Dear NZ – we aren’t seriously going to let the Māori Party create a Stasi are we?
The older I get, the more horrified I am at the suggestions made by woke ‘progressives’.
Now before I start, let’s be clear I don’t agree with racism nor do I agree with threatening communications.
I am pro the Maori Party, believe they are a crucial voice in NZ politics and I see the Treaty as the founding document of our nation.
I’m one of the few Pakeha you will find who argues we need an Upper House 50-50 Maori-Pakeha.
I also hunted down and outed an actual online white supremacist who ran an Australian neoNazi website and back in 1997 on TV3 I tracked down West Auckland NeoNazis Unit88.
I also set up the MANA Party, so please, don’t dare attempt to denigrate my following criticism as racist against the Maori Party because fuck you, my record speaks for itself as a supporter of Maori Tino rangatiratanga and Nazi hunting.
But there are philosophical limits to that support and the Maori Party’s terrifying call to found our very own stasi is that limit.
Comrades, I’m a class anarchist leftist, I believe the demarcation line of power in a capitalist democracy is not between a myriad of identities, but between the 1% richest plus their 9% enablers vs the 90% rest of us. I see the State as the crucial structure to empower the many not the few BUT I also acknowledge that the State can be the biggest danger to the individual and as such demands an ever hostile check and balance over those state powers.
That’s why the suggestion by the Maori Party to demand a white supremacist stasi is so terrifying.
Of all the voices to know the dire ramifications of a politicized police force, it should be bloody Maori!
The Maori Party are citing the need for a stasi because 2 racist YouTube clips made them angry and fearful.
These videos were hunted down by woke Twitter activists who cried out a double standard over Police arresting those who threatened Simeon Brown and the slow arrest of a man who threatened the Maori Party. Turns out the arrested man has mental health issues.
The second video saw the man who made political threats against Maori lose his job, which I would have thought was a sure fire way of pushing a person into radicalized racial terrorism.
In the easily triggered world of woke intersectionist grief hierarchy, both videos are hate speech and deserving of cancellation, harassment and prosecution. In the world of actual intelligence analysis these two videos would barely cause a ripple because they wouldn’t have been deemed credible as threats.
A mentally ill loudmouth and bitter truck driving Pom are the least of our terrorism worries.
Now I disagree with Comrade Chris Trotter when he says there is no way to catch a Lone Wolf white supremacist terrorist, what everyone likes to conveniently ignore in the Tarrant case is that the SIS and GCSB did intercept files relating to guerilla warfare tactics, Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and Nowegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik, but because there was no secondary intelligence profile like connecting the geographical area of download with complaints from shooting ranges, Tarrant flew under the radar.
We have the capacity to catch these guys by using the existing powers focused differently, not by importing Orwell’s 1984!
Which brings us to the Maori Party’s gasp inducing demand to set up a secret police force comprised of the SIS and the Police Intelligence Unit to hunt down white supremacists.
If any other political party asked to create a secret police force that hunts for word crimes and thought criminals there would be rioting in the street but because it’s the Maori Party and it’s aimed at something we all hate that’s somehow fine?
We already have the tools to catch and find white supremacist terror threats, what the woke activists believe however is that micro aggressions lead to macro violence so ANYONE who disagrees with them is a potential threat.
Being woke is less a philosophical discourse of objective progressive reasoning and more a faith based religion, like a cult.
And where would this new white supremacy stasi get its information from? Why the same woke Twitter cult currently providing it.
So the Maori Party are talking about wanting a secret police who hunt down political enemies using tips offs from ideological stormtroopers?
What do you all think the right wing will do with a SIS-Police Intelligence Unit that hunts down political enemies once Labour lose the 2031 election (yes I think Jacinda can win the next 2 elections) – are we seriously considering setting up a secret police force to openly hunt political enemies with military grade mass surveillance powers?
What fucking planet are you people on?
This is the worst idea in the world and normally I’d laugh it off, but seeing the steep ascendency of middle class identity politics and their triggered feelings dictating policy and law, I think I’ll cry.
Let me be as clear as I can comrades. Don’t get tricked into creating a stasi simply because the enemy they are being set up to hunt is one you like to hate.
We have the tools to catch genuine threats, the Woke want tools to catch people they don’t like. The only ones licking their fangs in anticipation of the extra funding, powers and expansion of their remit are the SIS.
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“The older I get, the more horrified I am at the suggestions made by woke ‘progressives’.”
To which I will respond by quoting: “If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.”
