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  1. Anybody with a drivers licence can collect someone and drop them off. If the driver wants to charge the passenger, they should be allowed to make such agreements and advertise.

    If somebody wants to call themselves a ‘taxi service’, they should meet the requirements, such as having a camera, displaying ID, industry code of conduct, etc. If people choose not to meet such requirements to hold a ‘taxi license,’ they should still be free to call themselves Uber Drivers or whatever.

    Those who hold a basic drivers license are allowed to drive their friends around, so let them drive people round for a profit! The consumer gets to choose. They can go with a taxi company where they feel comfortable cars will have a current WOF & REG, criminal record checks are done, cameras installed, etc … or they can choose to pay someone who is not a registered taxi and will not film them, will charge them better rates, who will keep profits in NZ, will give them their personal number, etc

    Don’t get me wrong, people shouldn’t be driving others, let alone themselves around without a REG & WOF and holding a full NZ Drivers Licence for passengers. If I started charging people for a cup of coffee and a chat, if successful I might make regular income. Should such a person be forced to register as a restaurant and obtain a masters in psychology?

    The current taxi industry is just a racket and fast going the way of the farrier.

    1. The consumer gets to choose.

      Zack, it’s not always about “consumer choice”. Not all “choices” have positive outcomes.

      Some, like weekend trading took away working conditions and reduced wages for retail workers.

      So “choice” for some comes at a cost to others.

      1. You use the word “choice” Frank – I’d use the word “freedom”. When somebody is issued a Full NZ Drivers Licence, they have stratified the NZ Government they can safely drive on our roads and carry passengers. As such, drivers should have the freedom to charge for an activity they are licensed to do, i.e. giving people rides.

        Truck drivers are allowed to charge for their services once the government is satisfied they can drive a truck. I simply don’t buy into your unforeseen consequences argument. We already have The Consumer Guarantees Act, WOF and REG, tax law, etc.

        By your reckoning, sex workers should only be employed through a brothel and therefore always be beholden to a pimp/madam who rents them out.

        The taxi companies here in Christchurch haven’t been fit for purpose for a long time. What people forget when it comes to regulation, is to regulate! In the beginning legislation around taxi services was probably wonderful. Over time the understanding of legal obligations, cars and technology has become ubiquitous. Conventional taxis have become less relevant.

        On a mobile app you can see available drivers straight away, call them straight away, get a price straight away, make payment straight away, etc. Regulators are forcing us to call landline numbers, wait on hold, be hung up on, give all our details manually, wait for an available taxi, wonder when the taxi will turn up, forced to listen out for the taxi, be made subject to meters, have no choice in which driver you get, etc, etc

        Sorry, it’s 2016! The awful thing is, there is a high possibility somebody offering say … $10 rides through Facebook and who will text/call when they’re outside your house … well, that worker/entrepreneur would probably be charged by the police.

        I’m not crying a river for taxi drivers using outdated and over regulated business models. I’m happy entrepreneur can use business models like Uber to put food in their mouth!

        1. Zack, your vision of “freedom” is someone elses’ lost job or reduced wages or clawed-back conditions. We’ve heard it all before from the Nats and ACT, and their promises are like smoke.

          The Consumer Guarantees Act may protect “consumers”, but it does nothing for the workers who are impacted by your laissez-faire theories.

          Re your example of truck drivers. Once upon a time they were protected by the Drivers’ Union. Good wages and conditions. Safety.

          Now, it’s a free market with low wages, poor conditions (and even those are flouted) and worsening safety. Even former ACT MP, Ken Shirley seemed to realise the folly of de-regulation when he recently lamented;

          Jim Mora: “So, it’s a…what, is it a hiring of drivers problem, hiring the wrong drivers, or is it a keeping-costs down problem, Ken? What do you think?”

          Ken Shirley: “Well, the two are related of course. We have a chronic shortage of H5 drivers in New Zealand. That’s the heavy combination driver, the truck and trailer. It’s a global problem, but it’s particularly severe in New Zealand at this time. We’ve had it for many years, but with the activity in the economy now, that we are currently having, there is a chronic shortage of drivers.

          Many of our members throughout the country are just saying they simply cannot get drivers. And I guess inevitably, you can, in that situation, such a tight situation, out of desperation, you can perhaps hire someone who’s not as skilled as you would like or need, out of sheer necessity. But at the end of the day, there’s no excuse. This should not be happening. We’re taking it very seriously.

          […]

          Jim Mora: “It does seem though, with the wage rates that we see talked about, that you might not be getting the optimum recruits for the job? Is that a fair criticism, or not?”

          Ken Shirley: “Well we know that the skilled labour market across the economy, whether it’s a diesel mechanic, a skilled driver, all of of those industries are, are, reporting severe chronic shortages. And because they are so highly skilled, reliant on a high level of, of, of, experience, when there is a chronic shortage, there is a temptation to often, out of desperation [to] take what you can get. And, and, that’s, that’s when you start to get into issues that like we are seeing and that’s when you start introducing potential road safety problems.”

