peoples fragilities and how to manipulate them through public relations and political spin….The reality of politics in the post-modern world is that political allegiances, for many, are shaped from a sophisticated mix of psychological manipulation and misinformation.

    But I suspect there’s always been some truth to this assertion.

    1. Hi Bozo, yes I agree propaganda has been around for a long time and people with money can afford the most research and then use manipulation to associate positive ideas to the outcome they want. However, people presenting ideas directly is a part of free speech. I was just limiting my discussion to economics which is full of lies and manipulation, to create demand. e.g. tough strong independent men like the Marlborough man smoke cigarettes. Until they die wasted away in a hospital bed with cancer.

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