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  1. “….economics is not a science”.

    I’ve heard this before. Not that I disagree entirely. But what does this then mean in a world increasingly searching for evidence-based solutions. Data is supreme, we are told. Especially quantitative data. What can be counted counts, does is not? However, irrespective of what kind of data, quantitative or qualitative, numbers or words, calculation or interpretation, all science, except perhaps for so science dependent on so-called natural laws of physical nature, involves a good amount of interpretation. Even quantitative data. And the saying goes, statistics (in other words quantitative data) are capable of lying.

    If we accept economics is a ‘poor science’ what implications does this have for decision-makers? What does it mean for ordinary folk who are led to believe its all kosher. What does it mean for our ‘interpretation’ of how things really are? FFs, if nothing is the way it seems why should we even bother.

    Look forward to the next installment.

    1. Problem is just because its a numeric forecast that doesn’t make it a valid model of how the economy works. Often times an economic theory doesn’t reflect any observable mechanisms in the economy.
      Take Reinhart and Rogoffs infamous growth in a time of debt paper. They inferred an 80% of GDP threshold after which economic growth is supposed to slow. Of course famously their basic analysis was so flawed that such a conclusion was entirely based on errors in their spreadsheet, so it was obvious the conclusion was incorrect. But more importantly they never tackled if slow growth causes high debt to GDP ratios vs if high debt to GDP ratios cause slow growth. We know about the obvious mechanisms where strong growth in economic activity causes govt debt to be paid down rapidly, these can be seen. On the other hand applying a threshold rule assumes that cause runs 100% in the other direction.

      The economic costs of the European and US austerity drive (which has heavily influinced by this paper) run into the trillions of dollars.

    2. Of course economics is nothing like science. There’s no 2nd NZ economy that we can use as a control to see what happens if we raise/lower taxes, add/ remove subsidies or tariffs etc. There are only theories and data with nothing to truly compare them too.

      Look at the most simple economic models like supply and demand. The model states if we raise the price of widgets the quantity will fall, everything else being equal. Now the real world doesn’t stand still so we can observe the changing relationship between price and quantity of widgets, but we have to obey these economic theories like they are as certain as the theory of gravity

    3. Hi Bozo, thank you for your insight. Yes, which evidence to look at is important. My key point is economics has been looking too narrowly at evidence. Climate change is not something that can be ignored and the formulas and theories of economics have been ignoring it.

  2. You are correct, economics is not science. It is a religion. It has several cults. It has cult figures: Keynes, Friedman, Marx, Marshal, etc. Instead of faith (belief without evidence) it has assumptions, assertions, presumptions, and pretending. It rejects evidence. Where is the evidence for the ends of the supply/demand curve?

    1. Paul B has written a book which takes some layers off the Economics discipline – sort of like the Dance of the Seven Veils. So he speaks with prescience (that’s a new sort of science that we are in the process of learning about!)

      Another book about economics – sounds interesting on Amazon as Paul’s doesn’t seem to be – should be a bestseller! https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9049146-the-little-book-of-economics
      The Little Book of Economics: How the Economy Works in the Real World
      Greg Ip
      One positive side-effect of the recent financial market meltdown that toppled giant, century-old institutions and cost millions their jobs is that it created a strong desire among many Americans to better understand how the U.S. economy functions. In The Little Book of Economics , Greg, Ip, one of the country’s most recognized and respected economics journalists, walks readers through how the economy really works. Written for the inquisitive layman who doesn’t want to plow through academic jargon and Greek letters or pore over charts and tables, The Little Book of Economics offers indispensible insight into how the American economy works – or, doesn’t. With engaging and accessible prose, the book A must read for anyone who wants a better grasp of the economy without taking a course in economics , The Little Book of Economics is a unique and engaging look at how the economy works in all its wonderful and treacherous ways.

      1. Thanks Greywarbler, another great book is ‘Doughnut Economics’ by Kate Raworth. Or even easier to read is Rana Foroohar – virtually any book but Makers and Takers is very good about how we got where we are economically today.

    2. Hi Paul+Bieleski, Great insights. But I think you are being too harsh on Keynes. His work has been greatly misunderstood. He changed the entire focus of economics onto the demand side of the economy. It was like Galileo realising the sun was the centre of the solar system. I’ll have more on him later.

  3. ” The recent surge and persistence of inflation was not predicted.”