          Jim Mora: “I understand, but would you solve your chronic shortage if you paid higher wage rates?”

          Ken Shirley: “Well, indeed, and all the members I speak to want to, but there’s been a race to the bottom, it’s –

          [panelist scoffing (?) noise]

          … such a fiercely competive industry…”

          Ken Shirley was speaking on behalf of the employers group, the Road Transport Forum.

          ref: https://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/foot-in-mouth-award-former-act-mp-exposes-flaw-in-free-market-system/

          So your example is flawed.

          1. Frank, I know plenty of truck drivers and they all earn $1000 or more per week. The lady who earns $1000 works 9-5 on weekdays around Canterbury. Another friend drives up and down the South Island. He’s from Australia so it sounds like deregulation has enabled him to have a job. I’m not an expert but I’m sure trucking deregulation made it easier to be self employed – is that a clawing back of conditions!

            I’ve thought about becoming an Uber Driver in my spare time. The working conditions would be great. Flexible hours, no mentally ill bosses, freedom to choose your clothing, etc. I’m not seeing any clawing back of conditions!

            Who would you rather hire Frank, Jo who’s just been berated by his boss for half a hour, is overtired from being forced to work a dabble shift and is a Muslim who disapproves of your western ways (it has happened, no discrimination intended) OR would you rather someone who has just had dinner, logged in Uber and feels like driving people around … oh and will furnish you with roses chocolates … oh and text when they’re outside … oh and have SD cards full of categorized music, etc, etc …

            Conditions for everybody sound so terrible! This isn’t about a left or right wing ideology Frank, this is about good old fashioned anarchism – the kind that made America great once. This is about taking the power from big taxi companies, even Uber, then giving it back to the-little-guy who already owns the means of production (their car and license).

          2. The race to the bottom was and is so predictable. That bozo’s like Ken Shirley are admitting this, finally and begrudgingly, really says it’s gone to far.

            The problem is currently been masked by Nationals unofficial immigration policy, cheap labour from third world countries who have the carrot of residency dangled in front of them, in return for their meagre pay and poor conditions. I know, I’ve seen it.

            They hang on, get residency, then head off to Aussie or at least join the churn of workers wanting better than just naked exploitation.

            Our governments constant short-term thinking to maximise returns to investors is lowering the standard of living in this country incrementally day by day.

          3. I agree XRAY, that’s why I’m for it being easier for taxi drivers to be self employed.

            If such an owner-operator offers a good service, they can build a customer base, work as many/few hours as they want, choose their own working conditions.

            Huge ACC levies, mileage taxes, camera install costs, specialized accountancy fees, etc drive owner-operators out of the market. Then workers often get left subjected to companies who pay low wages.

            For example, the last thing the Housing Crisis needs is more restrictive regulation. Having urban limits in place has been the ‘land banker’s’ wet dream. I’ve spoken to plumbers, painters, builders and they all say regulation is forcing them to buy inferior products, at TWICE the price of products which are far better! Regulation run amok!

            The health and safety of workers is more important than the end product/service, but both can easily have great results. We need regulation that enables people to work.

            Hundreds of thousands of Kiwis are excluded from professions and licenses due to criminal (minor/major) convictions. Even more Kiwis are unable to start their own business ventures due to costly regulations and other exclusionary criteria.

            NZ embraced capitalism, all be it crony capitalism a long time ago. For capitalism to work … you need capital, aka money to invest. Banks, the government, charities, pretty much nobody wants to lend to entrepreneurs. Combine this with low interest rates and high living costs … well, savers are having their capital investment ability eaten way.

            When I’ve driven around poorer suburbs in Christchurch, I’ve noticed people have never looked so poor. They are using shopping trolleys for their belongings, wearing rages, looking very sick – they have nothing! But wait, what’s that – young men are washing car windows at Linwood (poor ChCh suburb) intersections! Better change the Christchurch City bylaws and have these youth charged and carried away!

      2. Good news (for now) from the UK….
        “Landmark employment tribunal ruling states firm must also pay drivers national living wage and holiday pay with huge implications for gig economy”

        “Employment experts said other firms with large self-employed workforces could now face scrutiny of their working practices and the UK’s biggest union, Unite, announced it was setting up a new unit to pursue cases of bogus self-employment.”

        We need this sort of action here. We may not have Zero Hours, but when jobs are called gigs, but your not in Metallica…well its not good.

        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/uber-uk-tribunal-self-employed-status

  2. This is to cater to all the new immigrants flooding into the country as taxi driving is often the path to having employment. It will put pressure of those already driving taxis. National is creating one hell of a mess in more ways than one.

  3. Passenger service drivers do not have to sit a practical driving test in the last 5 years. They do have to pass a basic medical test every five years ( eyes, urine for diabetes etc)

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