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  1. Are you surprised by this? Really?

    I watch the News every night just to hear what the enemy is saying

  2. Whether or not media in NZ are impartial, the perception that they’re not is too easy to form given they have taken millions from Labour and agreed to editorial limits and constraints in order to secure the cash. This needs to be accepted as the media will continue to be pilloried and dismissed as long as they are perceived to be in the pocket of Labour.

    Furthermore, is it also possible that we are experiencing the collapse of one form of media as a new forms emerge? Eric Weinstein’s ideas around the Gated Institutional Narrative are pertinent to this debate insofar as the traditional powers that be are losing control of the so called narrative and as they do trust is being lost because the wider population can see that the emperor has no clothes / the wizard is pulling levers.

    I believe traditional media is dying – if this is true, then what follows? The internet has led to disaggregated industries and this is happening in media with the likes of sub stack’s ascendency. Massive juggernaut media conglomerates are no longer needed which has allowed an explosion of alternative ideas and news sources to proliferate. Some good, some less so, but all present new ideas many of which threaten and undermine the existing narrative. It’s this that has so many up in arms for how dare the proles think for themselves.

    Push that further and layer on an ever accelerating level of awareness and understanding of events delivered through the free movement of information and ideas coupled with new forms of currency such as bitcoin and then consider the future of national governments. If the latter cannot take my income by force as they do now through taxation paid by compulsion and threat of jail in conjunction with a deep understanding across a nation or nations that the ‘elite’ all liars, incompetent and as flawed as the rest of us then what?

    Unless the media, the politicians, etc. start to truly act for all people of a nation they’ll be very few nations left.

  3. Generally , the only distrust I have in NZ media, is within the realm of world news.What we see on TV for instance , night after night re Ukraine is an unverified repetition of partisan CNN, BBC style news.We, in 5 Eyes ,toe the line and must be propagandised accordingly.
    Most of Kim Hill’s interviewees when it comes to Russia have been curated to include only the well known anti Russian propagandists.In effect Kim becomes a publicity agent for Russophobic book deals
    LukeHarding, Peter Pomerantsev, Bill Browder and all the rest for gods sake.There is a possibly unintentional bias here.Books written by actual Russian experts are few and far between because there is no profit for more academic and nuanced publications.Therefore we end up with a biased view, propaganda in effect.

    1. Take the last couple days of TV1 news:

      > An article slandering the vaccine mandate protesters by accusing them of believing in ridiculous ‘straw man’ conspiracies. All while ignoring the key point; mandates are in effect a forced medical procedure that is
      a breach of the Nuremburg Declaration.

      > Claiming a single weather event of being due to ‘climate change’ when in fact there is no peer reviewed and published science to show that. It’s just opinion pushing a political narrative

      > Exaggeration of an issue with drinking water in one locality as a softening up exercise for 3 Waters.

      > An article on 3 Waters that deliberately avoids mentioning the 50% Maori representation on the controlling board.

      1. “Enforced procedure”. No it’s not.

        Again to entertain the delusional, why go out of the way to create a climate crisis? What is to be gained politically by telling people and the associated industries behind their lifestyles, that things need to do be done differently? Your conspiracy style position makes no practical sense.

  4. From the media’s own advertising for themselves it appears they are buying into this reality.
    How often do you hear the “…News you can trust” line of self promotion? Like this is some point of differentiation between them and everyone else trying to suck in your eyes and ears to sell in to their advertisers. I take it as a Trust us and not them despite 9 out of 10 times it’s the same flipping message.
    I’m probably a bit of a cynical salt swallower and often only refer to them these days for the rugby scores and weather. And has Fake Weather become a thing yet?

  5. A classic view of academics disdain for the public People don’t trust Establishment media and think journalists have been bought by the government, Ergo people dont understand . There is no attempt to consider whether the public might be right.

    1. What makes you think the media has been bought by the government John? If it has I would be asking for my money back. The news is invariably so f*cling negative, and just one enormous whinge fest, that it defies belief that it’s trying to make the government look good. I guarantee most people will end up voting the current government out and it won’t just be based on their bullshit Facebook feeds. For a good number it will be based on their opinion formed from mainstream media sources.

