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  1. Yes. And the most crucial thing is the awful impact which this shallow trivialising of life-changing circs into being misogynistic or racist issues, is having on our children who hold the future in their hands, and who are the future, and who have had zilch choice in what is thrust upon them. Central government is just as bad as the loopy WCC identity politicians and the Greens and Labour incubated much of it.

  2. I am no fan of Tory Whanau but I don’t think that Ben McNulty, Nureddin Abdurahman, and Nīkau Wi Neera have any great claim to working for the people of Wellington either.

    That city council is infected with people who see it as a stepping stone to central government so will chase the agendas of their chosen political party rather then giving a damn about those that live here.

  3. Notable that to this point green and Labour affiliated council members had voted as a bloc on issues -representing party over rate payers who voted for them.
    Official party affiliation should not be allowed in local councils.

    1. Agreed. I expect my local councillor to assess everything on a case by case basis and vote accordingly – and in my local council that’s roughly what happens – there are so many issues at local body level where there is no need to bring political ideology to the table I find it absurd that it happens at all – but then my council is relatively small and powerless compared to Wellington

  4. Tory has been a disappointment alright. It happens in Local Govt. around the country–elected Councillors often cave in to the long time staffers–Engineers, Admins, Finance and the business lobby rather than standing by their original kaupapa. Elected members have to be firm with staff, “thanks for the advice but we will be doing this…”

    Tory may have been leaned on too “do our bidding or we will dump more shit on you…” and she may just not have the ability to fight.

    You have some class understanding or you do not when it comes down to it. People like Bruce Jesson and Mike Lee at Auckland Council before Supercity did–when you say don’t sell the assets–then don’t bloody sell them.

  5. Marama and the Greens may have misstepped politicising her unfortunate cancer as something apparently disproportionately affecting specific ethnicities and been better advised raising the issue directly with God.

  6. I am a class leftist focused on Economic Justice, not Social Justice.

    Do you really think the two are mutually exclusive?

    Economic justice leads to social justice – not necessarily the other way. But the two are highly interactive, which is why I am such a supporter of Universal Basic Income (UBI). I am also painfully aware that the conservative (and to a lesser degree, liberal) right are strongly against ANY form of benefit or income/wealth redistribution because it goes against their concepts of social and economic justice – but it doesn’t mean that the idea is bunk.

    But you are right that woke thinking is also anti-right because the holds the ringpieces to account for their many and varied injustices against the silent majority.

    1. Yes, it is not either or. Class left focused economic justice is primary though in my and many others view.

      Any class left activists worthy of the name supports other oppressed groups within the working class, while not losing sight of the main enemy–Capital and Finance Capital.

      Martyn’s 3 tiers are a good analysis. 90%/9%/1%. There are sub categories of course in the 90% from lumpen proletariat to upper middle class etc. but it is pretty obvious who is who if you check out the money. The bottom 50% in this country have barely 5% of the wealth.

      1. Tiger – just thought I’d pop in and say I’m out of here. Tired of being censored, particularly when I respectfully and moderately point out the flaws in Bradbury’s bonnet bees. Doubt if this will get through either, but I’m not going to Trotter’s blog to do this – yet.

        1. Good luck surgeon. I don’t seem to get censored here for content, just my early morning posts generally don’t appear until the late afternoon unlike most others, they are time tagged so you can see it.

          Chris Trotter has comprehensively “jumped the shark” unfortunately, so use your time for something more interesting. Paul Buchanan’s Kiwi Politico is pretty straight up, even if more of an academic forum.

    2. I would agree to this;
      Economic justice leads to social justice – not necessarily the other way.

  7. I would agree to this;
    Economic justice leads to social justice – not the other way.

  8. Mayor Tory Whanau and her defenders are a joke that just keep on giving.

    It will be interesting to see how much damage her antics and poor leadership will have on future Green/left support.

    As for the class war, the focus should be on helping all low to middle income earners and not just the ones with dependent kids .

  9. Yes Tiger, the ‘ long term’ staffers run council’s.
    At least the WTNG Mayor has had a good time networking in the Wellington hospitality scene. Doing her bit for the local economy.

  10. If Kim is looking for a target to test one of his new nukes, we could offer him Wellington.

    1. Andrew. How about naming the hamlet which you inhabit so we can all do our best to make sure that you’re not a target for anything untoward.

  11. We need Dharleen Tana back ASAP to right the wobbly Green ship which has been outed for it’s woke sanctimonious hypocracy…while ruining businesses by getting rid of parking for empty bikelanes they were simultaneously angling for private close carparks for Greentard lefty luvvy MPs

  12. Is it misogynistic to point out that the 1990’s huge jump in poverty was caused by Ruth Richardson showing how tough she was to break a glass ceiling?

    1. No. But Ruth soiled the whole concept of motherhood by proclaiming it the Mother of all Budgets, while strutting around like a pugnacious dwarfish brain-damaged boxer, IMHO.

    2. No and the current incarnation is a fuck site worse .Watch that white poverty level ramp up over the next two years .The Maori rate wont get much worse because the poor buggers are already well and truly fucked over .

  13. I wouldn’t vote for Tory Whanau. Her three predecessors were just as bad. The Absolutely Delusionaly Council has failed to charge the appropriate rates for many years. Whanau is truly hopeless but her predecessors for at least 15 years were no better or worse. Wellingtonians (so intellectually superior and wonderful) deserve what they have consistently voted for.

  14. The real problem with the left is shown by this, and the speed limit thread, getting twice as many comments than the Waatea news column.

  15. wokeness is anathema to conservatism and I whole heartedly support it. identity politics runs in parallel to challenging the status quo. if you’re prepared to be sidelined for your identity, what hope do you have of taking any part in justice.

  16. I think we’re conflating here – these people aren’t left, let alone Tory Whanau. Like her name suggests, they’re captured by the status quo and support “pet” injustices for effect. 100% Bomber, where are all the radicals?

  17. Tory Whanau is about as progressive as a slug after eating Yates Blitzem. Why do we keep saying they are on the left? Is that because we’re living in a capitalist system that is so far right, that any thought for others is labeled communist? It’s all fucked.

  18. the fossil fueled boom is starting to wane – sound familiar?

    A larger population created a greater demand for food and consumer goods. The discovery of new gold mines in Brazil had led to a general rise in prices throughout the West from about 1730, indicating a prosperous economic situation. From about 1770, this trend slackened, and economic crises, provoking alarm and even revolt, became frequent. Arguments for social reform began to be advanced. The philosophes—intellectuals whose writings inspired these arguments—were certainly influenced by 17th-century theorists such as René Descartes, Benedict de Spinoza and John Locke, but they came to very different conclusions about political, social, and economic matters. A revolution seemed necessary to apply the ideas of Montesquieu, Voltaire, or Jean-Jacques Rousseau. This Enlightenment was spread among the educated classes by the many “societies of thought” that were founded at that time: masonic lodges, agricultural societies, and reading rooms.

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