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  1. I’m no expert in race relations but I am born and breed here and knowing Maori culture from this perspective, I would say the PM should definitely go to Waitangi if invited. To go somewhere else would be an insult, full stop. Also the PM should respect the customs and ways of the hosts however different and do not try and dictate protocol in any way. All non Maori don’t have the cultural right to make this type of change especially on a Marae. That’s my pakeha view no offence intended.

    1. It is for the women of Ngapuhi to assert themselves, as women have done and will do everywhere.

  2. Nah. The ground must be made neutral to tell our stories and discuss our differences not some tic for tac whinge.

    The Treaty isn’t apart of petty domestic policy it’s apart of international law so Ngaguhi just have to come up and develop its own foreign affairs. There protocols or tikanga just has to evolve to reflect the fact that a tribe a hundred or so thousand has to compete I’m an international forum that contains 8 billion people.

    Nga Puhi and maori in general wantbto reject democracy and capitalism? Yup l, well, y’all made your bed. Now sleep in it. Y’all now have to compete as individual tribes. Yawn.

    1. Good question Peter. I believe protocols must change as societies knowledge and hopefully understanding and wisdom increase IE Women getting the vote, gay rights, etc. But in this case I believe it is up to Ngāpuhi to decide when to move forward on this. Fortunately Labour have several male ministers who could easily represent the PM; but it would also be sad if Ngāpuhi denied themselves the opportunity to hear directly from her.

      1. It doesn’t mater who the PM is, this is an opportunity for Nga Puhi to speak on equal terms they just have to come upto the mark quick smart.

  3. Since the PM has got nothing to say that is worth listening to -all propaganda, fabrications and outright lies- Maoridom would be wise to silence her.

    The same for any of the other clowns and saboteurs that inhabit parliament.

    “It’s time to take climate change seriously.” Climate change is this generation’s nuclear-free moment.”

    “We need growth and development.”

    “Sorry, there’s no money for children’s health or public dentistry, we spent it all on Americas Cup.”

  4. Chris that’s the wrong question. You looking at it from the colonialist point of view expecting others to change how they have done things for hundreds of years to suit your perspective. Expecting changes to happen because of democracy (we have more numbers than you) is using the colonialists tools of immigration and democracy as a weapon to denigrate the stiff necked Nga Puhi.

    Maybe you should ask “Do we have the right to demand another cultures change how they do things? We dont like it when Maori ask Pakeha to change how they do things so why is it OK for Pakeha to demand Maori change.

  5. Women were second class citizens in most countries for centuries but times change and now in most they are seen as equal.
    Why is it ok for Maoridom not to change with the times .

  6. I remember, with a lot of affection and some amusement, us pakeha being dragged, some kicking and screaming, by (now) Dame Hinewehi Mohi to sing the National Anthem in Maori. Her bravery led the way to what is now embraced by us all and makes us stronger. Is this something for Ngapuhi to consider?

  7. To think that what the PM (male or female) has to say on the marae is so important that it has to be heard on the marae first is silly. Im sure all topics have been covered in the general media and the internet so speaking on the marae is a publicity stunt.

    This is a form of racism belittling another cultures practices for a publicity stunt. What has pakeha culture been asked to sacrifice to accommodate Maori. One country one people but by your rules is not working.

  8. In a society that is seeing an ever-increasing diversity of gender assuming their rightful places within it, including in positions of authority, isn’t it time to consider that some roles, especially those to which someone is elected, transcend gender. Laying aside what Ngapuhi’s attitude will be to the new Governor General, who is both female and Maori, and who speaks for the Queen, what will it be when, inevitably, we have a transgender PM, or one who otherwise defines his or her gender status? If we are sincere in affirming the equal rights of everyone, regardless of their gender, then isn’t this discussion a little shallow?

    1. Well I for.one try to be fair when I see crazy shit like sometimes I’m like we’ll is John Key or Jacinda for real on what ever topic kiwi build or merh testing or what ever. But I guess you can hopefully appreciate when there’s a false claim and then once that’s clarified yknow like what you just talked about when maori can assume the role of the coloniser or assuming a different biological gender. I don’t have an issue with the analysis I have a problem with the underlying accusations that this or that person should leas because they might commit suicide or what ever populous role. So in this instance when I talk about this issue of the disadvantaged or equalising human rights then we will have a certain set of traits / characteristics that does make them predisposed to running a nation and it will be overwhelmingly obvious that they have the right stuff to win an election and become Prime Minister.

  9. ‘Ka pu te ruha’ ‘ka hao te rangatahi’ The old net is worn out and the new net goes fishing.
    Maori feminism is the new net.
    First of all this stuff about women not being able to talk on the marae as ‘age-old Maori custom’.
    Take a look at Gilfinnan’s paintings in the 1850s and in the Whanganui area you see a woman leading a haka. My mother who was bought up in Mokau by her Taranaki relatives told me a rich history of wahine toa who took leadership roles who spoke on marae, handled weapons and navigated.
    All right this tikanga belongs to Ngapuhi – so did cannibalism and slavery once upon a time.
    Culture is not set in stone and it responds to public need.

  10. Who should speak? The Maori should speak UP! I do not care about gender, or who raises this. The Maori of this country will be totally outnumbered by new arrivals of colour by 2025. BY DESIGN.
    Call me a racist all you want for knowing how to math.
    So good luck with that, and where has the rich, fat Maori party been while they are being out bred by other of colour, oh yeah, shaking hands, greasing palms, so good luck with that. People who consider themselves allies with Maori are old fashioned, generational New Zealanders ( not just whites some Chinese and others) who will all be dead soon, so good luck with virtue singling and trying to convince new foreigners the importance of heritage and language. Maori will be as dead as the old fashioned that identified with them, a relic- how sad..
    Only destined, like the poor Native Americans, to line up at the airport with dances for new arrivals and the rich – perhaps that should be their preferred role, right? I do not think so, but that is just me and my opinion.

    1. Tribalism can not produce a female maori Prime Minister, hopefully for obvious reasons but Capitalism can.

  11. So is an invitation extended to the PM to attend the Marae event,? or is she automatically part of it as it is the official NZ Waitangi celebration?
    Assuming an invitation is extended, how could the PM be invited to the event commemorating the establishment of her own nation without being allowed to speak? It would deny her position as our head of state.
    If she were not to be invited to speak it cannot be the venue for that commemoration.
    If she is not expected to speak she should not be there.
    D J S

    1. The PM is not the head of State- that’s the Queen and representing her in her absence- the Governers General. Although many of the speculations on the PMs right to speak also currently apply to the GG. Whom lets face it is actually more relevant to Waitangi day.

  12. Actually Western white culture/tradition/historical norms was women didn’t get to talk – go back and see – women’s lib is not that old folks.

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