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  1. So Frank are traditional right wing conservative Republican voters 1%ers, middle class or blue collar? Seems to me a large chunk of Trumps support base (and Sanders) is blue collar, the traditional stronghold of the Democrats, of Labour. So why is the “Left” in USA and UK rejecting Leftist candidates (Sanders and Corbyn with the vote of no confidence)?

    I would hazard to guess that the so called Left i.e what Tariq Ali so eloquently describes as “the extreme centre” cannot percieve that their total alienation of blue collar support has created a vacuum for the likes of Trump to fill.

    To give an example of this think Brexit. My son reliably informed me that low income semi emloyed people in Liverpool where he lives had issues with Poles and Roumanians moving in and depressing wages, adding to job pressure and more on housing health and services. The Labour MPs they see as Oxbridge educated liberals who dismiss these concerns as racism and bigotry. Go into any pub in Anfield or Goodison and they will tell you Labour cares not for them. This is fertile ground for UKIPetc while the Left with its laudable social principles ignores Maslovian reality.

    My point; dont blame Trump. The Left needs to learn from him, get rid of the Clintons and Blairites, reconnect with their real support.

    1. Good points Nick J.

      I’d add that the working class don’t always vote for their economic interests. We see that in every country, including NZ.

      Many people vote for non-economic beliefs and values – such as nationalism and social conservative values. This is the case for many working class Republicans. They will vote for God, guns and making abortion illegal.

      So I think that many working class Republicans would’ve voted for Trump (or any other Republican) even if Sanders had won and the Democrats had a more leftist leader.

      1. Very true Fatty. Its a matter of getting the general mix right. Trump seems to do this with ease. Meanwhileby focussing on his bad bits his opponents fail to spot both their weakness and their opportunity.

  2. Excellent assessment, Frank. So the leadership of the Republican Party can’t be surprised at Trump’s rise in power. Trump embodies every nasty, conservative bigotry the Republicans have promoted.

    I guess it would be like the hierarchy of a left-wing party expressing surprise if a socialist was elected leader. Oh, wait, Cue Corbyn…

    1. I’ve read that Buzzfeed and Trump exemplifies everything that ACT represents, the self-made man not bludging off the state and determined to make something of himself.

      The fact which struck me was there was a lot of antagonism towards Trump because of things outside of his control.

      “Marlene Rathgeb told the Miami Herald in 1986, adding, “The fact that Trump is Jewish and because he’s nouveau riche turns a lot of people off.”

      1. Trump isn’t self-made. I read somewhere that if he had put the money he inherited in the bank he would have made more money than going into business.

        His greatest accomplishment seems to be able to get money out of companies he bankrupts.

  3. It may be argued that Trump appeals to those on the right of the political spectrum in the US, who are sick of being screwed over by neoliberal politics, self-interest lobbyists and Wall Street corporate beggars with Armani suits and those GOPers who cannot bring themselves to vote for a centrist Democrat instead of Trump. Trump galvanises the haters on the right, to stay right, instead of going left.

    The same sentiment exists on the left of the US spectrum, for those who distrust, the Clintonesque successionists because they distrust familial dynasties like the Bush-clan, and those democrats who are also sick of being screwed over by neoliberal politics, self-interest lobbyists and Wall Street corporate beggars with Armani suits. The democrats cannot bring themselves to vote for a Republican moderate right-wing candidate, because there are none. Bernie galvanised the malcontents of the left.

    However, to fully grind Trump and the GOP under their heels for the next 8 years, Hillary would have to appoint Bernie as her VP. That would ensure that a true unified democratic alliance would exist to extinguish the GOP from the face of US politics for the foreseeable future, if not forever.

    Let the same happen here in New Zealand next year, that Trump, Bernie and Brexit have hinted at – the demise of neoliberal politics, corporate welfare, tax cheats, corrupt lobbyists and greedy bankers. Did I mention inequality, sneering contempt for those at the bottom and selective racism? Nope.

  4. And now we hear Trump is planning to pander to the religious nuts in republican party by encouraging the mixing religion and politics. So what now for the secular society if this idiot beomes PotUS?
    The USA is fucked.

    1. I concur, Rae. I heard a segment of his speech on Radio NZ’s ‘Checkpoint’. He was ranting. I almost expected him to blurt out that “Poland has always been part of Greater Amerika!!”

      We are seeing history repeat. We can now experience a glimpse of how Adolf Hitler mesmerised (some of) his people through the democratic process.

    2. “The USA is fucked” – is putting it mildly, Rae. I don’t think we’ve seen this kind of demogoguery since the rise of fascism in the 1930s.

      What kind of society is it that thinks that a man like Fuhrer Trump is a solution??

  5. The terms left and right are moribund and already disappearing into vortex of history. One is either globalist or nationalist. Nationalist are those who reject all forms of Marxism including the Frankfurt school and all demonic Zionist promoted intellectual political, economic and cultural theories which have for over a century played like gamefish the intellectual dupes of both the left and the right.
    Humanity can do without the wars, destruction and blather but it can’t survive without the sun and the moon and on a dead planet.

    https://smashculturalmarxism.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/the-frankfurt-school-western-subversion-by-design/?preview=true

    1. Speaking of demoagoguery, here’s one quote from the article linked by ArchonBlatter:

      “That same year, when he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in that short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun government in Hungary, one of Lukacs’s first acts was to introduce sex education into Hungary’s public schools. He knew that if he could destroy the West’s traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying Western culture itself. (More on that later)”

      The ultraconservative paranoia speaks for itself. Then there’s this quote from another article on the same site:

      “Another example would be multiculturalism, they support it because they feel safer in multiracial, multicultural societies and they support it because they have an historic animosity and revengeful attitude against white Christian Europe and the West due to centuries of conflict in which they want you to believe that they were the victims of Christian ‘anti-semitism’ just because they were Jews. They would never accept or consider Jewish behaviour as a motivating factor.”
      https://smashculturalmarxism.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/oswald-mosley-against-jewish-behaviour/

      You’re free to hold and express your opinions, but attempting to back them up with cryptofascist garbage like this does little to bolster your credibility.

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