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  1. When is David going to sit down with Maori and talk about why he wants to wipe out their rights .Also why does he think he is the person representing the King who really is the other party to the treaty not David or luxon.The government is not the crown that is why we have a Governor General who represents the king here in NZ .
    So first the conversation should be between the King and Maori .When they have had their conversation and come to an agreement the King should instruct the Governor General on how to instruct the government in how to move in the future .As a party to the treaty Maori should have a major input as they were by far the biggest population at the time .There were only a few thousand English here at that time .

    1. The way to think about what is going is that David is not acting in good faith – the Treaty Bill is a slight of hand. It’s intention is not to initiate a genuine discussion about Māori rights and the Treaty – the intention is create noise and disruption that will polarize the electorate. That polarization around the Treaty Bill – even when it’s voted down – will be milked and leveraged all the way up to the 2026 election. And not just by Act – the Treaty Bill is the first shot in what is going to be ongoing war.
      We will need resilience and the ability to almost ignore Seymour because he is taunting and goading for a reaction. Reacting implies that Seymour sets the agenda (as the right so often do) and we respond to his agenda and not our own.
      The best outcome for Seymour would be a relentless 6 month culture war played out on all media platforms across NZ. Somehow we have to avoid that because David Seymour made the sandpit and we don’t have to play in it – it’s fall of shit.

  2. Seymour doesnt need a majority. Fascists work with a minority organised into storm troops. The Maaori minority will need to prepare for this assault.

  3. We have a huge problem with this clown . Māori can see it sadly the racists can’t. These racists would have been very disappointed with the massive peaceful protest unfortunately we may not be so lucky next time . David Seymour is causing a divide we may never truly recover from .

  4. People live in a world of constant anxiety and crave simple solutions..
    People are told that their problems are caused by “them” the bad people.
    The answer is to destroy “them” and you will be happy.
    Every society has the “them” minority who are to blame for everything.
    In this country the “Them” have always been us the Maori”
    The alternative is for White people to blame themselves for their problems.
    But the White majority are having none of that.
    No White Political party and no White media outlet has the guts
    to blame White people for White problems.
    Political suicide and death to the business would follow.
    So the Whites need a convenient minority to blame.
    And we the Maori fit the bill perfectly for the Whites.
    As long as Maori blaming keeps National NZF and ACT in power
    and keeps White media alive nothing will ever change.

  5. Excellent article combining the personal and social with such clarity. My strongest reaction to anything to do with Seymour and the Treaty Bill is to avoid it – not read the article and not listen to the discussion. Like the articles author realizing there is no point in spending energy on people in his family who are bad faith. Just like Seymour and Luxon – I don’t believe there intentions align with what they are saying.
    In some ways a complete boycott of the Treaty Bill might be a good approach – the opposition should vacate parliament in protest any time the bill is discussed in the house. And all submission should be protest submissions of some sort.

  6. Racism works both ways.Colour never interested me as to how I reacted to someone. Those whi talk for the TPM do not upset me by their colour but their feeling of superiority does.

    1. Their feeling of superiority?
      Look in the mirror and you will see the smug arrogance of National, ACT and NZ First and how they ram road through policy that is in the best interests of their donors. That’s superiority.

    2. The English feel they are superior as per their version of the treaty. NACT and NZ First, like you feel they are vastly superior to those natives.
      Read and learn.

  7. Back in 60 / 70s Chch there were no Maoris, they were only in casual racist jokes and casual racist attitudes. I’m sad to report from a provincial north town that that attitude is alive and well. I judge that on comments made to me about the hikoi by people I know or heard during it’s passage through my town. It’s so freaking depressing.

  8. The ToW ‘principles’ I grew to know – more accurately became part of my worldview – were quite straightforward and seemed to me not to be controversial: partnership, participation and protection. Partnership meant working together to achieve appropriate outcomes; participation meant acting in good faith; protection referred to responsibility and safeguarding relationships. I was of the opinion they were a sound / fair / equitable way of doing things – even if it took a few extra steps along the way. For sure, they are rather broad principles – but IMV do a pretty good job of underpinning the relationship between the Government and Māori under the ToW, and provide a guideline in working not only with iwi and hapu but other parties that may be adversely affected by actions and decision-making.

    I haven’t seem much reference to the 3 Ps, on either side of the argument. I did hear Seymour say that the current state of affairs is an impediment to business-as-usual – as he would – and in much SM comment, criticism of the legal and bureaucratic gravy-train associated with the current interpretation of ToW, presumably, with the recognition of partnership, participation and protection. To be fair those against the TPB do touch on the demise of partnership, participation and protection, as it currently stands, but it seems that noone directly refers to these as EXISTING principles. The 3 Ps are invisible.

    There seems then to be principles and principles. When I look at Seymour’s three principles that underpin the TPB I can’t recognize the three principles I knew. Are they even the same things? Clearly not. How fucking confusing is that! And if I am a bit confused there will will tens of thousands more. But who among those tens of thousands are in fact consciously aware of the 3 Ps anyway? But if the critics of the TPD are on the money, Seymour’s revised principles appear to undermine the principles of partnership, participation and protection. That seems to be the intention. Am I right?

    And while on the topic can someone please rewrite the three principles of TPB into PLAIN English. Ok granted, for the sake of law they need to expressed in a language that most of us are not all that familiar with. Seymour says he wants transparency and discussion. Well, a good start would be to revise the legalese terminology and put three principles into plain old English that everyone understands. That’s the way to get people engaged. Not be talking down to folk in a language that is the domain of the legal profession and bureaucrats. Written in plain English we ordinary folk can judge what they really mean.

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