      1. Media is 90% anti-Labour, hate Jacinda and are promoting NATZ and ACT for government, Why cant Tory Times herald and Tory Talk ZB balance their media platforms with equivalent raving social democrat presenters, writers and journalists who not influenced by the NATZ dirty politics team.

  6. Check out this report and the graph on page 9, which shows that NZers like far-right Facebook pages at a rate four times that of the supposedly hopeless unstable United States, Brexit Britain and trucker-protest Canada: and even twice that of Australia, with its legacy of poisoning the aborigines’ water holes (per capita): https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/NZ-Online-Extremism-Findings-Report.pdf (‘Understanding the New Zealand Online Extremist Ecosystem’ by Milo Comerford, Jakob Guhl and Carl Miller, London, ISD 2021, produced with assistance of NZ Dept of Internal Affairs,). The authors note however that NZ’s potential army of hooligans lacks any organising force and are mostly responding in a purely online sense to stuff they get from overseas. As Chris Trotter would say, we don’t yet have a ‘drummer’ in this country. Not yet.

  7. Anyone who doubts agendas with “news” should watch CNN for a few hours and then do the same with Fox news. One sees a news release as very positive or best overlooked piece of news, while the other reports the same news release as being a disaster that needs to be aired urgently. The Hunter Biden laptop yet another example. Fake news to be ignored or enough to bring down the POTUS.

    In NZ, both TVNZ and Stuff news could easily be renamed “Woke Update”.

    1. But Thinking Man do you think TVNZ being “woke news” is the same as the government buying or controlling the domestic narrative as some people seem to be convinced of? I will admit I watch the news at 6 on one most nights ( well the first 10 mins at least) and I don’t get how people could think it’s doing the incumbent administration any favours whatsoever. Its the same with print media like stuff. I get the woke comments but anything potentially positive has a negative slant. House prices going up sharply bad. House prices turning the corner coming down… you guessed it talk of will it crash etc. it doesn’t seem long ago Ardern knew all about a rape and looked like she would have to resign. Did she pay for that sort of shit?

      These are genuine questions of your opinion by the way, I am not being critical of your comment

  8. In a NZ context we often have opinion masquerading as news and what news we do have is often very one sided.

    If you were to take the Convoy protest as an example Stuff were deriding it as it approached Wellington coverage more or less was about trolls and spotify playlists when they should have been asking why and what if any plans police and politicians had to deal with it. Once underway initial coverage was childish cheering on the speak andnhus sprinklers for example. That lack of balance drives people into the arms of the likes of counter spin.

  9. When the TV news can get so excited and blab on for days speculating about the recent bad behaviour at the Oscars, one wonders if any of their other ‘news’ items are of any importance at all.
    Their time is very limited each evening and this non-event from another country between two spoilt brats was not news. It was sensational to a few when it happened, after that it was a waste of time.

    Sometimes we see on TV news their so called reporters standing in the dark somewhere, could be anywhere, but they assure us they are outside the very place where some event of great moment occurred that day. Who cares? Did they really need to go there and say exactly what has already been said by the news reader in the studio. Or even more uselessly tell us that ‘not much more is known at this point but…’ Where is the in-depth background work which they could have been finding to inform us better about the repercussions or meaning of this event?

    In the face if such pathetic news coverage it’s no wonder the illogical go looking for better information and stumble across the worst information. Their lack of critical thinking skills convinces them that they have discovered something that no one else has figured out yet. ‘Course they feel special and want to share their findings.

    If relatively sensible old twits like me can seriously wonder why we bother looking at any TV news when it is so biased, lacking is educated analysis and poorly presented, is it any wonder others have given up.

    Another thing is, been a problem for decades now, half the population is still at work or sitting on the motorway trying to get home at 6p.m. when the main news bulletins are on TV.
    News has never been a high priority for the TV channels since it was moved from 7.30 pm.
    The young who need good information do not have time or leisure at the right time of day, to listen to RNZ. Podcasts need organizing. Much easier to settle for other people’s mish-mash of opinions with few facts, on social media which they can access at anytime.
    OR just do something more fun!

  10. This research and summary shows a complete lack of introspection and self-reflection as to why mainstream politics, media and elite culture are loosing public trust. It taps into all the usual tropes about what fills the vacuum but not what causes the vacuum in the first place.

