Ummmm, is Trump about to make Iran far worse?
US carrier strike group is now in the Middle East region, sources say
The USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group is now in the Indian Ocean, putting it closer to assist in any potential US operations targeting Iran, two sources told CNN.
The group is within the area of responsibility of US Central Command, whose purview includes military operations in the Middle East.
CNN
Ok.
Let’s just cut straight to the main issue here.
The appalling Theocracy has killed 6,000 protestors with another 17,000 being investigated.
Those are IDF levels of butchery.
There has to be an International response to such a terrible massacre of civilians because the Iranian people deserve to live in peace like every single human being should.
But to think that response should be military is utterly insane.
The only reason we are dealing with a Theocracy is because of the American CIA coup in the first place!
More military action is NOT the solution, but rationality doesn’t mean much to Trump.
We have seen in every military action he has embarked upon the build up of force before it is unleashed.
He did it with the first Iranian Nuclear Strike, he did it with Venezuela and he is doing it again for the next Iranian strike.
Trump likes hard hitting quick military action that doesn’t involve boots on the ground.
I suspect he will do another bombing run on Iran’s Nuclear Infrastructure alongside some extra targets the Israeli’s have given him.
He will attack and then stand back to see if that helps topple the regime, but he has zero interest in Democracy building, only reconstruction speculation.
The problem of toppling the regime is what comes out of the power vacuum.
A Theocracy is protected by religious zealots who can not be reasoned with.
They will cause unending carnage once triggered.
The refugee tsunami that will crash into Turkey
Iran is 90 million people, it is far larger than Syria, Iraq or Libya. Imploding a nation as huge as this will cause enormous shockwaves through an already destabilised region.
Trump could succeed in unleashing a genocide level schism that mutilates the region for centuries.
“The appalling Theocracy has killed 6000 protestors with another 17 000 being investigated.”
What solid evidence supports the higher casualty figures? Much of it comes from dissident groups or politically polarised sources, and groups on any side of the spectrum — left, right, secular, or religious — often exaggerate for effect.
When the Tiananmen crackdown occurred, many Western commentators spoke of thousands, even ten thousand, deaths. With time, a more nuanced picture has emerged: there was no centrally planned massacre, some soldiers were killed or burned in clashes, and the most credible estimates place the civilian death toll in the hundreds rather than the thousands.
Mark I have lived in China and I understand that you have to say these things if you ever want to get Uncle Liu out of prison and rise higher in the party ranking (unless you are actually the son of a Party member that will not happen).
Everybody talks about Tiananmen.
You know and I know that in 1989 protests took place all over China and the country was immediately closed to outside journalists.
You and I both know that there was total suppression of all dissent. Deaths?
” One death is a tragedy, one million is a statistic, ‘ (Stalin – Mao’s teacher).
You are like those holocaust deniers who argue that not six million people died in Nazi Germany – only one million or something like that so that makes it all right.
The point is that if a government has to gun down its citizens to remain in power it has lost legitimacy.
This was recognised by the Mongolian Communist Party in 1990
‘Batmönkh outwardly opposed the decree, maintaining that they must “under no circumstances resort to using violence” (Mongolian: Хэрхэвч Хүч хэрэглэж болохгүй). Those who were present there later recalled that Batmönkh said, “I will never sign this. We few Mongols have not yet come to the point that we will make each other’s noses bleed,” smacked the table, and left the room.”[29] On 9 March[30] or 15 March 1990,[31] the Politburo was replaced, and on 21 March 1990, Batmönkh announced his resignation.[30]’h.,
(Munkhbayar (13 March 2013). “What was the Mongolian democratic revolution?”. dorgio.mn (in Mongolian).)
Imagine if “Little Deng’ had the courage to do the same?
I’m with Mark, Tiananmen Square wasn’t anything like what we were led to believe. You can disagree with this for sure, but attributing a whole lot of other fairy dust just because the view differs from your understanding serves no useful purpose.
Not sure what you are going on about.
The generally accepted facts are several hundreds may have died during the Tienanmen incident. At the time, outlandish estimates of tens of thousands were bandied about.
Similarly the amount of deaths in the Iran protests is likely to be highly exaggerated. That is the point I am making, nothing else.
So much for not being the world’s policeman and staying out of forever wars.
Time magazine estimated 30,000 with gruesome details to match. At this stage it’s like watching wild animals in a zoo brawl. Stand well back and move quickly and quietly toward the marked exits.
My worry for the World is in an effort to take the attention away from the disaster created by ICE he will start a war with Iran.Thatcher did this in UK with a short war over the Falkland Islands
Well, according to the forever lying mainstream media, the theocracy has killed thousands. The reality is vastly different. Likewise, according to the lying mainstream media, the theocracy is pure evil when it fact, it is as democratic as every other democratic country (not this this actually means much). But the big boss man or men at top are accountable to an elected body underneath and every body thereafter is likewise democratically elected. Again, not that any of this means much when a vote every few years is what qualifies as democracy in most democratic countries.
Otherwise, yes, what is looming for Iran and the rest of the world is very, very scary. If the shite truly hits the fan, the entire world is in big trouble, let alone Iran and the Middle East. Still, the point of all this is to weaken BRICS, allowing US hegemony to soldier on for a little longer.