    Economists, natural philosophers, merchant bankers, kings, rulers, emporers and ordinary citizens have known for thousands of years that printing money or clipping coinage causes inflation. Entirely predicted.

    Trillions quantively eased to create inflation to move real assets to the already wealthy, pay down debt to China and buy war.

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    1. If Alan Greenspan “did not foresee the massive 2008 economic crash” that he “unknowingly helped bring about”, we should be asking why.

      In 1993, Greenspan requested a research paper directly from B.O.J. advisor Richard Werner, which predicted exactly this, in a similar way to Greenspan’s early writings on credit creation.

      At the 1997 I.M.F. Annual Conference, Greenspan angrily dismissed Werner’s paper. However, Werner was later told by Fed insiders that some within the Fed were in fact predicting the exact same thing — and had anticipated the ’09 bailouts. This was partially reported in Japan in 2001, but totally suppressed (under U.S. government pressure) when Werner — the original pioneer of Q.E. — tried reporting it in English in 2003.

  4. Carbon credits are total baloney in my opinion.
    But but we can hold our heads up high because we have the space to plant forests unlike many other countries
    Every time someone clicks on ‘off setting carbon credits’ on the AirNZ site when booking tickets, AirNZ are the winners, they own a forest somewhere.
    STOP flying, especially on overseas holidays, do something about rail.

    Reduce our reliance on agriculture (50% of our emissions), specifically the bloody dairy cows (oh those poor poor farmers), don’t the farmers have children and grandchildren – or do they simply not care how we the privileged lot live and leave the appalling mess to our children et al.

    1. Pine and forests of it in NZ. Fast growing but munchable and decaying-prone without toxic chemicals or expensive treatments that I think compress the wood. We in Nelson have dumped much sawdust impregnated with a bunch of nasty chemicals to build up the sand dunes. Storm weather has exposed it – it will cost possibly $20 mill to clear it and what will be put in its place, and where will it go? Nick Smith now our Mayor and before MP has interest in this because he ushered in dropping applying boron I think to internal housing timber. Stop the pine addiction. Send the pine-pushers packing – there’s a good protest sign!

      The Farm Forestry group have been studying the use of trees for yonks, must have good ideas. And didn’t I read that hearty rimu etc has been felled clandestinely to get timber for actual use where it is profitable and wanted. Pine and hardwoods, less flammable woods interspersed would be the answer. And less likelihood of wipeout from some pest or disease spreading like ‘wildfire’ through the monoculture. (Requiring chemical control from the air – drones, planes.) And pine is readily flammable too isn’t it?

      Farm forestry is a community of people that have been growing trees in New Zealand since 1957. We, as a collective, are the leading researchers of alternative species and support anyone that is keen on getting more trees in the ground.
      NZ Farm Forestry – Home
      nzffa.org.nz
      https://www.nzffa.org.nz

      (These people should be given superior orders of NZ/AO merit. Take the one off that chap who rogered us!)

  5. I think economics has been, is, should be? part of the Humanities. It has never been hard science but has empowered a lot of knowledge that business and government dips into but government not enough, well enough applied and not using all the Humanities subjects in tandem. The leaders, PTB tend to go to a default authoritarian and judgmental position that enables little parts of the humanities (with a small h) to rise like triffids, and lurch across the landscape of our minds. (Could someone make up a song about that – could have a punch.)

    I think we will have to stop concentrating on the hard sciences and bring economic facts to mind, combining with creative ones. Then we can devise ways of surviving the hell we have brought upon ourselves as we have disrupted the ancient forces of our world.

    Country/rural people have said for yonks that townies have a void of ignorance about farming. Then let them live in little groups on farms attending to the waterways and growing their own vegetables and being a stationary workforce when needed. Now that would revitalise the hollowed-out rural hamlets. That would balance van de Molen’s (Windmill) ideas, and Groundswell that he supports.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/374955/what-s-it-like-to-be-young-and-blue

  6. Well, actually, it is a Science – The Science of Common Sense. It is not an ‘exact’ Science’ – it is a social science. Economics is marvelous. It explains everything we do and why we do it. But, pseudo intellectuals and the avaricious of the Right don’t understand it…..it is perfect. We live in ‘societies’ – economic systems. Societies are interdependent. All we really need to know is that excess focus on any specific economic philosophy doesnt work – because humandkind is really really stupid!

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