    It’s the Hillary Clinton school of ‘not my fault’ and blaming the public

    Glen Greenwald has written extensively subject, his latest piece is here
    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/your-top-priority-is-the-emotional

    Matt Taibbi even wrote a book Hate Inc.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44579900-hate-inc

  11. I think asking about trusting social media generally ignores the users’ preferences for the kind of ideas and reports they see – ie can depend on the social media accounts each person chooses to follow and their ‘friend’ networks.

    On gender identity ideology mainstream media have been extremely biased, following the propaganda from Rainbow organisations and presenting negative comments/smears about gender critical feminist views and organisations. RNZ and Stuff do this all the time.

    They don’t present the views of those of us who are LGB and sometimes T and I(ntersex), who are highly critical of the lines pushed these days by Rainbow organisations (ie they don’t acknowledge biology and science show that sex is either male or female, or very rarely, neither, can be correctly identified in utero and at birth, and cannot be changed). In contrast ‘gender’ is seen by many as being a social construction.

    The mainstream media tend to highlight those trans people who present a positive image and don’t refer to any of the downsides of medically and surgically transitioning. They tend not to focus on those who ID as trans and merely are cross-dressers, or gender non-conforming, and don’t transition medically or surgically. They don’t present the dubious loopholes created by self ID and ‘conversion therapy’ legislation.

    In contrast, mainstream media, including RNZ and TVNZ, have presented endless highly critical reports on the government’s other policies, especially those related to Covid. They seem to shill for both the tourist industry and for the real estate and property investors, while the plight of renters and low income people tend to get secondary consideration.

    At other times, mainstream media can publish some very informative, well-researched articles with fairly balanced accounts for and against some issues.

    1. The lab leak hypothesis, a story once regarded as ‘misinformation propagated by conspiracy theorists’

      “This story is based on more than 100,000 internal EcoHealth Alliance documents obtained by Vanity Fair, as well as interviews with five former staff members and 33 other sources. The documents, most of which predate the pandemic, span a number of years and include budgets, staff and board meeting minutes, and internal emails and reports. While the documents do not tell us where COVID-19 came from, they shed light on the world in which EcoHealth Alliance has operated: one of murky grant agreements, flimsy oversight, and the pursuit of government funds for scientific advancement, in part by pitching research of steeply escalating risk.”

      https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/the-virus-hunting-nonprofit-at-the-center-of-the-lab-leak-controversy

    2. Another point of reference and social media (twitter) suspending Scott Ritter (former UN weapons inspector in Iraq). It’s worth hanging around for Ritter’s full commentary on Bucha at 11mins.
      https://youtu.be/mdm1u0fDy1E?t=665

      The western media narrative is premature.

  12. The author’s premise needs far more examination; ‘mainstream media institutions are at least answerable to professional codes of conduct, official standards of basic accuracy and the legal proscriptions of defamation. Meanwhile, the volume, speed and immediacy of noxious, online traffic overwhelms the slow-moving routines of fact-checking and verification.”

    The real truth is that the state and the media both serve the same purpose – elite interests and narratives. There are official enemies and false binaries created by the media and the state everwhere: Russia, “Anti-vaxxers”, anti-science… this is the fundamental dereliction of responsibility to the truth that then compounds in several situations where the establishment – state and media – are screaming black is white. They have the power of authority and coverage that dwarfs the “conspiracy sites”. Most people I know follow excellent social media thinkers who ask inconvenient questions and provide inconvenient facts. Look at the OPCW Ghouta shambles – the whole western coverage of Syria, or Assange. We have seen over years the entire falsehood of the MSM narrative. Some may be just useful tools, but others are System Pigs knowingly collaborating with deceit. And knoing they will be ok because repat, repeat, repeat.
    Thinking people aren’t concerned about social media because they normally just get exposed to one or two facts or sensible questions that poke holes in this veil of narrative – the fact may be even from their own life! Which puts utter lie to the MSM claim to “we are truth”. Insisting they are truth and not at fault is the biggest problem. Because there is arrogance, elitism, and pure falsehoods woven into the mainstream media narratives. And yet it is those narratives that move pubic opinion and thought. This is why when you have power you should always look to your own actions first rather than “do research” to blame others. Like this article, they do not. This is why thinking people are more concerned with the state of the narrative of power rather than the counternarratives.

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