So you must be a late developer Martyn! LOL
That’s a really dumb piece of propaganda by the Right. Socialism is intellectually sound whether you’re 20, 40 or 60. Only difference is initial idealism, energy, freedom to act, agitate etc lose steam as inevitably you have to get a job/become a cog-in-the-machine, get bills, get a partner, get kids, get a house/mortgage (maybe). Maybe it is true though & Rat-Boy Old-Man-With-Baby-Face Simeon Brown, Simon BRidges and Seymour Skinner et al are heartless, soulless arsehole sociopathic bastards LOL Seem like lots of sociopaths in ACT/Nat ranks.
Totally agree. The Green Party leader and friends’ wholesale demonisation of white New Zealanders post the totally terrible Muslim massacre was chilling and scary enough, but at least those girls were open with their damaging judgmentalism.
“totally terrible Muslim massacre”
It’s true, but the way you put that sounds like you could be writing articles for stuff.
Control denied – No, I do not write and have not written articles for Stuff. I’ve probably understated how I feel about the Mosque murders, and to me, the obscene, and the dishonest, and the socially damaging and opportunistic manner in which they were seized upon for political purposes.
It was also a brutal thing to do to the traumatised and grieving Muslim community.
Snow White: as usual, I completely agree with your comments on the mosque murders.
Awful, awful people, those Green party members.
D’Esterre- Thanks. I like to think that it was not the Green Party per se, but that was when I dumped the Greens after supporting them predating some of their MP’s jumping on their bandwagon – or perhaps even being born.
I doubt they care about the damage that they did, or have even the wit to realise. I have apologised to so many for advising them to vote Green. Blooming Nazis.
Martyn
As always: Be careful for what you wish!
Our Maori have learned the western ways and how to use them very effectively.
This terrifies me. This is currently happening in the Uk where a woman, a mother of 6 hung tsuffragettes ribbons on a fence to voice her support for women’s rights in the context of gender ideology trumping biological sex. She has been arrested and charged with a hate crime, allegedly because the cops are saying the ribbons resemble a noose.
Multiple examples of women being harassed and intimidated eg a university student in the UK who voiced that women have vaginas.
So stating biological facts can lead to activists targeting and harassing you. It’s happening in NZ where two libraries cancelled a feminist groups meeting to discuss the proposed legislation which will allow people to gender self ID. This group isn’t anti trans, they are saying the new legislation intersects with the human rights act where women’s public spaces are protected, such as women’s sports, women’s change rooms.
I am really scared of voicing my opinion in case I am targeted. I have always felt safe to voice my views up till now.
Don’t worry about the Maori parties proposals (although I do). We already ave a situation where people’s thoughts are being policed, perfectly reasonable sciences based thoughts.
Please everybody wake up to what is happening
Anker, thank you for saying it as it is.
I am of the same mind, concerned that the time isn’t too far off, when we will be too afraid to open our mouths for fear of official retribution, as a result of our actions/speech being misinterpreted as crimes of hate, when that was not the intention. Or worse, punishment for looking at someone the wrong way!
Not the road I want to go down in NZ.
Thank-you Martyn for highlighting this. We seem to be being dragged into a very dark ‘rabbit hole’; being justified by ever increasing extreme actions. Trying to establish a legal framework, and an associated policing organisation, that basically sets out to control peoples thinking will inevitably end in a police state. No matter how essential it may seem today, such powers can and will be abused tomorrow.
I am reminded of a quote from (I think) Benjamin Franklin “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Giving more draconian powers to government agents in a time of decreasing government accountability is extremely dangerous.
This unusually truthful article from stuff should open more eyes:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125352433/this-government-promised-to-be-open-and-transparent-but-it-is-an-artfullycrafted-mirage
“ In my 20-year plus time as a journalist, this Government is one of the most thin-skinned and secretive I have experienced. Many of my colleagues say the same.”
“ It’s now very difficult for journalists to get to the heart and the truth of a story. We are up against an army of well-paid spin doctors.”
Less accountability for them, ever more accountability for us.
This is the left in 2021.
Destroying civil rights of the population “for our own good” and deliberately ignoring the warnings of history or the once hard won rights of civilians.
In case it isn’t self evident, the “woke cult” ( and yes they absolutely are) is in government.
Absolutely bang on Bombarino.
I would describe myself as a miserable old bugger leftie.
But my main worry nowadays is how the young lefties (woke?) completely disregard all the learnings achieved by their forebears, usually in blood and tears, and countenance such stupidity as this issue.
If you need to test the water simply substitute any other group for the one mentioned.
For example how would it read if instead of white supremacists it pointed to Maori, or Inuit or sinistrals? Or maybe vegans, or farmers or shopkeepers? How about people who own cats, or people who own dogs?
That would look and sound truly fucking terrible.
This is no different.
You’ve really got to get a grip on history and reality because there are some mighty powerful elements ranged against you.
My guess is that police wouldn’t have cared less about the mental state or history of a poor brown person being arrested, but really why should they. If someone threatens murder then there should be non negotiable consequences, everyone treated the same under the law. Everything else in the public sphere not illegal, including journalism, satire and opinion, should be fair game, no matter how unpalatable.
Fair game = fair play
Ah yes: White privilege. The same privilege that is promoting and enriching Asians and Indians ahead of whites right across the western world, including here in NZ, the USA and UK.
Or could it be that they just pay attention at school and pass their exams?
Andrew: “White privilege. The same privilege that is promoting and enriching Asians and Indians ahead of whites right across the western world, including here in NZ, the USA and UK.”
Nailed it! Just been at UoA engineering graduation ceremony. A family member did a rough-and-ready count of the graduates: around 900, and the shouting majority of them were Asians from various countries in that part of the world. They dominated in the first-class honours category. Also in the Masters and PhDs, I think. Congratulations to them all for their intelligence, hard work and dedication. They richly deserve every accolade they got.
Just another middle-aged white racist woke bullshite comrade in disguise.
Hemi: “Just another middle-aged white racist woke bullshite comrade in disguise.”
Thus spake just another middle-aged brown (presumably) etc… all the insults you’ve flung in the sentence above.
I say again: insults aren’t stand-ins for proper argument, you know. Either contribute meaningfully to the debate in this comment thread, or go find something else to do.
this is not me , someone else is using my name .
Martyn is there a way to get around this ?
but you can shutup anyway D’Esterre you’re always blithering on to cover up for racism .
arsehole .
but here you are with ‘ said insults of your own – back at you hypocrite
babbling on about middle aged and brown etc – how racist you are
ill contribute however i see fit but you need to take your own advice which would mean finding something else to do
dont hide behind my name cunt , use your own
Hemi: thanks for the last few posts from you. They graphically illustrate my point about insults instead of argument.
I must say that the fact the moderator has allowed them through shows a commendable commitment to free speech on this site.
Do you actually have a countervailing argument? If you do, let’s be hearing it.
Hemi, I’d add that this series of insulting posts illustrates why, though I used to comment under my own name, nowadays I use a nom de guerre.
My name is distinctive, and my address is easily found. I have forthright opinions and I don’t recoil from expressing them. It would take a good deal to intimidate me into silence. However: in the days when I used my own name, I was contacted by complete strangers, at least one of whom apparently had a shaky grasp on sanity. I have family members who found that intimidating: they prefer that I use a nom. So I do.
D’Esterre : ” thanks for the last few posts from you. They graphically illustrate my point about insults instead of argument.
I must say that the fact the moderator has allowed them through shows a commendable commitment to free speech on this site.
Do you actually have a countervailing argument? If you do, let’s be hearing it. “
Debbie Packer and Tina Ngata et al, as a member of parliament and state employees, should have gone through standard channels (HRC, Police, Chief censor etc) to confront the video(s) they were offended by. But rather, Debbie retrogressed to activist proclivity and went on a private crusade, started a Change.org petition and wielded the cancel-culture bludgeon to de-job the culprit. The ultimate ad hominem, unbecoming of position.
Ruining another’s reputation is a woman’s poison because it’s weak. Handle it, boy.
Wise words sensei, domo arigato. But reputation and livelihood are two differing things. The methodology was unethical.
ClayR: “But reputation and livelihood are two differing things. The methodology was unethical.”
Exactly. The Maori party should take note.
Where am I blaming Maori? Don’t fuckin call me a hyena either.
ClayR: “Debbie Packer and Tina Ngata et al, as a member of parliament and state employees, should have gone through standard channels….”
I absolutely agree. Parliamentarians in particular have at the least a moral – if not legal – obligation to follow due process. What they did instead is the equivalent of the “flaming torches and pitchforks” tactic. Illuminating and unedifying.
Being threatened that your whole country’s marae would be set on fire is pretty scary. I am surprised at your reaction Martyn.
gin hag: “Being threatened that your whole country’s marae would be set on fire…”
It’s pretty obvious that somebody was frothing: it’s just wild talk. There’s some weird stuff on YouTube, most of which sinks unnoticed.
How many people had actually seen that clip? Or would have known anything about it if the Maori party people hadn’t gone public about it? I certainly knew nothing of it before that.